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TolkienFan
March 12th 2008, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by John Powell

Wasn't Papias the guy who thought Judas died by bloating and then getting crushed by a chariot against a wall because there wasn't enough room?

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=2270448&postcount=196

I'm just curious. Is this claim actually true about Papias? It was immaterial in the argument we were having, but I'm still curious if this claim is true.
rogue06
March 12th 2008, 06:07 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=2270448&postcount=196

I'm just curious. Is this claim actually true about Papias? It was immaterial in the argument we were having, but I'm still curious if this claim is true.
According to wikipedia...
According to a scholium attributed to Apollinaris of Laodicea, Papias also related a tradition on the death of Judas Iscariot, in which Judas became so swollen he could not pass where a chariot could easily and was crushed by a chariot, so that his bowels gushed out (Papias Fragment 3, 1742-1744).
And according to this article, Without Judas, History Might Have Hijacked Another Villain (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/09/weekinreview/09gibson.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) from the New York Times:
In the second century, a bishop, Papias, was already relating a legend that Judas ended his days so bloated he could not see out of his swollen eyes and could not walk down a wide road. Papias wrote that Judas stank and urinated pus and worms, and was so immobile he was crushed by a chariot.

Hope this helps.
PatristicArcana
March 13th 2008, 10:19 AM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=2270448&postcount=196

I'm just curious. Is this claim actually true about Papias? It was immaterial in the argument we were having, but I'm still curious if this claim is true.

Here's a translation of the primary source:

"Judas walked about in this world a sad example of impiety; for his body having swollen to such an extent that he could not pass where a chariot could pass easily, he was crushed by the chariot, so that his bowels gushed out."
(Papias, Fragments 3, in Ante-Nicene Fathers 1:153)