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This forum is open discussion between atheists and all theists to defend and debate their views on religion or non-religion. Please respect that this is a Christian-owned forum and refrain from gratuitous blasphemy. VERY wide leeway is given in range of expression and allowable behavior as compared to other areas of the forum, and moderation is not overly involved unless necessary. Please keep this in mind. Atheists who wish to interact with theists in a way that does not seek to undermine theistic faith may participate in the World Religions Department. Non-debate question and answers and mild and less confrontational discussions can take place in General Theistics.
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Atheists are saved by... what?"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Our ship earth has more voyagers in the quest for salvation then Christians and Atheists. There are Buddhists, Jews, Hindus, Agnostics, Taoists, Muslims, and an assortment of others all concerned with salvation, including an assortments of pragmatists. The question from my perspective is what are we saved from?
From the Baha'i perspective the main concern is the salvation of humanity in the unity and harmony of our spiritual nature. Unselfish sincerity and compassion for our fellow passengers on the ship 'Earth.' are more likely the touchstone of salvation then being concerned with salvation of ones own soul.
Compassion
Compassion is the earth,
it is always beneath you regardless of flavor.
It receives all in death,
without judgment or favor.
Love is the moon,
a beautiful reflection in the lake.
entwines the favored son,
but fades dancing away in the wake.
Compassion is the sun.
The sun gives warmth and life to all,
even the dark shadows in the morn
receive light in the eve whether short or tall.
Love is the moon
sometime a smile, sometimes not
dancing in the shadows
sometimes there, sometimes not
Compassion fills the air.
to some a soft breeze.
others a deadly roar and a prayer
Not one nor the other to please.
Love is the moon
Playing hide and seek
Sometimes a wink
for those who vainly seek.
Compassion is the sea,
Ascending to the heavens unseen,
returning again to give life.
or a grave to some in the sea
Love is the rose.
Beautiful to behold,
When no longer a rose,
the thorns take hold.
God is not a chess player
with the white pieces.
God is the sea . . .
and we are the fishes.
Frank A Doonan
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It is not an argument about semantics FF. It is about the actual existence of God and whether or not we can connect with Him.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostAtheists are saved by... what?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Nonsense, what would the atheist be saved from FF?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostOr saved from what?
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostWhat I am trying to get at is that when you clear away the special language and this sort of question, you see, very obviously, that we are all in the same boat. It does not matter what you mean by being saved, if we are in the same boat, we are both saved.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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