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  • Unbiased study essentially shows liberals are social undesirables

    Wasn't sure if I should put this in the NatSci thread or here, but since it was a social science study, I decided to put it here.

    The study was conducted by Virginian academicians in American Journal of Political Science. What makes it unbiased is that, contrary to what was initially thought before and during the the study -- that conservatives were more inclined to show less "Social Desirability" than liberals -- to their dismay, the complete opposite was true.

    Here's the original study...

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...cal_Ideologies


    And here's commentary on it...

    After the usual long winding path through the existing literature and exhausting discussion of their methodology, we get to some analysis and conclusions, and this is where the fun starts. There’s a lot of jargon and highly technical discussion as usual, but some comprehensible copy:

    In line with our expectations, P [for “Psychoticism”] (positively related to tough-mindedness and authoritarianism) is associated with social conservatism and conservative military attitudes. Intriguingly, the strength of the relationship between P and political ideology differs across sexes. P‘s link with social conservatism is stronger for females while its link with military attitudes is stronger for males. We also find individuals higher in Neuroticism are more likely to be economically liberal. Furthermore, Neuroticism is completely unrelated to social ideology, which has been the focus of many in the field. Finally, those higher in Social Desirability are also more likely to express socially liberal attitudes.

    Here I must explain that “Social Desirability” is a social science term that essentially translates into common sense language as someone who self-consciously wants to get along. Keep this in mind as we get to the epic correction. Keep also in mind where the authors also express some surprise that “neurotic” people would turn out to be liberals and support the welfare state:

    People higher in Neuroticism tend to be more economically liberal. What is intriguing about this relationship is that it is in the opposite direction of what past theories would predict. . . That is, neurotic people are more likely to support public policies that provide aid to the economically disadvantaged (public housing, foreign aid, immigration, etc).

    Now if you’re still with me, take in the opening of this very long correction:

    The authors regret that there is an error in the published version of “Correlation not Causation: The Relationship between Personality Traits and Political Ideologies” American Journal of Political Science 56 (1), 34–51. The interpretation of the coding of the political attitude items in the descriptive and preliminary analyses portion of the manuscript was exactly reversed.

    I’m just going to let that sit there for a moment while you swallow your beverage and put your cup or glass down so as not to risk damage to your keyboard. To continue:

    Thus, where we indicated that higher scores in Table 1 (page 40) reflect a more conservative response, they actually reflect a more liberal response. Specifically, in the original manuscript, the descriptive analyses report that those higher in Eysenck’s psychoticism are more conservative, but they are actually more liberal; and where the original manuscript reports those higher in neuroticism and social desirability are more liberal, they are, in fact, more conservative.

    If you go back to the excerpts above and swap out the ideological categories you will have to suppress a horselaugh. Liberals are more prone to “psychoticism” (which the authors hasten to explain doesn’t meant “psychotic,” but what the hell. . .), and hence authoritarianism, which would come as no surprise to any conservative who pays attention to authoritarian liberalism. And people higher in Social Desirability will turn out to be conservatives, which is also congruent with the many simpler survey findings that conservatives are happier than liberals.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...the-decade.php

  • #2
    Who cares?

    I thought conservatives didn't trust political science, social science, or psychology. I guess it depends on the results.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
      Who cares?
      Because one error-ridden study that differs to other studies in its results definitively proves his point!

      Whatever that point was.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
        Who cares?

        I thought conservatives didn't trust political science, social science, or psychology. I guess it depends on the results.
        Liberals love science - until it proves them wrong.

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        • #5
          And this thread could be titled 'conservatives ignore science unless it confirms their biases"

          Not that a thread title is an argument.

          Oh, Sor, clean up your inbox

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          • #6
            Those liberals and their political science, you can't trust studies.

            *Study comes along that agrees with their idea.*

            Oh, now they are completely reliable, and don't you dare challenge the experts.Gomer.gif

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            • #7
              You guys look like you're in panic mode lol. Calm down

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
                And this thread could be titled 'conservatives ignore science unless it confirms their biases"

                Not that a thread title is an argument.

                Oh, Sor, clean up your inbox
                Gomer.gifI cleaned my box in the name of Murica'. Gomer.gif

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by seanD View Post
                  You guys look like you're in panic mode lol. Calm down
                  Ain't no panicin' around here. We just agreein with ya', Sean. drinkin2.gif

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by seanD View Post
                    You guys look like you're in panic mode lol. Calm down
                    I posted one of those links to the study/retraction in the shoutbox a couple days ago, since I didn't feel like making a thread about it at the time and I figured that one of the site's conservatives would be happy to make a thread about it (why deny them the fun?). I also figured that they'd make some stupid thread title that obscures the actual meaning of the study. But you fumbled this story even worse than I expected.

                    This study provides at least a minimal opening to discuss the connection between contemporary progressivism and authoritarian tendencies or psychological patterns. It could be an opportunity for introspection. Not that the folks around here who need more introspection are susceptible to it or the ones that are more susceptible to it really need it, but even so, you done goofed.

                    Both sides deserve better, and both sides can give better than this thread suggests.
                    Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                      I posted one of those links to the study/retraction in the shoutbox a couple days ago, since I didn't feel like making a thread about it at the time and I figured that one of the site's conservatives would be happy to make a thread about it (why deny them the fun?). I also figured that they'd make some stupid thread title that obscures the actual meaning of the study. But you fumbled this story even worse than I expected.

                      This study provides at least a minimal opening to discuss the connection between contemporary progressivism and authoritarian tendencies or psychological patterns. It could be an opportunity for introspection. Not that the folks around here who need more introspection are susceptible to it or the ones that are more susceptible to it really need it, but even so, you done goofed.

                      Both sides deserve better, and both sides can give better than this thread suggests.
                      Nah, it's pretty funny, considering the initial objective of the study was to find the reverse results. Now they imply political impartiality as a disclaimer when the results had to be flipped. Come on, lighten up, that's funny.

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                      • #12
                        I agree with the study, but I still do not trust Psychological Studies, and that goes for most of the social sciences.
                        Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by seanD View Post
                          Nah, it's pretty funny, considering the initial objective of the study was to find the reverse results. Now they imply political impartiality as a disclaimer when the results had to be flipped. Come on, lighten up, that's funny.
                          The thing itself is slightly amusing, but your presentation of it is pathetic.
                          Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                            I posted one of those links to the study/retraction in the shoutbox a couple days ago, since I didn't feel like making a thread about it at the time and I figured that one of the site's conservatives would be happy to make a thread about it (why deny them the fun?). I also figured that they'd make some stupid thread title that obscures the actual meaning of the study. But you fumbled this story even worse than I expected.

                            This study provides at least a minimal opening to discuss the connection between contemporary progressivism and authoritarian tendencies or psychological patterns. It could be an opportunity for introspection. Not that the folks around here who need more introspection are susceptible to it or the ones that are more susceptible to it really need it, but even so, you done goofed.

                            Both sides deserve better, and both sides can give better than this thread suggests.
                            I was surprised it wasn't seer this time, tbh, as you posted the study when you were chatting with me in da box.

                            Seriously though, half the reason I post here is because it keeps me up to date on whatever crazy nonsense the hardcore right is butthurt about so I know how to answer my vols questions

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
                              I was surprised it wasn't seer this time, tbh, as you posted the study when you were chatting with me in da box.

                              Seriously though, half the reason I post here is because it keeps me up to date on whatever crazy nonsense the hardcore right is butthurt about so I know how to answer my vols questions
                              The heck are you going on about? How does the thread translate to "crazy nonsense hardcore right" being "butthurt"? Judging by to the initial objective of the study, it wasn't done by those of the political right at all

                              Sheesh, dude, chill out.

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