Creation Story

[Jack777]

I am convinced that the story of creation begins and ends with Genesis 1:1

[Philosophickle]

What do you mean?

[Jack777]

The story of creation begins and ends with this sentence:

In Beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

In John, He says pretty much the same thing but elaborates a bit.

Create as a verb in Genesis in the bara sense, not the asah sense kind of creation.

[Philosophickle]

What about the rest of the creative activities listen in Gen 1-2?

[Jack777]

Those are not acts of creation as bara or making as in manufacturing, shaping or reshaping in Genesis 1:2

[KBertsche]

Those are not acts of creation as bara or making as in manufacturing, shaping or reshaping in Genesis 1:2
So how do you explain the occurrance of bara in 1:21; 1:27; and 2:3-4?

[Paintbucket]

It seems like a nice tidy summary and it is. If everything ever created is mentioned here then it works. But this makes no mention of man, so how can the story begin and end here? After all, this is creating. Isn't conceptualizing an idea the same as actually producing it?

[rogue06]

IMHO Genesis 1:1 is the complete Creation account in the same way that Matthew 1:1 is a complete account of Jesus' genealogy

[Jack777]

I answered to Genesis 1:2 mistakenly, not Genesis 1-2 as it was put.

True, God continually creates in some sense and true conceptualizing is a kind of creation.

I mean the Creation Story is limited to Genesis 1:1

Adam and Eve were created before they were cast out of The Garden of Eden into this part of creation. There were people here when they got here.

[Paintbucket]

So where did those people come from?

[Collier]

I am convinced that the story of creation begins and ends with Genesis 1:1

So far as the physical universe is concerned (the heavens and the earth), I am convinced you are right. But the earth that is described in Gen. 1:2 was devoid of life, and actually hostile to life. No light at all was getting through the "garment of cloud" (Job 38:9) - until Gen. 1:3.

But later, after the sky and the dry land and the seas were in place, God created things that have LIFE. Granted, bodies are physical. But there is a vast difference between a body that has life and one that has just been run over by a truck. And you can't measure the difference in physical units.

So I accept the Genesis record that God created living beings during days three to six, and not "in the beginning".

[Jack777]

You are close to what I think in some respects.

[mantic]

Jack777 is correct.

Genesis 1:1 summed it up. Solomon uttered his support of Divine Planning, in regards to the sphere we exist upon, as well as life's subsequential aspects of relativity [Einstein did not invent it] being predicated upon the Divine will, as opposed to evolution without purpose and meaning:

"TO EVERY THING THERE IS A SEASON, AND A TIME TO EVERY PURPOSE UNDER HEAVEN: A TIME TO BE BORN, AND A TIME TO DIE; A TIME TO PLANT, AND A TIME TO PLUCK UP THAT WHICH IS PLANTED; A TIME TO KILL, AND A TIME TO HEAL; A TIME TO BREAK DOWN, AND A TIME TO BUILD UP; A TIME TO WEEP, AND A TIME TO LAUGH; A TIME TO MOURN, AND A TIME TO DANCE; TO A TIME TO CAST AWAY STONES, AND A TIME TO GATHER STONES TOGETHER' A TIME TO EMBRACE, AND A TIME TO REFRAIN FROM EMBRACING; A TIME TO GET, AND A TIME TO LOSE; A TIME TO KEEP, AND A TIME TO CAST AWAY; A TIME TO REND, AND A TIME TO SEW; A TIME TO KEEP SILENCE, AND A TIME TO SPEAK; A TIME TO LOVE, AND A TIME TO HATE; A TIME OF WAR, AND A TIME OF PEACE." [Ecclesiastes 3:1-8]

The creation did not begin with man's discoveries of the wonders which were necessary to develop his intellect; on the contrary, it was man's intellect that was predicated upon the creation and its concealed relative knowledge. Its design was, thus, obviously intentional, as is evidential in respect of the hidden wonders which subsequently developed man's intellect and world. You would not even know how to count, or think, if it were not for the creation and its sacred geometric aspects. The knowledge is worthless without man and man is nothing without the knowledge. It is the communicability and benefit of this knowledge hidden in it to man, that demonstrates the existence of God, and His reason for creating man and the creation.

Solomon wrote that, the conclusion of all knowledge, is that it exists solely to exercise men:

"And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore trevail hath God given to the sons of men to be exercised therewith". [Ecclesiastes 1:13]

To man, wisdom is his accomplishments; to God, wisdom is His!

Without both, the other would not have been comprehended, so as to magnify the contrasting difference of the two, leading to the knowledge of the One that is of God!

This is the reasoning on which Solomon wrote of the relative connection of all things..