Eutener: Abortion is anti-"sacrament", apply to False Prophet

[spauline]

I thought this was interesting: Father Eutener's (of a major pro-life organization) main message recently spoke of how some witches consider abortion a "sacrament." Well, once again, I just love it when ECF ideology comes to the forefront. I read that JPII unearthed that Tertullian taught the devil plagairizes the sacraments, like takes em and twists them into evil counterparts.

For me, this only serves to reinforce my speculation that in the ultimate sense, the "false prophet" in the apocalypse is a theological metaphor for the ultimate plagairization of God's goodness. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, this Christian world is filled with stupidity. The Fundamentalist futurists think the false prophet is exclusively the "big literal guy" at the end of the world who will, supposedly, herald the coming of the literal big guy antichrist. And of course, the typical liberals, including most modern and even otherwise orthodox Catholics, just wave their hands and say, well the false prophet was "nothing more" than the pagan Roman priests who literally encouraged emperor worship. Now is it possible there are deeper layers than these typical extremes?

Has God given us garbage or has He given us meaning? So then, why wouldn't the false prophet be an image of the ultimate mystical anti-sacramentality, the spiritual embodiment of the essence of the dragon's lies back in Genesis.

for again, it seems an intrinsically predestined and necessary thing that heretics must lose, ipso facto, five sacraments, and retain only two, Baptism and Marriage, and if we theologically analyze the allegorical statements of the serpent in Genesis, they very much correlate well with what can truly be called the total antithesis of the remaining sacraments in heresy.

For more info, I expand here: The False Logos (http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-7HJjW9kieKlaV2usQKhFiwefjXc-?cq=1&p=122)

[Zguy28]

I thought this was interesting: Father Eutener's (of a major pro-life organization) main message recently spoke of how some witches consider abortion a "sacrament." Well, once again, I just love it when ECF ideology comes to the forefront. I read that JPII unearthed that Tertullian taught the devil plagairizes the sacraments, like takes em and twists them into evil counterparts. Was that before or after he became a Montanist? And I can't tell if you are being sarcastic about the ECF's or serious.

For me, this only serves to reinforce my speculation that in the ultimate sense, the "false prophet" in the apocalypse is a theological metaphor for the ultimate plagairization of God's goodness. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, this Christian world is filled with stupidity. The Fundamentalist futurists think the false prophet is exclusively the "big literal guy" at the end of the world who will, supposedly, herald the coming of the literal big guy antichrist. And of course, the typical liberals, including most modern and even otherwise orthodox Catholics, just wave their hands and say, well the false prophet was "nothing more" than the pagan Roman priests who literally encouraged emperor worship. Now is it possible there are deeper layers than these typical extremes? Absolutely.

Has God given us garbage or has He given us meaning? The scriptures were given so we can have understanding and clarity, not confusion.

So then, why wouldn't the false prophet be an image of the ultimate mystical anti-sacramentality, the spiritual embodiment of the essence of the dragon's lies back in Genesis.

for again, it seems an intrinsically predestined and necessary thing that heretics must lose, ipso facto, five sacraments, and retain only two, Baptism and Marriage, and if we theologically analyze the allegorical statements of the serpent in Genesis, they very much correlate well with what can truly be called the total antithesis of the remaining sacraments in heresy.

For more info, I expand here: The False Logos (http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-7HJjW9kieKlaV2usQKhFiwefjXc-?cq=1&p=122)I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Maybe its because I'm Baptist? :shrug:

On a mostly unrelated side note, I had a teacher in Seminary who believes that the clamoring for abortion rights, along with suicide and euthanasia rights, are evidence that the fifth trumpet in Revelation 9 is already blown.

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I have permitted Justin to respond to the OP as it addresses witches. Justin, please keep the discussion narrow.

[technomage]

Note: As a non-Christian, I don't post to this forum: however, there was something mentioned in this post that needed to be responded to, so I asked for (and recieved) permissionto post here on this.

I thought this was interesting: Father Eutener's (of a major pro-life organization) main message recently spoke of how some witches consider abortion a "sacrament."

This is a frequent assertion, and I have very little doubt that Father Eutener is repeating this allegation in good faith. However, it is false. Witches do not view abortion as a sacrament.

I have no comment on the balance of the post, but if anyone wishes to discuss the specific topic of "Witchcraft and 'abortion as a sacrament'" further, I invite you to discuss it with me in the Wicca | Neo-Pagan Religions (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/forumdisplay.php?f=154) forum ,or by private message or email.

[spauline]

Was that before or after he became a Montanist? And I can't tell if you are being sarcastic about the ECF's or serious.

Absolutely.
The scriptures were given so we can have understanding and clarity, not confusion.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Maybe its because I'm Baptist? :shrug:

On a mostly unrelated side note, I had a teacher in Seminary who believes that the clamoring for abortion rights, along with suicide and euthanasia rights, are evidence that the fifth trumpet in Revelation 9 is already blown.


Hi, Zguy,

thank you for responding.

I'm not sure what you mean by Father Eutener is a Montanist? He is a Catholic Priest.

I am serious.

In respect to the heresy argument, I'm not attempting to fully attack Protestants. Again, many of, with only Scripture and Two Sacraments, make many more talents, while Catholics with ten talents available let them rot in the attic because they don't even know what they have, let alone care.

If you don't understand, have you read the article I linked?

BTW, IMHO, the fifth trumpet was blown in 1517. Five months of torture, because five sacraments are lost, so retaining just enough spiritual life to get by, they wish they didn't have to stay alive supernaturally.

[Zguy28]

Hi, Zguy,

thank you for responding.

I'm not sure what you mean by Father Eutener is a Montanist? He is a Catholic Priest.

.Actually, I meant Tertullian, not Father Eutener. :smile:

[spauline]

Actually, I meant Tertullian, not Father Eutener. :smile:

Oh, yeah! Dooh! :teeth:

Well, I don't know for sure, but probably was before he split off, at least I would imagine! :smile: