Would you still vote for a Democrat if...

[Sheepdog]

Only the options in the poll are available.

[Storico]

I'd pick this one if pronouncing the name were easier. :tongue: (http://www.cthulhu.org/cthulhu/index.html)

[FirstSunday33ad]

Nader is the Green candidate btw.

[Sheepdog]

o i know.

[Sheepdog]

ooh, i forgot to put in Carter.

well, i'll allow Carter as a write in candidate

[The Curtmudgeon]

I'd pick this one if pronouncing the name were easier. :tongue: (http://www.cthulhu.org/cthulhu/index.html)

I have my "Cthulhu for President 2000 -- Why Vote for the Lesser of Two Evils?" T-shirt. I suspect that sometime before a year from now, I'll have picked up the 2008 version.

The (although I strongly suspect that Cthulhu won't be the greatest of the evils in the upcoming election) Curtmudgeon

[Edited to add:] Oh, and Stori -- it's pronounced CTHUL-hu. :rasberry:

[ApologiaPhoenix]

How about www.zod2008.com ?

[Sheepdog]

yeah, evil isn't something one ought to compromise over :evul:

[Sir-Think-A-Lot]

Nader. As he's the only who woudnt turn our country into a facist state

[Tfbandie]

I don't think Nadar would know what he was doing, and the other choices suck. Soo, I could live with a republican, given those choices

[Conductor42]

Gulliani or Nader I think.

[Jackie Fox]

None of the above.

[rogue06]

I thought Cthulhu was Hillary's "kinder, gentler" alter ego :Huh:

[Jackie Fox]

I thought Cthulhu was Hillary's "kinder, gentler" alter ego :Huh:

Translation: I am a sucker for propaganda.

[rogue06]

Translation: I am a sucker for propaganda.
Nah. I just once had the traumatizing experience of seeing a picture of her in a swimsuit. *SHUDDER*

[Amazing Rando]

Jesus for President! (http://www.jesusforpresident.org/)

Huzzah!

And here are two campaign buttons:

[Jackie Fox]

Nah. I just once had the traumatizing experience of seeing a picture of her in a swimsuit. *SHUDDER*

Oh, really? All the opportunities to attack Senator Clinton and your chosen avenue is based on her status as a late middle aged woman and based entirely on body image. This certainly shows the nature of your character and the poor articulation skills you possess.

One of the great joys of seeing her win, if we do, will be that it will make people like you unhappy. That's reason alone enough to elect her whatever her policies would be.

[rogue06]

Oh, really? All the opportunities to attack Senator Clinton and your chosen avenue is based on her status as a late middle aged woman and based entirely on body image. This certainly shows the nature of your character and the poor articulation skills you possess.

One of the great joys of seeing her win, if we do, will be that it will make people like you unhappy. That's reason alone enough to elect her whatever her policies would be.
No. I didn't say anything about a "late middle age woman" I said I saw a picture of Hillary in a swimsuit. The comparison to Chuthulhu was for all to see (as well as providing an excuse for Bill for all his indiscretions).

[Sheepdog]

Oh, really? All the opportunities to attack Senator Clinton and your chosen avenue is based on her status as a late middle aged woman and based entirely on body image. This certainly shows the nature of your character and the poor articulation skills you possess.

One of the great joys of seeing her win, if we do, will be that it will make people like you unhappy. That's reason alone enough to elect her whatever her policies would be.

even if her policies turned out to be, for instance, Naziism? Or worse to you apparently, pro-life policies?

[Conductor42]

You need to lighten up and have a drink.


Oh, really? All the opportunities to attack Senator Clinton and your chosen avenue is based on her status as a late middle aged woman and based entirely on body image. This certainly shows the nature of your character and the poor articulation skills you possess.

One of the great joys of seeing her win, if we do, will be that it will make people like you unhappy. That's reason alone enough to elect her whatever her policies would be.

[Lazarus]

ooh, i forgot to put in Carter.

well, i'll allow Carter as a write in candidate

In that case, I'd vote for Carter.

[Jackie Fox]

No. I didn't say anything about a "late middle age woman" I said I saw a picture of Hillary in a swimsuit. The comparison to Chuthulhu was for all to see (as well as providing an excuse for Bill for all his indiscretions).

The idea infidelity is due to a wife's unattractiveness is generally mistaken. Sometimes that if offered as an excuse but others factors are generally working harder. Senator Clinton is a very attractive woman for her age. The Clinton haters whine and judge, but, they've stayed married unlike many leading Republican contenders.

[Jackie Fox]

even if her policies turned out to be, for instance, Naziism? Or worse to you apparently, pro-life policies?

Considering how the Nazis outlawed abortion, what's the difference? Obviously there are times to turn against leaders we've supported, and imposition of fascist policies would certainly be one. The statemanship of Barry Morris Goldwater Sr. in telling Richard Nixon he must go is well documented and one thing which makes Goldwater such a towering heroic figure. I am appalled so few Republicans and Democrats opposed the Patriot Act and other measures by this administration. I suppose I would have to advocate her removal also if she turned out to be a person-eating gas from the Planet Xecuth as well.

But as for "pro-life policies" Clinton has already let it be known she is going to move to reduce abortion. Apparently that agenda does not include criminalizing it, but, that's a cosmetic feel good law which does not actually reduce abortion, just lets moral scolds feel good about themselves. Reducing conditions which lead to abortion, which seems to be her approach, now, that has a chance of success, and I don't oppose it.

[rogue06]

The idea infidelity is due to a wife's unattractiveness is generally mistaken. Sometimes that if offered as an excuse but others factors are generally working harder. Senator Clinton is a very attractive woman for her age. The Clinton haters whine and judge, but, they've stayed married unlike many leading Republican contenders.
It's obvious that you just haven't seen the picture I'm talking about :no: (Tweb protocols about lnking to obscene material prohibits me from showing it).

Seriously JF, it has been fun pushing your buttons, but I for one enjoy a challenge and you're just too darn easy!

Btw, business partnerships aren't rocked by someone having an affair like actual marriages are. :smug:

[Jackie Fox]

It's obvious that you just haven't seen the picture I'm talking about :no: (Tweb protocols about lnking to obscene material prohibits me from showing it).

Seriously JF, it has been fun pushing your buttons, but I for one enjoy a challenge and you're just too darn easy!

Btw, business partnerships aren't rocked by someone having an affair like actual marriages are. :smug:

If it's the one of HRC and Elvis in the surf, of course I have. You can get postcards of it at the gift shop at the Clinton Presidential Center.

BTW, the contention somehow the Clinton marriage is more of a "business partnership" than the Reagan or Bush marriage is a good example of the disconnect from reality among the right.

[Sheepdog]

Considering how the Nazis outlawed abortion, what's the difference? Obviously there are times to turn against leaders we've supported, and imposition of fascist policies would certainly be one. The statemanship of Barry Morris Goldwater Sr. in telling Richard Nixon he must go is well documented and one thing which makes Goldwater such a towering heroic figure. I am appalled so few Republicans and Democrats opposed the Patriot Act and other measures by this administration. I suppose I would have to advocate her removal also if she turned out to be a person-eating gas from the Planet Xecuth as well.

But as for "pro-life policies" Clinton has already let it be known she is going to move to reduce abortion. Apparently that agenda does not include criminalizing it, but, that's a cosmetic feel good law which does not actually reduce abortion, just lets moral scolds feel good about themselves. Reducing conditions which lead to abortion, which seems to be her approach, now, that has a chance of success, and I don't oppose it.

you didn't answer my question. let's say she was pro-life, hypothetically and for the sake of argument. would you vote for her?

[Sheepdog]

In that case, I'd vote for Carter.

out of curiosity, are you old enough to have lived through his administration (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Special3.aspx)? you ever heard of stagflation?

[Lazarus]

out of curiosity, are you old enough to have lived through his administration (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Special3.aspx)? you ever heard of stagflation?

Yep. Voted for him twice and then I voted for Mondale. Yes, I remember "stagflation", as well as Ford's WIN buttons. Carter's administration wasn't perfect, but it was far from the cynicism and deceit of the Republicans at the time. Remember, we were post Watergate, Ford had pardoned Nixon, and then made the silly comment that eastern Europe was not oppressed by the Soviets. I liked Ford as a person, but Carter represented a new vision and there was a definite sense that things in America were changing for the better after Vietnam and Watergate. During the second election, I didn't trust Reagan all that much because of what I felt was a rather mean attitude towards the poor and doubts about his willingness to uphold cival rights. Also, I supported Carter's recognition of China and the decision to return the Panama Canal to Panama. I should also mention that the hostages were still being held in Iran and I felt that a Carter defeat would give strength to the militants in Tehran. I voted for Mondale because I felt confirmed in my suspicion concerning the Reagan administration and cival rights. Catholic nuns had been murdered in cold blood by the military in El Salvadore and the Reagan Administration, in a rather clumsy way, attempted to defend the murderers, even suggesting the nuns could have been running guns for guerillas. Plus, there was the entire Contra fiasco, not to mention the savings and loans failures, all of which led me to support the Democrats during that election as well. So, again, given the folks running for President right now, I would take Carter over all of them.

[Jackie Fox]

you didn't answer my question. let's say she was pro-life, hypothetically and for the sake of argument. would you vote for her?

She has. I don't disagree.

[Jackie Fox]

out of curiosity, are you old enough to have lived through his administration (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Special3.aspx)? you ever heard of stagflation?

Stagflation began in the Nixon Administration, though it occurred in the Carter Administration as well. The economist Paul Samuelson coined the term.

[Thomas More]

Cthulu, the stars are right.

[Jimmy Higgins]

What is this? A serious entry into the Compete for the Dumbest Poll of the Year Award.

Is this some sort of mocking Jackie poll from somewhere?

[Jimmy Higgins]

out of curiosity, are you old enough to have lived through his administration (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Special3.aspx)? you ever heard of stagflation?Out of curiosity, aren't you aware that the stagflation was a result of Nixon's attempt to manipulate the interest rate to quell inflation?

Inflation (http://econ161.berkeley.edu/Econ_Articles/theinflationofthes.html) (link for diagrams) was a big problem well prior to Carter taking office. It went up, down and was heading back up prior to 1977 when he took office. Carter truly inherited a bunch of bad economic conditions. I like how the right wants to drop all of it on him, instead of the Republicans that served the previous 8 years.

[Thomas More]

What is this? A serious entry into the Compete for the Dumbest Poll of the Year Award.

Is this some sort of mocking Jackie poll from somewhere?

If you vote for the elder gods you will be eaten first, if not you wil be eaten last.

[Pilgrim]

Out of curiosity, aren't you aware that the stagflation was a result of Nixon's attempt to manipulate the interest rate to quell inflation?

Inflation (http://econ161.berkeley.edu/Econ_Articles/theinflationofthes.html) (link for diagrams) was a big problem well prior to Carter taking office. It went up, down and was heading back up prior to 1977 when he took office. Carter truly inherited a bunch of bad economic conditions. I like how the right wants to drop all of it on him, instead of the Republicans that served the previous 8 years.

I agree with you on that front. Carter's biggest issues was he was too smart for his own good and subsequently did not delegate well and got overwhelmed.

At the same time let's not forget that it was Carter's negotiationas over three continents in three languages that got the hostages released. (According to the Presidential memoirs when Reagon was contacted to let him know the hostages were coming home he would not even take the call because he was getting dressed for dinner. Nice.)

Let's also not forget that Carter inherited the lowest level of trust for the office of the executive that our nation had ever seen. So low was the trust level that he was at odds with his own party. Why was the trust level so low you ask? The simple answer: Nixon. It's hard to get any good work done when nobody trusts your branch of the office. Just ask the next bloke who takes over the oval office how hard it is.

Let's also not forget that in the last 38 years Democrats have held the office of the President for only 12 years in heriting each time unprecidented inflation and national debt. Let's also not forget that in 8 of those years that was all turned around to show an unprecednted stretch of economic growth and an actual surplus only to be blown again in the first year of the next Republican administration the went on to set records for debt accumulation.

All of that to say that I'd vote for Carter given the options above. You gotta figure he learned from his mistakes the first time around and unlike other leaders he's the kind of guy that owns up to his mistakes and makes corrections. He's not that bad for an old baptist sunday school teacher from the Georgia sticks.

[Sir-Think-A-Lot]

You know I'm surprised my 'facist state' comment hasnt generated more response...

[historic salve]

If Giuliani wins the nomination, I doubt I'll vote for either candidate.

[almightydollar]

Are zombies even allowed to run for president?

[Lazarus]

Are zombies even allowed to run for president?

Sure! Several have.

[Sir-Think-A-Lot]

In fact Regan got elected.

[Conductor42]

Let's also not forget that in the last 38 years Democrats have held the office of the President for only 12 years in heriting each time unprecidented inflation and national debt. Let's also not forget that in 8 of those years that was all turned around to show an unprecednted stretch of economic growth and an actual surplus only to be blown again in the first year of the next Republican administration the went on to set records for debt accumulation.

Don't forget - which congress abolished the requirements for a balanced budget? Oh yeah, the one controlled by alleged fiscal conservatives.
You know what really gets me? We spent 406 billion dollars on interest-only payments on the national debt.
If divided evenly, that's $1,353.34 a person.

[Paintbucket]

Cuthlulu is my vote. I liked Lovecraft's works on Cuthlulu. And there is a great Metallica song (somewhat) named after Cuthlulu. "The Call of Kutulu, and Cuthlulu is the inspiration for it.

[Wesley's son]

Considering how the Nazis outlawed abortion, what's the difference? Obviously there are times to turn against leaders we've supported, and imposition of fascist policies would certainly be one. The statemanship of Barry Morris Goldwater Sr. in telling Richard Nixon he must go is well documented and one thing which makes Goldwater such a towering heroic figure. I am appalled so few Republicans and Democrats opposed the Patriot Act and other measures by this administration. I suppose I would have to advocate her removal also if she turned out to be a person-eating gas from the Planet Xecuth as well.

But as for "pro-life policies" Clinton has already let it be known she is going to move to reduce abortion. Apparently that agenda does not include criminalizing it, but, that's a cosmetic feel good law which does not actually reduce abortion, just lets moral scolds feel good about themselves. Reducing conditions which lead to abortion, which seems to be her approach, now, that has a chance of success, and I don't oppose it.

Hillary voted for the Patriot Act in 2001 and for its renewal in 2006. There is only one candidate committed to protecting the US from the growing police state and restoring the Constitution in its entirety, including the 2nd amendment: Dr Ron Paul. A vote for Hillary is a vote for more of the same powermongering. "...meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."

[sj48182]

Nader is probably the least objectionable of those choices.