So, how long will these dumb atheists be making the "name mistake"?

[jpholding]

Hector "Dr. Stupid" Avalos referred to me by my old name when he first wrote to me, and it has been SEVEN MONTHS since the change! Place your bets! How long will this sort of thing go on? Will they ever wake up to the reality? Or will I have this to make fun of for even longer?

[The Curtmudgeon]

Definitely a comet comment. Some of those on-line atheists will be doing the Beavis & Butthead "Huh huh! He said 'Turkel'!!" nonsense for years to come.

The (it's all you can expect from single-digit IQs, such as they've demonstrated) Curtmudgeon

[ApologiaPhoenix]

People will deny JPH no longer has the name Robert Turkel just as much as RumTum denies she's Cruiser.

Of course, in both cases, the truth is being denied.

[JonLanceBarker]

and they'll still be using "The No Name" in hell.

[Raphael]

I had to use the last one because you left out the option of:
Duh...Turkel changed his name........waaaaaaahhhhhhh there go my refutations.

[JB]

They'll be using it forever.

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

I agree with JB. It's their best refutation :wink:

[ApologiaPhoenix]

I agree with JB. It's their only refutation :wink:

This post of Punkish's has been properly edited.

[Bill the Cat]

:flaming:

Foo Foo: TURKEL!! :duh: It's TURKEL!! I don't care what he changed it to!!! :hyper: TURKEL still won't respond to the Land Promise challenge, even after he's been in heaven for 1 million years :shout:
It's TURK.. umm, can I help you?

Demon: Time for your daily dose of torture Farrell :flaming:

Foo Foo: You don't exist! TURKEL sent you, didn't he?? :noid:

[Sparko]

maybe you should start using Turkel as your pen name now, just to confuse them.

[kyleisnotdead]

I don't understand all the fussing. JP returned to his birth name. I think just about anybody would be justified in doing that.

[Raphael]

I don't understand all the fussing. JP returned to his birth name. I think just about anybody would be justified in doing that.
Yes, but their main argument was that JP wasn't to be trusted because he "dishonestly" used his birth name as a pen name.

Now that he's officially changed it back they still need to cling to it as it is the only thing they could find that that vaguely looked like JP could be considered a liar.

Although apart from in their deluded minds there is absolutely nothing wrong with using a pseudonym People have a right to keep their names private and many of the greatest writers are known mostly by their pseudonyms. Had JP decided to write all his work as Jazz Jackrabbit there still wouldn't be an issue. (although I would battle to keep a straight face reading them addressing Jazz Jackrabbit)

[Apikorus]

Why did JPH change his name in the first place?

Maybe, to borrow a trick from a famous musician, he could be referred to as, "the apologist formerly known as Robert Turkel" ?

[Teluog]

Just for kicks, whenever skeptics finally do start to get JPH's name right he should change it again. In the future he could be "Jamesbert Patrick Turking".

[Rayado]

Why did JPH change his name in the first place?

Maybe, to borrow a trick from a famous musician, he could be referred to as, "the apologist formerly known as Robert Turkel" ?
clicky (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=99026) :whistle:

[Leonhard]

The people barking about it might change tactics and do something like this: "After putting a lot pressure on him, Holding has finally admitted that his name was in fact Turkel, howevier now he tries to hide behind a name change. I say lame excuse!!!" Or something stupid like that. Any bets?

[Chaotic Void]

You expect these guys to remember a name change?!

We're talking about people who have been known to
-honestly believe that the Scientific Method answers the ultimate questions
-use an English dictionary to define Greek and Aramaic words
-think quote-mining the Bible is some form of devastating argument against Christianity
-still do said things even after being corrected

In other words Farrel Till, whoever that is, will still be using Turkel in Hell.

[Ishida]

December. (Tomorrow..)

[Dee Dee Warren]

maybe you should start using Turkel as your pen name now, just to confuse them.

I suggested that years ago. Even when I was still a stupid Windows user.

[Meta Knight]

I suggested that years ago. Even when I was still a stupid Windows user.
As opposed to now, when you're a stupid Mac user?

(Hey, you can't leave a straight line like that lying around. :tongue:)

[Darth Executor]

In other words Farrel Till, whoever that is, will still be using Turkel in Hell.

If you don't know who Farrell Till is you should have your tektonics membership revoked.

[Chaotic Void]

If you don't know who Farrell Till is you should have your tektonics membership revoked.

I have a Tektonics Membership? Where can I claim it?

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

If you don't know who Farrell Till is you should have your tektonics membership revoked.

Perhaps he's playing down Till's self-importance.... :wink:

[Chaotic Void]

Perhaps he's playing down Till's self-importance.... :wink:

I know the only three things to know about him...
1)His Name
2)The fact that he's an idiot.
3)[if memory serves] Someone on Debunking Crap is parodying him and going by the name of Sterile Till, so he must be one of Loftus's Stooges.

[AngelDragon]

Stupidity is not a physical consition. Such a thing spans all life, including the afterlife. Dumb people don't get smarter--they get dumber, and as such, I voted the last option.:hehe:

[AngelDragon]

I know the only three things to know about him...
1)His Name
2)The fact that he's an idiot.
3)[if memory serves] Someone on Debunking Crap is parodying him and going by the name of Sterile Till, so he must be one of Loftus's Stooges.

I don't know if he's one of Loftus' stooges, but I would be Mr. Sterile. :hi:

[Chaotic Void]

I don't know if he's one of Loftus' stooges, but I would be Mr. Sterile. :hi:

Ah... That be an Error on my part then... :lol:

[Darth Executor]

He's not one of Loftus's stooges, Till is before Loftus was. He's a decrepit old man and the head honcho of The Skeptical Review. If you've never heard of it, I'm not surprised. Not a lot of people have. Last we heard of him his message board was an ad spot for viagra.

http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/tilltoon01.html

He's a typical fundy atheist, and he and JP went back and forth for a while, but Till ended up being overwhelmed and hasn't really kept up with JP's stuff. He also gained notoriety when he found some of JP's personal information (including his wife's work address) and posted it online. He also called JP's house and I believe his wife let him have it.

[AngelDragon]

He's not one of Loftus's stooges, Till is before Loftus was. He's a decrepit old man and the head honcho of The Skeptical Review. If you've never heard of it, I'm not surprised. Not a lot of people have. Last we heard of him his message board was an ad spot for viagra.

http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/tilltoon01.html

He's a typical fundy atheist, and he and JP went back and forth for a while, but Till ended up being overwhelmed and hasn't really kept up with JP's stuff. He also gained notoriety when he found some of JP's personal information (including his wife's work address) and posted it online. He also called JP's house and I believe his wife let him have it.

What kind of demented bastard posts the personal information of a man and his wife on the Internet for God and the world to see?

Wait. . .*gets idea for DC parody*

[Mr Minder]

I'm not that serious in voting for the last option - Farrell Till willstill be using "Turkel" in Hell - but then, it's just about making fun of him. :teeth:

[Chaotic Void]

Billy Wheaton used "Turkel" so it's reasonable to assume that they're STILL ignoring the Name Change...

Stupid... :brood:

[A Deeper Look]

Billy Wheaton used "Turkel" so it's reasonable to assume that they're STILL ignoring the Name Change...

Stupid... :brood:

yeah, they obviously don't have JPOCD


They have RTOCD

:-)

[MrManNo1]

Wait...Turkel changed his name?







...kidding... :wink:

[A Deeper Look]

I'm leaning towards the last poll option. It's a nice diversion for them, that way they don't have to answer any arguments.

[jpholding]

http://community.netscape.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=205744.9576&nav=messages&webtag=ws-newsforum&redirCnt=1

Nine months and counting....

[JB]

http://community.netscape.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=205744.9576&nav=messages&webtag=ws-newsforum&redirCnt=1

Nine months and counting....

:hehe:

[Chaotic Void]

http://community.netscape.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=205744.9576&nav=messages&webtag=ws-newsforum&redirCnt=1

Nine months and counting....

Oh, good grief... :lol:

[Raphael]

:rofl: Now that is very amusing.

Especially the idea that JP uses Sheila to satisfy a cross-dressing fantasy.....I didn't know you had a deep seated desire to be an elapine JP.

This is evidence that Billy W. has been practising brain surgery on them atheists.

[Mr Minder]

Especially the idea that JP uses Sheila to satisfy a cross-dressing fantasy.....I didn't know you had a deep seated desire to be an elapine JP.



Seriously?! :lmbo:

[Raphael]

Seriously?! :lmbo:
Yup



>>>"J.P Holding" is a false name used by Robert Turkel, a huckster who employs a cast of false identities. For example, he posts self-supporting messages on internet forums and weblog comments under the name "Sheila Rangslinger" and may use other aliases, all in an attempt, apparently, to make it look as if people other than Robert Turkel agree with Robert Turkel. (Whether slipping into his "Sheila" false identity also satisfies any of Turkel's cross-dressing fantasies is unknown at this time.)<<

Like I said, proof that Billy W. has been practising brain surgery without a licence.

[Mr Minder]

:twitch: He do believe what his own crap tells him...

[Leonhard]

I simply don't get the problem? Even if it was just a pseudonym, so what? I've got a similar problem: My first and last name are very common here in Denmark, however my two middle names rather unique. So I normally call myself by my middle names, however when I sign stuff I use my first and last name. So am I phony because I sign with one name, and use another? :no:

Meh, if that's all they can pickle at...

[TolkienFan]

Originally posted by Leonhard

I simply don't get the problem? Even if it was just a pseudonym, so what? I've got a similar problem: My first and last name are very common here in Denmark, however my two middle names rather unique. So I normally call myself by my middle names, however when I sign stuff I use my first and last name. So am I phony because I sign with one name, and use another?

Meh, if that's all they can pickle at...

Well, that's fundy atheist logic for you. They'll try to grasp at anything. According to them, using a pseudonym is dishonesty. According to them, who needs to answer cogent arguments when you can pick on a name?

[Hamster]

You should use R.T. as your pen name, that way they will be forced to gotcha you by calling you JPH

[TolkienFan]

Originally posted by Hamster

You should use R.T. as your pen name, that way they will be forced to gotcha you by calling you JPH

That was actually an idea of his a long time ago, back when he got his name changed.

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

I want to know why atheists bother with Voltaire if they have issues with pseudonyms!

[jpholding]

I want to know why atheists bother with Voltaire if they have issues with pseudonyms!

They're too dumb to know that "Voltaire" was a pseudonym, probably. :lolo:

[Hamster]

Whatever happened to Farrel Till

He posted here for a month or two and then dropped off the face of the planet

[jpholding]

Whatever happened to Farrel Till

He posted here for a month or two and then dropped off the face of the planet

I know he had a stroke somewhere in that time period, which left his hardly able to type. Since then he's just posted very rarely even on his own site. Prolly ate too many bitter greens. :hehe:

[sc_q_jayce]

How about I start instead?

[Ishida]

The name calling is interesting, any chance you'd all cool that down? I assume you made it known that your name was changed? Otherwise it's a tad foolish to call people stupid because they call you another name. Then again, I've seen some things people say about you..

[T-Shirt Ninja]

There's a whole thread on it here. (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=99026)

[Chaotic Void]

There's a whole thread on it here. (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=99026)

And didn't he write an Article on Tektonics about it?

[TolkienFan]

Originally posted by Solid Snake

And didn't he write an Article on Tektonics about it?

Yup. In fact, that thread is based off the article.

[Chaotic Void]

Yup. In fact, that thread is based off the article.
:hehe: if I had checked, I'd have known that...

[jpholding]

The name calling is interesting, any chance you'd all cool that down? I assume you made it known that your name was changed? Otherwise it's a tad foolish to call people stupid because they call you another name. Then again, I've seen some things people say about you..

You're being a perfect example of why nothing will be changed, or should be. :lol:

[Ishida]

You're being a perfect example of why nothing will be changed, or should be. :lol:

Care to explain? What will not be changed, why laugh at me? I'm not your enemy, just asking questions.. :eek:

[lilpixieofterror]

The name calling is interesting, any chance you'd all cool that down? I assume you made it known that your name was changed? Otherwise it's a tad foolish to call people stupid because they call you another name. Then again, I've seen some things people say about you..

Ishida, it's pretty dumb to call JPH by another name and use it as an argument that you can't 'trust him' like so many of the people he's talking about say. Besides, do you have an issue referring to Voltare or Mark Twain, you do know those are not real names, right?

[Hamster]

Care to explain? What will not be changed, why laugh at me? I'm not your enemy, just asking questions.. :eek:

JPH used to be his pen name. His real name was RT. He didn't make a secret of this, because he included his real name in every e-mail that he sent out. He was using JPH in order to protect himself and his family from prison inmates who might attempt to look him up (which is easy to do when someone has a website domain registered).

His bitter opponents created a bunch of silly reasons as to why they were obgliated to use only his real name, as often as possible. It was pretty obvious that they were only doing it to be petty and they made all sorts of excuses as to why he shouldn't have to take such a precaution, effectively deciding for him which security measures he should take to protect himself and his family.

One even went so far as to publish his home phone number, address, and call his home.

So in a funny move, he switched his real name to JPH, so that it's no longer his real name. Of course, since the motive for publishing "RT" as often as possible was never honest pursuit of the truth, but petty sniping, they still refer to him as RT even though it's not his true name anymore.

There is a history from 1999-2008

[jpholding]

Care to explain? What will not be changed, why laugh at me? I'm not your enemy, just asking questions.. :eek:

Then you'll want to learn to write without sounding condescending.

Not:


The name calling is interesting, any chance you'd all cool that down? I assume you made it known that your name was changed? Otherwise it's a tad foolish to call people stupid because they call you another name. Then again, I've seen some things people say about you..

But:

"How did you let it be known that the name was changed?"

[Ishida]

JPH used to be his pen name. His real name was RT. He didn't make a secret of this, because he included his real name in every e-mail that he sent out. He was using JPH in order to protect himself and his family from prison inmates who might attempt to look him up (which is easy to do when someone has a website domain registered).

His bitter opponents created a bunch of silly reasons as to why they were obgliated to use only his real name, as often as possible. It was pretty obvious that they were only doing it to be petty and they made all sorts of excuses as to why he shouldn't have to take such a precaution, effectively deciding for him which security measures he should take to protect himself and his family.

One even went so far as to publish his home phone number, address, and call his home.

So in a funny move, he switched his real name to JPH, so that it's no longer his real name. Of course, since the motive for publishing "RT" as often as possible was never honest pursuit of the truth, but petty sniping, they still refer to him as RT even though it's not his true name anymore.

There is a history from 1999-2008
Thanks.


Re: So, how long will these dumb atheists be making the "name mistake"?

Originally posted by Ishida
Care to explain? What will not be changed, why laugh at me? I'm not your enemy, just asking questions..

Then you'll want to learn to write without sounding condescending.

Not:

The name calling is interesting, any chance you'd all cool that down? I assume you made it known that your name was changed? Otherwise it's a tad foolish to call people stupid because they call you another name. Then again, I've seen some things people say about you..

But:

"How did you let it be known that the name was changed?"
Noted. Sorry about that.

[jpholding]

By the way, Hamster forgot one very ironic twist to the tale. RT was not my original (birth) name.

My original name was.....
















































....James Patrick Holding. :hehe:

[Hamster]

Oh yeah!

[Alucard]

Oh yeah!

:wink:

[Mr Minder]

JPH, then RT, and then JPH again? Oh yeah, I think I remember the tale now... :hehe:

[jpholding]

Latest to miss the news: "Sheshong" on IIDB. Too bad Kesler cotrrected him.

If you find anyone else still using the old name after this, please post notice here.

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

I can't remember if you know about this one JP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf0XvswurvM

[Hamster]

I can't remember if you know about this one JP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf0XvswurvM

I can't see the video but from some of the comments I'm starting to get an idea what calibur this is



Great videos, tehknologik. You debunk Christianity without using historical crap like apologists do

[jpholding]

I can't remember if you know about this one JP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf0XvswurvM

Kabane once brought it to my attention.

The minute I saw a guy who looked like Shaggy from "Scooby Doo" I turned it off. :thumbd:

[Mr Minder]

Do you perhaps remember him from somewhere?

[jpholding]

Do you perhaps remember him from somewhere?

Nope.

[Mr Minder]

Ok.

[jpholding]

Robert Turkel still lists Theology Web as his EXCLUSIVE place for debate, see

http://www.tektonics.org/

Where did you get the idea that Bob would not post here?


Second, James Patrick Holding's real name is Robert Turkel. I was correct to call him "Bob".

From spirit5er, dated 5/30/2008.

10 months behind the times and the latest so far to make the name mistake. :lolo:

(He's also dumb because he doesn't realize I don't post in Apol 301. I do lurk now and then though, to remind myself with dumb posts like his why I don't post there.) :dizzy:

Add: Make that 10 months and 3 days:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=2351941&highlight=turkel#post2351941

[jpholding]

Too funny not to share:

http://www.tourniquetdz.net/bb3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1447&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=20

An idiot atheist (I think it may be JB's "friend" from xanga; he goes as "tire kicker") posted the infidels.org link to responses to me, using both my old name and JPH in his message, thus:



I too used to hold "J.P.Holding" in high regard.

Spend some time reading critiques of Mr. Robert Turkel, and you might get an idea of the regard I hold him in now.




And this ensued


After reading Turkel's page (consisting of pure bilge), I likewise hold him in low regard. Sorry, man...I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. I'm also fairly confident that Holding could eat Turkel's lunch and still make it home in time to catch the Espy's on ESPN.


I'm confused: is Robert Turkel the same person as J. P. Holding? I've been trying to read both pages but it still seems sketchy to me. It's interesting stuff, nonetheless.


Robert Turkel's the atheist in the debate; JP Holding, the Christian. So, they're not the same person.

:lol:

[JonLanceBarker]

From spirit5er, dated 5/30/2008.

10 months behind the times and the latest so far to make the name mistake. :lolo:

(He's also dumb because he doesn't realize I don't post in Apol 301. I do lurk now and then though, to remind myself with dumb posts like his why I don't post there.) :dizzy:

Add: Make that 10 months and 3 days:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=2351941&highlight=turkel#post2351941

Whoops...forgot about that one...:blush:

[JB]

Too funny not to share:

http://www.tourniquetdz.net/bb3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1447&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=20

An idiot atheist (I think it may be JB's "friend" from xanga; he goes as "tire kicker") posted the infidels.org link to responses to me, using both my old name and JPH in his message, thus:



And this ensued







:lol:

Not the same guy, but waaaaaaaaaaaay more hysterical... :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

Hee Hee: (3 weeks ago)






However, J.P. Holding at tektonics.org has done quite a bit of work responding to Infidels.org. If we did a page or two of responses, we would just be replicating his material.
Question: Why doesn't Josh McDowell directly respond to ETDAV criticisms?
Answer: Because Robert Turkel has already done this for him.

The referral to Robert Turkel's is quite startling, given that:

a - Turkel himself doesn't think very highly of ETDAV:



"I am not particularly fond of the arguments offered in Chapter 8 of ETDAV; as I prefer to deal in "hard" data, analogical arguments and what-if propositions are seldom within my purview. When Robby Berry was the author of Jury Chapter 8, I was perfectly content to leave it alone....Let us turn quickly to the matter at hand. Josh McDowell's chapter here is entitled "The Great Proposition" - and within it is asked, "If God came to earth as a human, what would we expect Him to be like?"....As an analogy, and as a tool to understanding, it serves its purpose well; but for reason of personal preference, I would scarcely use it as an apologetic for Christianity."
b - Robert Turkel has himself been soundly refuted at Infidels.org, and has a history of pretending to be somebody other than himself in various internet forums. Josh is now hiding behind Turkel (James Patrick Holding)?! Turkel's buffoonery is what Josh now uses to "answer" his critics?


http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?p=2904325#poststop

[jpholding]

The latest "dumb atheist" to make the name mistake -- is a dumb universalist Christian. Email today, mark: 11 months and 11 days past the official change:


Thank you for posting your answers to our questions about Hell. Your answers are turning many to believe in Universal Salvation J Keep up the good work in proving the Victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Savior of all mankind, especially those who believe. Thanks Bob Turkel. I’ll put in a good word for you at Southern Baptist regarding your apologetics. You couldn’t have done a better job even if you were actually writing an apologetic FOR universalism. Peace, Gary Amirault


Tentmaker Ministries and Publications, Inc.
(address removed)
http://www.tentmaker.org


I congratulated him for being more ignorant than the atheists. :hehe:

BTW the article he refers to is http://www.tektonics.org/gk/hello.html I think things like honor and shame are above his pointed little head.

[The Moonshield]

I like the way that Gary used your (old) name more than the mere fact that he used it at all.

Maybe it's just me, but I get this mental image of him looking you in the face and saying "Thanks for helping us... BOB TURKEL! HAHAHA!" like he was expecting you to scream "What did you say?!? Who told you that name?! Who?!?!? AAAGGHH!!!" and then disintegrate or something.

In fact, I get that feeling from a lot of the people who use your old name. A lot of the people seem to use that name for no better reason than the fact that they believe you really, really don't want them to, as if you were some kind of Rumplestiltskin-like troll living in hiding for fear that if others know your "real" name you will no longer have any power and uttering your (old) name is the only way to stop you.

[Number Six]

I like the way that Gary used your (old) name more than the mere fact that he used it at all.

Maybe it's just me, but I get this mental image of him looking you in the face and saying "Thanks for helping us... BOB TURKEL! HAHAHA!" like he was expecting you to scream "What did you say?!? Who told you that name?! Who?!?!? AAAGGHH!!!" and then disintegrate or something.

In fact, I get that feeling from a lot of the people who use your old name. A lot of the people seem to use that name for no better reason than the fact that they believe you really, really don't want them to, as if you were some kind of Rumplestiltskin-like troll living in hiding for fear that if others know your "real" name you will no longer have any power and uttering your (old) name is the only way to stop you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOr8dln2c5k

[Dee Dee Warren]

tentmaker are also hyperpreterists IIRC

[The Moonshield]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOr8dln2c5k

:lol: That's exactly what I had in mind.

[jpholding]

In fact, I get that feeling from a lot of the people who use your old name. A lot of the people seem to use that name for no better reason than the fact that they believe you really, really don't want them to, as if you were some kind of Rumplestiltskin-like troll living in hiding for fear that if others know your "real" name you will no longer have any power and uttering your (old) name is the only way to stop you.

OK. I admit it. My real name IS Rumpelstiltskin....

...my dog's name is Robert Turkel. :twitch:

[Mr Minder]

And now, you have to give Moonshield the freedom of his kidnapped daughter!

[jpholding]

Unnamed atheist (I can't find out who) is now the latest to make the name mistake on the "For or Against" debate site. 11 months, 15 days.

[jpholding]

4th density becomes the latest victim, thanks to jimbo's Holding Hate Site! :woohoo:

That's 11 months and 21 days out of date!

[ApologiaPhoenix]

Jimbo and DJ have both been absent lately.

I thought I noticed a rise in the collective TWeb IQ....

[Sparko]

Jimbo and DJ have both been absent lately.

I thought I noticed a rise in the collective TWeb IQ....

You have missed 4th Density and Fifteen then, I take it?

[4thdensity]

I find it interesting that Holding-Turkel fixates only on the name thing.
It deflects attention from the main criticisms of Mr.Holding-Turkel being childish, dishonest, evasive in debates and fraudulent in his scholarship.

That's the most telling aspect of this whole scenario.

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

And calling JP 'Holding-Turkel' isn't childish, dishonest, etc? :lolo:

[jpholding]

nthdensity has not yet learned the definition of "hypocrisy". :hehe:

But I'll take his comment as validation that the fixation of atheists on the "name thing" over the years evidences their evasion, dishonesty, poor scholarship, etc. :whistle: Thanks!

[jpholding]

Email from an "R. M. Dee" is the latest victim showing:


Your errors: Operating a so-called ministry under a pseudonym

Wow. 11 months, 27 days --- almost a year now.... :hehe:

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

Hey, no fair. No one bashes me for this. :bawl:

[Raphael]

I would like to know why that is considered a bad thing. why do they even consider it a legitimate objection?

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

Because they don't have any legitimate objections, so they knee-jerk their way out of dealing with it.

[jpholding]

It isn't, but hey -- I've been able to use it all these years as an easy way to assist people in discerning which of my opponents are too shallow to make legit arguments otherwise. :hehe:

[jpholding]

Thanks to Kabane52 for reporting "TruthSurge" as the latest to make the name mistake -- exactly one year after the change became official:


J.P. Holding isn't even the loser's real name. It's Robert Turkel and he used to be a prison librarian and he has diarreah of the mouth and everything he writes contains childish invective and logical fallacies. You won't see him debating anyone because he's afraid to show his real face much less his name! You need to learn the facts and quit relying on misinformed leeches who try to mislead the masses in order to earn a living.

:woohoo:

[Number Six]

used to be a prison librarian

Is there some deep underlying stigma attached to prison librarians that I'm not aware of?

[Raphael]

Is there some deep underlying stigma attached to prison librarians that I'm not aware of?
They like to try to use it to make JP appear to be on the shady side. No I don't understand the logic

[TolkienFan]

Originally posted by Raphael

No I don't understand the logic

Because there is no logic behind it. It's that simple.

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

They like to try to use it to make JP appear to be on the shady side. No I don't understand the logic

I think they want to imply JP was in prison (ie as an inmate.)

[The Moonshield]

Thanks to Kabane52 for reporting "TruthSurge" as the latest to make the name mistake -- exactly one year after the change became official:


J.P. Holding isn't even the loser's real name. It's Robert Turkel and he used to be a prison librarian and he has diarreah of the mouth and everything he writes contains childish invective and logical fallacies. You won't see him debating anyone because he's afraid to show his real face much less his name! You need to learn the facts and quit relying on misinformed leeches who try to mislead the masses in order to earn a living.


:woohoo:

This guy is right; everything you write contains a mountain of childish invective. You really should strive to be less childish and insulting... you know, like this guy. Words and phrases like "loser", "diarreah of the mouth" and "leech" are commonly used by you, but this guy; he avoids such childish invective like the plague.

I think we could all stand to learn a thing or two from TruthSurge and his gentle ways.

[Adrift]

Someone recently called me Adrfit... does that count? He wasn't dumb, nor was he an atheist... He may be a communist, but I'm not certain yet.

[Raphael]

This guy is right; everything you write contains a mountain of childish invective. You really should strive to be less childish and insulting... you know, like this guy. Words and phrases like "loser", "diarreah of the mouth" and "leech" are commonly used by you, but this guy; he avoids such childish invective like the plague.

I think we could all stand to learn a thing or two from TruthSurge and his gentle ways.
You sir are the way to mastering sarcasm.....kudos. :wink:

[TolkienFan]

All hail The Moonshield, Lord of Sarcasm!!!

[jpholding]

knight2 reports a new one, from July 6 -- one year and three days after the fact.



Nomination to DingoDave on DC for this, as well as for being the latest to slip on the name change:

I have long been an admirer of Farrell Till and his 'Skeptical Review', and have read most of his stuff including the material you quoted. His argument is watertight, and I would like to see the S.R. made compulsory reading for all Christian apologists and seminary students. He possesses an incredibly erudite mind, and a vast wealth of Biblical knowlege. I particularly enjoyed watching him destroy the the lame apologetics of that insufferable blowhard, Robert 'no links' Turkel (aka James Patrick Holding). His ruthless demolitions of Turkel's absurd arguments are truly beautiful to behold.

Makes sense that someone who thinks Till is "incredibly erudite" would be this dumb. :lmbo:

[aikidoka]

Thanks to Kabane52 for reporting "TruthSurge" as the latest to make the name mistake -- exactly one year after the change became official:


J.P. Holding isn't even the loser's real name. It's Robert Turkel and he used to be a prison librarian and he has diarreah of the mouth and everything he writes contains childish invective and logical fallacies. You won't see him debating anyone because he's afraid to show his real face much less his name! You need to learn the facts and quit relying on misinformed leeches who try to mislead the masses in order to earn a living.

:woohoo:

I'd be willing to bet that this guy is also a huge fan of the (ir)rationals. You know, those guys who use their real names all the time.

Irony x infinity

[jpholding]

By the way, if any of you see anyone using the old name, be sure and note it here if it is later than the last entry.

[Sparko]

I think I will start using Rob Turkel as a pen name.

[jpholding]

"Vridar" becomes the latest sucker -- one year and one week past the date:

http://vridar.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/authenticity-of-pauls-letters-holding-versus-detering/


Saner folks might find follow-up amusement about Turkel(?mm) (aka J P Holding) at Tektonics.Org Exposed

jimbo better fix all that before he gets an angry mob at his door! :hehe:

[jpholding]

Emailer Brian McNicholas becomes the latest goof to fall for the name game, 1 year and 8 days late:


Dear Bob Turkel,

I realise that you like to boast that there are no dying and rising gods that pre-date Christianity. As you know, you have already been proven wrong and called out on this however things have now got even worse for you. You see a tablet has been discovered that nobody disputes was written 100 year before Jesus which documents a religion which believed in stephen, the dying and rising messiah.

I will happily link you to such a tablet: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4295804.ece

I realsie that your faith now lies in ruins, my dear friend Turkel, however that's not my fault. Don't shoot the messenger eh? I suppose you'll have to close you silly site down now Christianity has been disproven and think of something else to waste your time on.

Don't mean to gloat or anything


And to boot, he wins a Screwball for the argument.

[Raphael]

What's with the sudden rush of fools? We go for some months without the mistake being made and now there is a whole lot of them all at once.

[Mr Minder]

Maybe they've recently hatched?

[MarcusAndreas]

They shall be making the name mistake FOREVAR!!!!!!!!!!
I've noticed the only argument any one is able to make against you is "duh his name is robert turkel"

Well, my name isn't really "MetalMark" (It's a username people!), so everything I say (including this) must be completed disregarded.

[mig_killer2]

Hector "Dr. Stupid" Avalos referred to me by my old name when he first wrote to me, and it has been SEVEN MONTHS since the change! Place your bets! How long will this sort of thing go on? Will they ever wake up to the reality? Or will I have this to make fun of for even longer?

*facepalm* hector avalos? he was complaining that we were using documents from 125 CE to prove that Jesus existed

"heh, you don't know what they could have done in those 50 years!!!" and then he complained that Tacitus' annals were being used because he thinks we shoulden't be using 10th century documents

message for hector "dr. stupid" avalos, A CRAPLOAD OF HISTORY is based on documents with a 1000-year time gap between the autographs and oldest manuscripts.

[lilpixieofterror]

Insults are not arguments, dear... no matter what Bobby says.

Here is the latest idiot to make the name mistake.

[AngelDragon]

I vote we change the title. Whoever uses the name "Robert Turkel" is usually fully aware of the name change, and just use the name to spite. Thus, it's not a mistake.

[Chaotic Void]

Here is the latest idiot to make the name mistake.

I thought Wyz was Banned. :huh:
:shrug:

[Raphael]

I thought Wyz was Banned. :huh:
:shrug:
I guess his banning period is over.....look at it this way, a screwball generator just came back online.

[Chaotic Void]

I guess his banning period is over.....look at it this way, a screwball generator just came back online.

I suppose that's a good thing. I've been pretty short on Screwball Nominations ever since the computer containing Jimbo's Ai broke down...

[jpholding]

Per an email sent to me, Jay Osborne is the latest dumb Skeptic to make the name mistake, on July 27 -- one year and 24 days late.

[4thdensity]

Personally I think Turkel changed his name because true Christians (and his family) were embarassed by him.
Here's an answer to your silly "how long" question Turkel; people will always ignore your "name change" you can't run from it or try and deflect attention from the fact that you changed your name.

I've known several folks that have worked in the penal system and none have ever felt the need to change their name for "safety purposes" or any other reason.
The only people that change their names are those with something to hide.
So you can keep deluding yourself about why people are unresponsive to your name change...

There is accountabilty in the universe and you changing your name won't nullify that. You've been a juvenile dishonest charlatian and your name change won't hide that...no matter what you call yourself you are who you are.

Have a nice day

[TolkienFan]

Originally posted by 4thdensity

Personally I think Turkel changed his name because true Christians (and his family) were embarassed by him.
Here's an answer to your silly "how long" question Turkel; people will always ignore your "name change" you can't run from it or try and deflect attention from the fact that you changed your name.

I've known several folks that have worked in the penal system and none have ever felt the need to change their name for "safety purposes" or any other reason.
The only people that change their names are those with something to hide.
So you can keep deluding yourself about why people are unresponsive to your name change...

There is accountabilty in the universe and you changing your name won't nullify that. You've been a juvenile dishonest charlatian and your name change won't hide that...no matter what you call yourself you are who you are.

Have a nice day

Hey hypocrite!

[Sparko]

I've known several folks that have worked in the penal system and none have ever felt the need to change their name for "safety purposes" or any other reason.

There is a difference between knowing people who WORK in the penal system, and people who ARE in the penal system. I think you know the latter.



The only people that change their names are those with something to hide.
So you can keep deluding yourself about why people are unresponsive to your name change...

So your mom named you 4thdensity? How cruel. Thanks for using your real name here on tweb though.

[jpholding]

Personally I think Turkel changed his name because true Christians (and his family) were embarassed by him.

:lmbo: That makes sense, being that all such people knew I used the dual name to begin with. It's never been what you'd call a "secret".

nthdensity is once again fulfilling his name! :thumb:


I've known several folks that have worked in the penal system and none have ever felt the need to change their name for "safety purposes" or any other reason.

Um, hey, stupid?

1) Some states let people who work in the penal system use an alias at work, which amounts to the same thing.
2) Unless those folks were morons or worked for some, they surely did things (or were told to) like have unlisted numbers, or other equitable precautions.

But that said, how about you give me your real name, address, and phone? I'll pass it on to an old employee of mine:

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=3&From=list&SessionID=110968899

Or maybe this guy? You could have him over for Christmas to play with the grandkids!

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=110968909


The only people that change their names are those with something to hide.

I'll be sure and tell that to Samuel Clemens when I see him... :lmbo:



There is accountabilty in the universe and you changing your name won't nullify that. You've been a juvenile dishonest charlatian and your name change won't hide that...no matter what you call yourself you are who you are.

:bawl:

Poor sportsmanship can be so amusing at times. :whistle:

[4thdensity]

Mr. Tolkienfan runs to Turkel-Holding's aid and calls me a "hypocrite" but that's the standard Turkel-Holding gang response.

But I would much rather deal with the untrue characterization of being a "hypocrite"... than be the butt huggin' Turkel-Holding clown' that Mr. Tolkienfan obviously is.

An internet gang of acrimonious clowns is what the Holding-Turkel mob is. But I guess some folks just need to belong...

OK, that is a bit over the line.

[4thdensity]

I see the Holding-Turkel gang has responded quickly...

One wonders why they feel the need to so vehemently (yet impotently) "defend" Mr. Holding-Turkel from the truth ?

Let's watch this play out shall we ?

[4thdensity]

Mr. Holding-Turkel compares himself to Mark Twain ?
using a pseudonym and changing ones name are 2 entirely different things...Thanks for the laugh...

The ignorance of that is absolutely hilarious...

[jpholding]

I see the Holding-Turkel gang has responded quickly...

Says the whiny whimp who took all of 10 minutes to respond to all of it. :bonk:

As usual, he's too dense to see that he's blowing on himself with his own manure-encrusted fan. :eww:


using a pseudonym and changing ones name are 2 entirely different things

One is a legal procedure while another is not....but the principle is the same.

Besides, moron....I was changing it back to what it USED to be in the first place. :lmbo:

Once again: May we have your real name, so that I may send it to Messers. Hill and Parsons? I'm sure they'd love to become your penpals and maybe even come to visit you at home. :whistle:

How long before his self-esteem drains again? Bets?

[Sparko]

can we change his name to infinitedensity?

[Jnthn]

An internet gang of acrimonious clowns is what the Holding-Turkel mob is. But I guess some folks just need to belong...I guess you "just need to belong" to the collective of comedians who can't get over a legal name change.

A classic case of JPHOCD if there ever was one.

J

[jpholding]

Here's something just for him to post on his wall...

[TolkienFan]

Originally posted by 4thdensity

Mr. Tolkienfan runs to Turkel-Holding's aid and calls me a "hypocrite" but that's the standard Turkel-Holding gang response.

Who is this Turkel-Holding or Holding-Turkel you keep referring to? His name is JP Holding. But it seems that will never get through your infinitely dense skull.

I only call you a hypocrite because you are one.


But I would much rather deal with the untrue characterization of being a "hypocrite"... than be the butt huggin' Turkel-Holding clown' that Mr. Tolkienfan obviously is.

Untrue? Maybe in your little world where you are right and everybody else is wrong, I guess it is. I proved this in the other thread where as this "butt huggin' Turkel-Holding clown" is just your opinion. Oh well. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.


An internet gang of acrimonious clowns is what the Holding-Turkel mob is. But I guess some folks just need to belong...

Still not done with the irrelevant and horrible psychoanalysis huh?

[TolkienFan]

Originally posted by jpholding

How long before his self-esteem drains again? Bets?

It was drained in the first place? I figure he always kept his delusions of grandeur up by constantly singing the "Me, Me, Wonderful Me" song to himself.

[lilpixieofterror]

Since everybody else is having fun with you, it's my turn too!


Personally I think Turkel changed his name because true Christians (and his family) were embarassed by him.

I see, so True ChristiansTM agree with you! :ahem: What is there to be embarrassed about?


Here's an answer to your silly "how long" question Turkel; people will always ignore your "name change" you can't run from it or try and deflect attention from the fact that you changed your name.


Who cares what his name is? It's irrelevant to rather or not what he says is true. Quite a few authors do not use their real name or write under a different name. In fact, JK Rowling (as I recall) didn't use her first name for the longest time and still doesn't include them on the title of the Harry Potter series. Who cares what JPH's 'real name' is? Do you really think my 'real name' is lilangelofterror? Is your 'real name 4thdensity by chance?


I've known several folks that have worked in the penal system and none have ever felt the need to change their name for "safety purposes" or any other reason.
The only people that change their names are those with something to hide.
So you can keep deluding yourself about why people are unresponsive to your name change...

And some do. He has the right to keep himself safe just as I don't give out my address and phone number to people I don't know or online. I don't give my address, phone number, or full name away to anybody online for my personal safety. So will you give all your personal details here to us all right now?


There is accountabilty in the universe and you changing your name won't nullify that. You've been a juvenile dishonest charlatian and your name change won't hide that...no matter what you call yourself you are who you are.

We're all still waiting for you to produce some kind of evidence that he is dishonest. I have read all the web sites about his 'dishonesty' and most of them try to pretend that him not using his real name is evidence of that. It is funny that I do not see any of them giving their personal contact information online. Why don't they? So how dishonest are they or you for not doing the thing you accuse JPH of?

[JB]

:rofl: 4thdensity is back? About time he awoke from the coma we seem to have put him in, I suppose, though one would've hoped that he might have enough sense to not come charging back in to raise the exact same sort of idiotic wails as on previous occasions. But he isn't TheologyWeb's examplar of density to no avail, after all.

[T-Shirt Ninja]

But I would much rather deal with the untrue characterization of being a "hypocrite"... than be the butt huggin' Turkel-Holding clown' that Mr. Tolkienfan obviously is.

An internet gang of acrimonious clowns is what the Holding-Turkel mob is. But I guess some folks just need to belong...

Hey TolkienFan, a new group just got started like Dee Dee's Goon Squad. Looks like 4thdensity made you an official member of the Holding-Turkel Gang. Congrats!

[JB]

:hehe: Something else for the pixie to add to her sig line.

[TolkienFan]

And Sparko.

[Sparko]

I am out of room.

[Raphael]

I am out of room.
use a smaller font

[Chaotic Void]

Personally I think Turkel changed his name because true Christians (and his family) were embarassed by him.
Here's an answer to your silly "how long" question Turkel; people will always ignore your "name change" you can't run from it or try and deflect attention from the fact that you changed your name.

I've known several folks that have worked in the penal system and none have ever felt the need to change their name for "safety purposes" or any other reason.
The only people that change their names are those with something to hide.
So you can keep deluding yourself about why people are unresponsive to your name change...

There is accountabilty in the universe and you changing your name won't nullify that. You've been a juvenile dishonest charlatian and your name change won't hide that...no matter what you call yourself you are who you are.

Have a nice day

So... are you going to actually attempt to refute what he has to say on his website, etc, or are you just here to whine and rant about his name change, which has no relevance to his arguments whatsoever and was done for safety reasons anyways?
Either suck it up and try to refute his arguments or shut up and get the heck out of here.

ETA: JP, the links you provided came up with "Could not find so and so"

[jpholding]

ETA: JP, the links you provided came up with "Could not find so and so"

I guess they change the URLs a lot. :dizzy:

[jpholding]

Emailer Chris Mankey is the latest moron, one year, one month, one day late:



Wow, grade school insults from a moron to cowardly to post under his
real name! You win a coward award "James"!

[aikidoka]

I bet density dude is a card carrying (ir)rational response squad groupie.

[Jnthn]

4thdensity's stupidity is one of the best arguments for legitimate use of riposte ever.

J

[jpholding]

http://theintelligentzone.blogspot.com/2008/08/stupidity-olympics.html

Mike Wright -- one year, one month, 5 days out of date.

[jpholding]

TurdHamburger (aka "TruthHammer") is the latest. One year, one month, 16 days out of date. :thumb:

[Raphael]

Man I was just about to come tell you about that one

[avaya]

TurdHamburger (aka "TruthHammer") is the latest. One year, one month, 16 days out of date. :thumb:

Why are you such an ego maniac? Is it related to childhood?:tongue:

[MarcusAndreas]

JP's just trying to have a little fun at other people's expense.

[lilpixieofterror]

Why are you such an ego maniac? Is it related to childhood?:tongue:

Why are you so stupid? :lol: Dropped on your head alot as a child?

[avaya]

Why are you so stupid? :lol: Dropped on your head alot as a child?

lilpixie: I've found something you may find helpful: link (http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/alot.html) :love:

[ApologiaPhoenix]

Why are you such an ego maniac? Is it related to childhood?:tongue:

Could you please show what JPH is doing that's egomaniacal?

[Frogwarrior]

JP's just trying to have a little fun at stupid people's expense.

fix'd

[ApologiaPhoenix]

All these moral relativists are alike. They shout out moral relativism and then complain about things they find immoral. You think for all the time they spend preaching this gospel they'd at least believe it.

[avaya]

All these moral relativists are alike. They shout out moral relativism and then complain about things they find immoral. You think for all the time they spend preaching this gospel they'd at least believe it.

:lmbo::joa::joa::lmbo::joa:

You don't even know how to define "moral". :b_baby:

Do you enjoy humiliating yourself?

[ApologiaPhoenix]

:lmbo::joa::joa::lmbo::joa:

You don't even know how to define "moral". :b_baby:

Do you enjoy humiliating yourself?

Um. Yeah. I do. Wanna show otherwise or just toss out nonsense?

[Mr Minder]

Who's this avaya guy? :huh:

[lilpixieofterror]

lilpixie: I've found something you may find helpful: link (http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/alot.html) :love:

Can't win with logic, so try spelling errors! :lol:

[jpholding]

Why are you such an ego maniac? Is it related to childhood?:tongue:

Presumably I beat you up badly in some past life? :whistle:



I see TurdHamburger won't give it up. I guess I'll keep a running count...

1 year, 1 month, 17 days

[avaya]

Can't win with logic, so try spelling errors! :lol:

Spelling is minor, the real issue is you not understanding the words you type.

[avaya]

Presumably I beat you up badly in some past life? :whistle:
There goes that ego again :ahem:


I see TurdHamburger won't give it up. I guess I'll keep a running count...

1 year, 1 month, 17 days

It will happen until you die (and if you are lucky a little longer).

[lilpixieofterror]

Spelling is minor, the real issue is you not understanding the words you type.

I don't eh? What is your proof or is this yet another assertion you'll make without evidence? :lol:

[jpholding]

There goes that ego again :ahem:

Hey! Leggo my Ego! :rasberry:


It will happen until you die (and if you are lucky a little longer).

Oh good! I can make fun of idiots who do it the rest of my life! :woohoo:

Say, do you practice at being this stupid, or do you just do it naturally?

[avaya]

Say, do you practice at being this stupid, or do you just do it naturally?

That is a very clever joke. Did you think of that on your own? You are a great Christian scholar, but I bet one of your co-workers from prison helped you come up with that.

Do you have a high school or college degree? Just curious.

[ApologiaPhoenix]

That is a very clever joke. Did you think of that on your own? You are a great Christian scholar, but I bet one of your co-workers from prison helped you come up with that.

Do you have a high school or college degree? Just curious.

JPH doesn't work at a prison. Try again.

Also, he's got a college degree. You really need to learn more like the others with JPHOCD.

Third, are you going to try to show me wrong now? I noticed you didn't respond to me.

[avaya]

JPH doesn't work at a prison. Try again.
I never said he does.


Also, he's got a college degree. You really need to learn more like the others with JPHOCD.
I don't believe you.


Third, are you going to try to show me wrong now? I noticed you didn't respond to me.
You are asking me to "show you wrong" as to why he is an egomaniac inside a thread he made about how stupid people are who can't remember his current name? :lmbo:

[lilpixieofterror]

:lolo: So avaya, when will you answer my challenge to your assertion?

[Meta Knight]

You are asking me to "show you wrong" as to why he is an egomaniac inside a thread he made about how stupid people are who can't remember his current name? :lmbo:

Which is also incidentally the name he was born with. He also changed it back more than a year ago, so you'd think people would have picked up on it by now and stopped saying "Yeah...well his name's not really JP Holding! So there!"

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

Or, some people just think not learning is the pinnacle of um, learning.

[avaya]

:lolo: So avaya, when will you answer my challenge to your assertion?

as soon as you have a challenge I will answer it. lol

[A Deeper Look]

you don't believe that he has a college degree?

right.. i forgot

"i haven't seen it, therefore i don't believe"

gotcha

[avaya]

you don't believe that he has a college degree?

right.. i forgot

"i haven't seen it, therefore i don't believe"

gotcha

I'd believe it if I saw a source. Heck even if you edited his wikipedia entry and linked me to it I'd probably believe it.

[lilpixieofterror]

as soon as you have a challenge I will answer it. lol

:rofl:

And the troll dodges again!

[JonLanceBarker]

I'd believe it if I saw a source. Heck even if you edited his wikipedia entry and linked me to it I'd probably believe it.

He doesn't HAVE a Wikipedia entry. Kooks like you would be all over it. :no:

[JonLanceBarker]

:rofl:

And the troll dodges again!

It's Dodger Jr!!!

[A Deeper Look]

no comment...

[avaya]

He doesn't HAVE a Wikipedia entry. Kooks like you would be all over it. :no:

I take it that means there is no source? If he claimed he had one that would be enough. My standard of evidence is pretty low here...

[lilpixieofterror]

I take it that means there is no source? If he claimed he had one that would be enough. My standard of evidence is pretty low here...

You're intelligence is pretty low too. You could try reading his F&Q page where he mentions his degree and what it is in, but that would require work, huh moron?

[avaya]

:rofl:

And the troll dodges again!

Just cry it out lilpixie. You will be okay :serenade:

[The Moonshield]

So avaya, when will you answer my challenge to your assertion?as soon as you have a challenge I will answer it. lol

avaya, just for future reference, most of the people here don't speak Evasive, so if you'd like to continue this conversation with them, you should probably stick to English.

In the meantime, I've translated avaya's post for those of you who don't speak avaya's native language:



So avaya, when will you answer my challenge to your assertion?

I can't provide any of this "evidence" thing that you guys are always going on about for my assertions, so I'm just going to pretend that your challenge doesn't exist.

There ya go.

[avaya]

You're intelligence is pretty low too. You could try reading his F&Q page where he mentions his degree and what it is in, but that would require work, huh moron?

he makes no such claim. LOL @ U

[lilpixieofterror]

Just cry it out lilpixie. You will be okay :serenade:

Crying of laughing too hard you mean? :rofl: I know you're just trolling now and I'm just helping pushing you along so that everybody can see how big of a moron you are.

[avaya]

avaya, just for future reference, most of the people here don't speak Evasive, so if you'd like to continue this conversation with them, you should probably stick to English.

In the meantime, I've translated avaya's post for those of you who don't speak avaya's native language:



There ya go.
I agree with your translation]. I have a hard time getting through thick skulls on my own sometimes.

[lilpixieofterror]

he makes no such claim. LOL @ U

Did you even look at his page retard? Let me show everybody how retarded you are:

What are your credentials? I have a Masters' Degree in Library Science. What the runs down to is, I'm an expert at looking things up and answering questions.
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/mission.html

Keep digging that hole deeper and deeper. :lol:

[ApologiaPhoenix]

I don't believe you.

You'd best not be calling me a liar.



You are asking me to "show you wrong" as to why he is an egomaniac inside a thread he made about how stupid people are who can't remember his current name? :lmbo:

No moron. I'm asking you to show me wrong that I don't know the definition of moral.

[A Deeper Look]

Did you even look at his page retard? Let me show everybody how retarded you are:

What are your credentials? I have a Masters' Degree in Library Science. What the runs down to is, I'm an expert at looking things up and answering questions.
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/mission.html

Keep digging that hole deeper and deeper. :lol:

Either he won't acknowledge or go to Plan B:

Next Complaint:
"Library Science? ROFL"

[avaya]

dang i guess he does have a college degree. I'm surprised.

[lilpixieofterror]

dang i guess he does have a college degree. I'm surprised.

And why is that?

[Frogwarrior]

And why is that?

because his IQ is smaller than his shoe size

[Mr Minder]

avaya should stick with things that befits him; stand-up comedy. Then, the guards can throw him out.

LPOT, I'm just curious, what was your initial challenge to avaya?

[jpholding]

I'd believe it if I saw a source. Heck even if you edited his wikipedia entry and linked me to it I'd probably believe it.

Sadly, that's probably true even if intended as sarcasm. :no:

[JonLanceBarker]

I agree with your translation

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[avaya]

Sadly, that's probably true even if intended as sarcasm. :no:
:bawl::bawl::bawl:

You are such a whiner when you lose

[A Deeper Look]

must have missed something :huh:

[jpholding]

Neil C. Rinehardt, professional atheist troll, is the latest winner!

1 year
2 months
2 days

out of date! :woohoo:

[avaya]

Neil C. Rinehardt, professional atheist troll, is the latest winner!

1 year
2 months
2 days

out of date! :woohoo:

Do you even know what professional means?

[JonLanceBarker]

He means.... PROFESSIONAL

[jpholding]

Do you even know what professional means?

Why? Were you barred from using dictionary.com because you spent so much time looking up swear words? :hehe:

[jpholding]

Dr William Harwood (Halfwit) still thinks it is a pseudonym -- one year, two months, 6 days later.

[jpholding]

Switch89 here on TWeb is the latest vict-dumb....

One year
Two months
14 days later!

[jpholding]

Mike Wright (surprise!) still using "Turkel"...

One year,
two months,
22 days later!

[MikeWright]

i cant see why you get so worked up about it, although if you dont even know your own name we cant expect you to get anything else right

[jpholding]

Stephen van Eck the latest....

One year
three months late!

[JB]

I stumbled upon a new one (http://www.freebok.net/books/scripta/view.html?page=4)... I think. The page is in Finnish, so it's not terribly easy for me to discern the context. From what I can tell, in a discussion of Zeitgeist, a poster going by 'SJS' linked to the draft I have on line of my Part 1 rebuttal. In response, another guy going by 'Mikko Ellilä' (I'm guessing that's what passes for a name in Finland) said:


"Perinpohjainen Zeitgeist-kritiikki (ei koske 9/11-osuutta)
http://www.xanga.com/JB_Fidei_Defensor/638110989/zeitgeist-rebuttal-speech.html"

"Zeitgeist Rebuttal Speech
[A revised and expanded version of the following rebuttal appears as Chapter 22 in Shattering the Christ Myth: Did Jesus Not Exist? by James Patrick Holding.]"

En itse ole nähnyt Zeitgeist-elokuvaa, mutta en pidä tuota kriitikkoa luotettavana lähteenä.

James Patrick Holding is a pseudonym used by Robert Turkel to write website articles in defense of biblical inerrancy.

Turkel is now trying to sell himself as an apologist who deserves the financial support of Bible believers so that he can become a full-time defender of the faith.

www.theskepticalreview.com/tsrmag/024jph.html

As far as I can discern, the poster is charging me with not being a credible critic because I mentioned you. :duh: And if I've got my Finnish names for months correct, that was posted earlier today, though in our time zone it would've been last night. So somebody is still repeating Till's old junk on the name game.

[jpholding]

Latest dum dums:

http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showpost.php?p=5597934&postcount=51

SkepticBoyLee

http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showpost.php?p=5597934&postcount=52

Sheshong

of IIDB --

One year
three months
seven days out of date!

(And worse yet -- they think skepticbud is a genius!) :lmbo:

[jpholding]

Emailer Christopher Nelson the latest winner --

One year
three months
16 days out of date!

[jpholding]

MetalMark reported:



I got this email from some anonymous lunatic

Subject: Tektonics
TEKTONICS IS A BUNCH OF LIES AND DECEPTION CRAP YOUR GIRLFRIEND BOB TURKEL IS OVERWEIGHT. WHY DO YOU BELIEVE SUCH A LIAR? GO TO "HELL", MORON.
"YOUR GOD" DOESN'T EXIST. IT'S JUST A RIPOFF OF ZOROASTER AND BUDA. IDOT. I DONT HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO SAY. RETARD.


Yep. They reached Nov. 2008, which was the next defined time on the survey. Will they reach five years, the next time limit? That'll be July 2012. We'll see.

[jpholding]

Dang! Emailer Robert Myers takes the title away at once:


and do you have a doctorate...ohhh no. So if Richard Carrier is not a
reputable historian the who is to say you are? It's no even as if J P
Holding is your real name.

One year....
4 months....
9 days out of date! :lol:

[The Curtmudgeon]

A poster using the username "Anonymous" (hmm, fear of owning up to his idiocy, I see) posted on 20 Nov 2008:


They all hang around theologyweb.net and convince each other that their retarded arguments are good. They laugh and jeer at us not realising how stupid they sound. JP Holding (aka Bob Turkel) is the worst through.

The (I'm guessing a single-digit IQ here) Curtmudgeon

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

what is theologyweb.net? :lol: (edit: apparently, after testing, it is a redirect to this site.)

[Pumbelo]

I got this email from some anonymous lunatic

Subject: Tektonics
TEKTONICS IS A BUNCH OF LIES AND DECEPTION CRAP YOUR GIRLFRIEND BOB TURKEL IS OVERWEIGHT. WHY DO YOU BELIEVE SUCH A LIAR? GO TO "HELL", MORON.
"YOUR GOD" DOESN'T EXIST. IT'S JUST A RIPOFF OF ZOROASTER AND BUDA. IDOT. I DONT HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO SAY. RETARD.

Best one so far.

[MarcusAndreas]

Most definitely. :yes:

[MarcusAndreas]

We've got a lunatic here:


U RETRD YOU WENT ANSD WHINED AT UR OVERWEIGHT GIRLFRIEND BOB TURKEL I See,,, IN HSI SCREWBAL THRED... HUST BECDASD U LUAGH AD MY RATOINALTY DISNT MEAN UR RIGHT... JEEZ U THEISTSS ARE SOOO STUPID.

[Mr Minder]

n00bs... :ahem: Whatever that is supposed to mean...

That's some good s*** theyz smokin'!

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

MikO, you're not supposed to use - or hide - profanity.

[Mr Minder]

:teeth: How do you do know I didn't mean:

That's some good stuff theyz smokin'!

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

...because stuff a) isn't four letters long, and b) you wouldn't need to hide it with asterisks.

[Mr Minder]

My bad, and additionally, my spelling error.

[jpholding]

Wee Willie Harwood is still at it...

One year
6 months
later!

[Chrs]

Who the hell are you? :tongue:

[jpholding]

Who the hell are you? :tongue:

My name is RUMPELSTILTSKIN!

[Chrs]

My name is RUMPELSTILTSKIN!

Whats up with the name thing, anyway?

[jpholding]

Whats up with the name thing, anyway?

New here? :hehe:

http://www.tektonics.org/jphforever.html

It used to be a leading argument against my work, maybe the best one. Not any more.

[Chrs]

New here? :hehe:

http://www.tektonics.org/jphforever.html

It used to be a leading argument against my work, maybe the best one. Not any more.

Not new here :P August '08 joining. Just interested as to why on earth a name matters...

[TolkienFan]

Well, ask most of his critics. By their logic, the fact he used a pseudonym was an argument against him.

[MikeWright]

Well, ask most of his critics. By their logic, the fact he used a pseudonym was an argument against him.
a)If someone cant even get there own name right then how can we expect them to get anything else right
b)If they lie about their name then they are dishonest
c)It suggests he is to embarased by his arguments to associate his real name with them

[jpholding]

Not new here :P August '08 joining. Just interested as to why on earth a name matters...

That's relatively new. :tongue:

Why? Ask someone like Mike here....

[Chrs]

a)If someone cant even get there own name right then how can we expect them to get anything else right
b)If they lie about their name then they are dishonest
c)It suggests he is to embarased by his arguments to associate his real name with them

*sighs distastefully*

So JP, hows it going? ^^

[TolkienFan]

Originally posted by MikeWright

a)If someone cant even get there own name right then how can we expect them to get anything else right
b)If they lie about their name then they are dishonest
c)It suggests he is to embarased by his arguments to associate his real name with them

Instead of taking apart the fallacies here one-by-one, how about I just ask a simple question:

What do you think about Voltaire?

[jpholding]

*sighs distastefully*

So JP, hows it going? ^^

It's almost gone. :hehe: Like your avatar. I saw ads for that show all over the LA airport when I went there last month.

[MarcusAndreas]

Not new here :P August '08 joining. Just interested as to why on earth a name matters...


DUH!!! Obviously if his name is Bob Turkel (which it is!!!) then we can't believe a SINGLE WORD HE SAYS. Turkel thinks he can distract himself from his LIES and DECEPTION by pretended his name is JP Holding... but he failed!


































Don't mod me for this. I'm not actually accusing him of lying
Chris (I accidentally wrote Christ :hehe:), I'm pretty much with you... why on Earth does a name mattter? :huh:
Oh. Mike. Rook Hawkins isn't his real name. Thanks for proving him wrong. :rasberry:

[Chrs]

"It is the words you write, the painting you paint, the music you make- the name is merely written on the frame" - ...Somewhere.

Also, Yeah. Im going to see wicked in summer for exam present! :)

You better catch it, JP.

[jpholding]

A guy who just won a Screwball for pushing Lloyd M. Graham is the latest victim...and he appeals to Till's site as a source!

One year
six months
5 days out of date!

[Darth Executor]

Is Till still moving?

[jpholding]

Is Till still moving?

It's hard to say. There have been no updates to his page in years. His forum is so dead that he's probably recruiting the Viagra spambots by now.

It has me wondering if there's a Weekend at Bernie's thing going on over there.

[jpholding]

Latest victim of Till writes me:


I apologize for contacting you. I have done some research on you and your beliefs, and would not have bothered with you had I known.
Sorry I wasted both of our time.
David (My real name!)

One year
six months
3 days out of date! :rofl:

[Andius]

Latest victim of Till writes me:



One year
six months
3 days out of date! :rofl:

:shrug: Better late than never, I guess....hehehe.

[jpholding]

Emailer Doug Wodke is the latest victim...based on his use of a copy of DJ's old blog....

One year
six months
12 days out of date!

[jpholding]

Emailer sending me an anonymous note is the latest victim --

One year
six months
19 days out of date!

[MarcusAndreas]

Fundy atheist says:

Pathetic sheep. You refuse to face facts so you come up with lies. I see you have pages by Bob Turkel in your links... ha. Pathetic. Pathetic. Pathetic.

[wildrow12]

Mark, is this the same guy who thinks Quetzalcoatl is a Norwegian deity?

[MarcusAndreas]

Yes.

[JB]

Mark, is this the same guy who thinks Quetzalcoatl is a Norwegian deity?

:twitch::twitch::twitch:

[Mr Minder]

Actually, think about it:

Quetzalcoatl; white-skinned god travelling away over the sea on a giant serpent (at least as I've read it)

Balder; white-skinned god, travelling to the other world on a funeral dragonship...

:teeth:

[jpholding]

Richard Carrier bootlicker AIGBusted is the latest:


I see our Christian friends are tacitly admitting that Carrier whooped Bobby Turkel by the fact that they have nothing but ad hominems to spew at Carrier.

Come up with a rebuttal to Carrier's work or shut up and take your licks.

Also wins for not knowing about my rebuttal. :hehe:

One year
seven months
22 days out of date!

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

I reckon this is a thread that will always have new entries to add to it. :ahem:

[jpholding]

Fundy atheist emailer Doug Wodke is the latest sucker...

One year
seven months
25 days out of date!

[jpholding]

DJ's Useful Idiot LJGPMH is the latest:

One year
eight months
7 days out of date!