2 Questions....

[ItalianGold]

I have a question.

What is the age estimate of the earth from the standpoint of a YEC?

Actually two questions...

How do those who never hear The Word become saved?

Thanks for your time.

[cloewen]

ItalianGold:
I have a question.

What is the age estimate of the earth from the standpoint of a YEC?

Actually two questions...

How do those who never hear The Word become saved?

Thanks for your time.

[ItalianGold]

cloewen:


I'm sorry. I hate when people throw acronyms around, assuming everyone knows what they mean. In fact, I think it would be wonderful to have a little reference section here somewhere that explains those most often seen in comments.

:smile:

YEC= Young Earth Creationist

[cloewen]

ItalianGold:
YEC= Young Earth Creationist

I'm glad I asked. I thought YEC might mean Young Evangelical Christian and though Evangelical, I'm young only at heart.

There's an interesting book I'm presently reading by Gorman Gray entitled The Age of the Universe: What Are the Biblical Limits?

He believes that the Hebrew of Genesis 1-3 allows for, though does not demand, an ancient, sterile, geological Earth even though it teaches a a young (10,000 to 6,000 year old) biosphere.

My personal jury is still out.

The Age of the Universe (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0965594203/)

[Socrates]

Gorman Gray is most unreliable, and is allowing so-called science to influence his eisegesis of the text. But a Biblical creationist, aka YEC or "young earth creationist", generally believes the Earth is actually incredibly old -- about 6000 years old in fact! See, for example, The earth: how old does it look? (http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v23n1_earth_how_old.asp)

Oh, in answer to "What about Those Who have Never Heard the Gospel?", I think Glenn Miller's article http://www.christian-thinktank.com/hnohear.html is very good.

[Solly]

ItalianGold:


How do those who never hear The Word become saved?



They don't.


But you might want to talk to Geebob; he says they do.

[GrayPilgrim]

ItalianGold:
I have a question.

What is the age estimate of the earth from the standpoint of a YEC?



I could agree to up to about 20,000 years old, based on how many holes there might be in the geneaologies of Genesis, but nothing on the scale of millions or billions.


Actually two questions...

How do those who never hear The Word become saved?

Thanks for your time.

I think Solly answered it quite well.

[JCA]

Solly:


They don't.


But you might want to talk to Geebob; he says they do.

Hmm.. interesting..

SO why exactly did God write the new commands on our Hearts and Minds:

Hebrews 8:10
This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

Hebrews 10:16
"This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

And why did He do this? SO that those who do not recieve the Gospel as it was given by Christ, can be judged according to their lifes works.

Revelation 2 ~ KJV
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Revelation 2:23 ~ NIV
I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.

Are you then implying that God searches peoples hearts and minds to see if their works have been of the Spirit even though they had no formal knowledge of it, and if they have led a good life, then says, "Oh well, into the fire with you?"

'Tis a strange God some people believe in sometimes :smile:

JMHO though.

Seems to me that if God automatically throws into the lake of fire everyone who has never heard the CORRECT Gospel, then there are about 29,999 denominations out there in for a BIG surprise.. Plus, it certainly shines a poor light on God for the innocent children who haven't had a chance to even hear His word yet, to be automatically forever bereft of God, and made to suffer..

But then, I suppose you have a right to believe as you will. :teeth:

Love and Peace

JCA

[Xmansmommy]

ItalianGold:


I'm sorry. I hate when people throw acronyms around, assuming everyone knows what they mean. In fact, I think it would be wonderful to have a little reference section here somewhere that explains those most often seen in comments.

:smile:

YEC= Young Earth Creationist
Dear Italian Gold,
I know there was one floating around here on TW somewhere and I've searched and searched for it, but alas, to no avail. Sorry :argh: If anyone else knows where it is, would you please post the link? Much appreciated.

Grace and Peace,
Linda

[Socrates]

GrayPilgrim:
I could agree to up to about 20,000 years old, based on how many holes there might be in the geneaologies of Genesis, but nothing on the scale of millions or billions. You're right that millions or billions just can't work, and a major consideration apart from the Genesis text itself is the sin-death causality taught throughout Scripture.

But I can't see how the genealogies can have gaps. I know that other genealogies have intentional gaps, e.g. Mt. 1:8–9 vs 1 Chr. 3:10–12, but these others don't mention the age of the father at the birth of the next name in the line. Also, while son can mean a descendant, Genesis 5 and 11 genealogies say that X ‘begat sons and daughters’ implying that Z is likewise a son of X in this specific context. But even if Z ia not the son of X, nonetheless the age of X is given when Z is born, so there is still a tight chronology even if we granted for the purpose of the argument that it wasn't a tight genealogy.

I'm also not sure where you put the missing generations. Jude says Enoch was seventh from Adam; Seth is definitely a direct son of Adam and Eve; Lamech named Noah so Noah was his son not descendant, Shem, Ham and Japheth were definitely ordinary sons of Noah; Arphaxad was a plain son of Shem because he was born two years after the Flood; Abram was Terah's ordinary son; so there are few places to insert the gaps.

Also, how many missing generations do there have to be? Normally, people want to push the Flood right back. But since the Genesis 11 people had sons at age 35 or less, to add even 10,000 years would take over 250 missing generations.