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shunyadragon
02-27-2014, 07:38 PM
Recent important Clovis discovery reveals some things about the origins and ancestors.





Ancient DNA Ties Native Americans From Two Continents To Clovis

The mysterious Clovis culture, which appeared in North America about 13,000 years ago, appears to be the forerunner of Native Americans throughout the Americas, according to a study in Nature. Scientists have read the genetic sequence of a baby from a Clovis burial site in Montana to help fill out the story of the earliest Americans.

Until now, archaeologists have had to rely mainly on tools made of stone and bone, and other artifacts to tell the story of human migration about 15,000 years ago to the new world.

Now that story is bolstered with some dramatic, ancient DNA, extracted from the remains of a 1-year-old boy who died in present-day Montana more than 12,000 years ago.

That's the only human skeleton known from a brief but prolific culture in the Americas called Clovis.

"Clovis is what we like to refer to as an 'archaeological complex,' " says Michael Waters, an archaeologist at Texas A&M University. That complex is defined by characteristic tools, he says.

The Clovis artifacts were common for about 400 years, starting about 13,000 years ago. But at this point, there is only one set of human remains associated with those sorts of tools: that of the baby from Montana.

"So this genetic study actually provides us with a look at who these people were," Waters says.

The most obvious conclusion from the study is that the Clovis people who lived on the Anzick site in Montana were genetically very much like Native Americans throughout the Western Hemisphere.

"The Anzick family is directly ancestral to so many peoples in the Americas," says Eske Willerslev, from the University of Copenhagen. "That's astonishing!"

He led the effort to read that genome. The genes reveal that early Americans are the product of two lineages that most likely met and interbred in Asia before making the trek across the Bering land bridge.

"So this strongly suggests that there was a single migration of people into the Americas," Waters says. "And these people were probably the people who eventually gave rise to Clovis."

The finding contradicts a long-shot hypothesis that Clovis' ancestors actually came from Europe, not Asia. But it leaves many other questions about Clovis unresolved.

Jedidiah
02-27-2014, 11:37 PM
I am not sure I understand how this suggests a single migration of people into the Americas, as opposed to a series of migrations by the same Asian ancestors.

shunyadragon
02-28-2014, 07:13 AM
I am not sure I understand how this suggests a single migration of people into the Americas, as opposed to a series of migrations by the same Asian ancestors.

I am not sure how the came to this conclusion, but I think their conclusion was based on genetic research on bones from burials of a similar age in Asia. I consider the sea route still a viable alternative.

Bill the Cat
02-28-2014, 08:32 AM
But, they are Jewish Lamanites, aren't they?



:eek:


Sorry Frank. Couldn't help myself...

Outis
02-28-2014, 08:34 AM
I am not sure I understand how this suggests a single migration of people into the Americas, as opposed to a series of migrations by the same Asian ancestors.

This doesn't rule out later migrations from Asia or Europe, but does eliminate the possibility that the Clovis culture, specifically, had European ancestry.

Jedidiah
02-28-2014, 10:07 AM
This doesn't rule out later migrations from Asia or Europe, but does eliminate the possibility that the Clovis culture, specifically, had European ancestry.

That European bit never had more than a fringe acceptance did it?

Outis
02-28-2014, 10:08 AM
That European bit never had more than a fringe acceptance did it?

It was a bone of contention for years, and if it was only a fringe contention, the fringe in this case was pretty darn loud. :hehe:

shunyadragon
02-28-2014, 10:09 AM
This doesn't rule out later migrations from Asia or Europe, but does eliminate the possibility that the Clovis culture, specifically, had European ancestry.

I have to check on this, but I believe the Asian origins are more Siberian then Eurasian genetically. They were not the first nor the only immigrants from Eurasian. About 80% of all Native Americans share Clovis DNA. but it is still mixed with other Eurasian immigrants.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-12/dna-shows-clovis-people-as-ancestors-to-native-americans.html

robrecht
02-28-2014, 10:35 AM
When I first saw the thread title, I thought it was going to be about my ancestor Clovis, founder of the Merovivngian Dynasty!

Outis
02-28-2014, 10:38 AM
When I first saw the thread title, I thought it was going to be about my ancestor Clovis, founder of the Merovivngian Dynasty!

Wrong Clovis ... unless he had a hobby of making flint arrowheads. :hehe:

shunyadragon
02-28-2014, 12:14 PM
When I first saw the thread title, I thought it was going to be about my ancestor Clovis, founder of the Merovivngian Dynasty!

My ancestor, the Merovingian will rule the world and I will be the Emperor. Frank of the Franks.

robrecht
02-28-2014, 12:22 PM
My ancestor, the Merovingian will rule the world and I will be the Emperor. Frank of the Franks.
We're related!

Outis
02-28-2014, 12:33 PM
We're related!

So if I hit either of you with the phrase "May I be frank with you?" you'll get the pun. :wink:

I should be ashamed of myself. Frankly. :hehe:

robrecht
02-28-2014, 12:36 PM
You could never be Frank. He's special. Has his own unique haecceitas.

shunyadragon
02-28-2014, 02:53 PM
We're related!

One of my ancestors was a member of the royal house of the Franks.

Frank of the Franks

robrecht
02-28-2014, 04:29 PM
One of my ancestors was a member of the royal house of the Franks.

Frank of the FranksHow much do you know about him? I'll ask my grandparents what they recall.

Carrikature
02-28-2014, 06:28 PM
I am not sure I understand how this suggests a single migration of people into the Americas, as opposed to a series of migrations by the same Asian ancestors.

Ancestry. It's the same way we establish cladistics in evolution. Certain sequences and features exist across multiple groups. Those same features and sequences do not exist in other groups. Hence, the features and sequences arose after a split occurred. If they had arisen before, they would be present in both lineages barring a loss of such features later (which we can still track).

A good example of this is the GULO gene which is responsible for making Vitamin C in mammals. Primates (including humans) share a broken GULO gene and cannot produce their own. Guinea pigs also have a broken gene, but it's broken in a different spot. The GULO gene shows up in all mammals, though, indicating it came first. It's only after populations split off that the gene was mutated/broken later. That's why primates all have the same broken gene and guinea pigs have a differently broken gene.

shunyadragon
03-01-2014, 02:12 PM
How much do you know about him? I'll ask my grandparents what they recall.

You would have to back a few+ more generations. All I know is that when things got uncomfortable in France he ducked out and headed to Ireland.

robrecht
03-02-2014, 06:49 AM
You would have to back a few+ more generations. All I know is that when things got uncomfortable in France he ducked out and headed to Ireland. We stuck around until Cardinal Richelieu started chopping our heads off, then we escaped to Haiti. During the slave rebellion there, two children were smuggled into New Orleans in barrels without their parents. Eventually, my ancestors made their way to Kentucky. When I was living with the Capuchins in Paris to learn French, I announced the fact that I was descended from French nobility, and they were all aghast that an American would make such an obviously false claim. Kentucky, of all places! I assured them that they should not worry, that my relatives had done quite well in America, actually winning an award at a Kentucky state fair for raising hogs. One of them, a librarian at the Bibliothèque nationale de France, actually tried to prove that my particular line had actually died out. But there I was. I was very happy to let them know that we were still around and ready to serve France again as their leaders if ever the need should arise.

shunyadragon
03-02-2014, 03:32 PM
We stuck around until Cardinal Richelieu started chopping our heads off, then we escaped to Haiti. During the slave rebellion there, two children were smuggled into New Orleans in barrels without their parents. Eventually, my ancestors made their way to Kentucky. When I was living with the Capuchins in Paris to learn French, I announced the fact that I was descended from French nobility, and they were all aghast that an American would make such an obviously false claim. Kentucky, of all places! I assured them that they should not worry, that my relatives had done quite well in America, actually winning an award at a Kentucky state fair for raising hogs. One of them, a librarian at the Bibliothèque nationale de France, actually tried to prove that my particular line had actually died out. But there I was. I was very happy to let them know that we were still around and ready to serve France again as their leaders if ever the need should arise.

were likely distant cousins of a sort. I will try ad look up his name.