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Richbee
September 27th 2003, 09:03 AM
The Zohar reveals the idea of a plurality-in-unity is not foreign to Jewish thinking. While the medieval mystics' idea is different from the Christian idea of the Trinity, the basic idea of a plurality within the one God still holds. The passage from the Zohar, commenting on the Sh’ma, reads as follows:

"Hear, O Israel, YHVH Elohenu YHVH is one." These three are one. How can the three Names be one? Only through the perception of Faith: in the vision of the Holy Spirit, in the beholding of the hidden eyes alone. The mystery of the audible voice is similar to this, for though it is one yet it consists of three elements--fire, air, and water, which have, however, become one in the mystery of the voice. Even so it is with the mystery of the threefold Divine manifestations designated by YHVH Elohenu YHVH--three modes which yet form one unity.

Source: Zohar, III: Exodus 43b, Soncino translation.

For more discussion, or to jaw bone with some Jewish posters, see:

http://forum.theatlantic.com/WebX?.2cb42678

Richbee
September 27th 2003, 09:05 AM
Oh, By-the-Way (BTW), please post references to the Old Testament where you discern scriptural support for the plurality of God's nature.

With God all things are possible!

stillsmallvoice
September 29th 2003, 05:40 AM
Hi all!

See http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq026.html !

Be well!

ssv :hi:



SSV, normally we do not allow argument by weblink. Please reproduce at least some of the relevant portions of the article here and then link to it unless the copyrights dictate no copying. It will also get the article read, instead of posters seeeing who it was from and ignoring it. Thanks a lot!!

Richbee
November 8th 2003, 09:32 PM
Jews for Judaism?

No thanks, those are the Anti-missionaries!

I believe the plurality of God is revealed in Exodus 40!

The glory of the Lord - Cloud - as the Holy Spirit of God.

stillsmallvoice
November 9th 2003, 09:43 AM
Hi all!

Richbee posted:


No thanks, those are the Anti-missionaries!

That, while true, is beside the point. The point is that we Jews will have the authoritative say on what is in one of our sacred texts. Just as it would be absurd to take what a Buddhist says about the Qur'an as the authoritative word (for that, you go to a Muslim), it is similarly absurd to take what Christians say about the Zohar as being authoritative.


I believe the plurality of God is revealed in Exodus 40!

:huh:

Be well!

ssv :hi:

Richbee
November 12th 2003, 09:38 PM
God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow!

stillsmallvoice
November 13th 2003, 07:12 AM
Hi all!

Richbee posted:


God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow!

Quoth the great Homer Simpson :bow: (the episode in which he got his hand stuck in the cold drink machine at the nuclear power plant), "Your point being?"

Be well!

ssv :hi: