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DesertBerean
06-14-2016, 08:39 PM
Pray this isn't so! If so, of course the family and everybody involved will need all the prayers we can offer!

http://abc7.com/news/gator-pulls-child-into-water-near-disney-resort-in-orlando-officials-say/1386138/

Catholicity
06-14-2016, 09:59 PM
I saw this. If it happened it was a freak accident. Alligators are large ambush predators and no matter what this was not preventable.

DesertBerean
06-14-2016, 10:13 PM
They're having a live broadcast on this.

DesertBerean
06-14-2016, 10:53 PM
:frown: child hasn't been found yet.

http://www.wjhg.com/content/news/REPORT-Alligator-pulls-2-year-old-child-into-Seven-Seas-Lagoon-at-Disney-World-383062121.html

jpholding
06-15-2016, 07:55 AM
I visited the place this happened, not long ago. There are signs posted warning against swimming. The water is dark and you'd never see a gator until it was right on top of you. This is one of the hazards of living here in Florida, and sadly, this family from Nebraska was not prepared for it.

Cerebrum123
06-15-2016, 07:57 AM
:sad:

DesertBerean
06-15-2016, 08:41 AM
I read that about the signs. I've seen the gators in a visit in the Everglades and I know what you mean about the water. But I wondered about the beaches in a resort...surely they couldn't be that murky...but I guess so.

jpholding
06-15-2016, 09:09 AM
I know, you'd think not. But the lakes here in Central FL are always murky once you get out into water more than a couple of inches deep. I think it may be because the bottom is dark, or because there's so much microscopic debris in the water. Technically the "beach" at this place is just a strip of sand a few feet wide, probably sand they imported from somewhere else; at least, it didn't look natural to me when I went for my visit.

rogue06
06-15-2016, 09:33 AM
I visited the place this happened, not long ago. There are signs posted warning against swimming. The water is dark and you'd never see a gator until it was right on top of you. This is one of the hazards of living here in Florida, and sadly, this family from Nebraska was not prepared for it.
Do they warn about the presence of gators? I mean who would expect to come across one in an artificial lake in the middle of Disneyland where everything is so closely monitored and controlled.

jpholding
06-15-2016, 09:44 AM
I don't recall the sign mentioning gators. I do believe (but don't know, I obviously never stay in any of these tourist traps) that they hand out brochures which warn about gators as well as snakes.

Beyond that, the lake doesn't LOOK artificial. They've done a pretty good job of making it look natural; leastways you'd have to be a longtime resident here to see any difference. The artificial beach is the only apparent clue, and a tourist might not get that.

rogue06
06-15-2016, 11:12 AM
I don't recall the sign mentioning gators. I do believe (but don't know, I obviously never stay in any of these tourist traps) that they hand out brochures which warn about gators as well as snakes.

Beyond that, the lake doesn't LOOK artificial. They've done a pretty good job of making it look natural; leastways you'd have to be a longtime resident here to see any difference. The artificial beach is the only apparent clue, and a tourist might not get that.
FWIU lakes in central Florida are not safe to swim in even if they managed to keep gators out. There is, as you mentioned, the snake issue (much harder to control) as well as being mosquito breeding grounds and since many are like retention ponds and are very polluted with things like bird feces (lots of migrating birds come through) and even less savory things.

jpholding
06-15-2016, 12:29 PM
You understand correctly. They're especially bad in warm weather when brain-eating bacteria are active. No one with any sense here swims in the lakes. You either go to one of the springs, or to the ocean (take a chance with sharks and rip currents instead) or you find a public pool. (Some people will water-ski or jet-ski in the lakes, I'd consider even that risky.)

This message has been brought to you by the Florida Tourism Council, home of Governor Lex Luthor, who serves as a first hand warning about the dangers of brain-eating bacteria.

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Christianbookworm
06-15-2016, 12:51 PM
You understand correctly. They're especially bad in warm weather when brain-eating bacteria are active. No one with any sense here swims in the lakes. You either go to one of the springs, or to the ocean (take a chance with sharks and rip currents instead) or you find a public pool. (Some people will water-ski or jet-ski in the lakes, I'd consider even that risky.)

This message has been brought to you by the Florida Tourism Council, home of Governor Lex Luthor, who serves as a first hand warning about the dangers of brain-eating bacteria.

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I thought it was a brain eating protist. And why aren't there any reporters writing about how scummy corrupt politicians are? Are good reporters a fictitious species? And is the search for the poor kid's remains? Because it would take a miracle for the child to be recovered alive. Or would it?

DesertBerean
06-15-2016, 12:54 PM
CBW, they are indeed now in recovery mode. That was confirmed in the conference this morning I believe.

As for the governer, I don't know the answer. We have enough problems here with Brown. :sigh:

DesertBerean
06-15-2016, 01:35 PM
There is a report they have recovered A body. No confirmation that it is the child.

rogue06
06-15-2016, 01:45 PM
:pray:

The body was recovered, intact. He was drowned.

DesertBerean
06-15-2016, 02:37 PM
The body has been officially identified. Here's a more complete story.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/us/alligator-attacks-child-disney-florida/

jpholding
06-15-2016, 04:41 PM
Mrs H reminded me of something: Gators don't get that aggressive with humans UNLESS HUMANS HAVE BEEN FEEDING THEM.

The press conference we just watched had the local sheriff saying there were no reports of people feeding gators at the resort. I'd imagine not, since I don't expect people who do that will self-report it. But gators will normally avoid humans and be afraid of them -- just like bears or many other animals will be -- unless people are doing things to reduce that fear.

Sadly it's most often people from out of state who will feed gators.

The press here made some issue of the fact that there were indeed only signs warning against swimming, not against gators specifically. I know that at a couple of the parks we visit, there are signs near lakes warning against feeding gators, like this one, which I have seen personally:

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Yes -- there's even a state law against it. This story is an example of why. And knowing Disney, they didn't put up signs this specific out of fear it would make people less "happy" on their Disney vacation.

jpholding
06-15-2016, 04:45 PM
372.667 Feeding or enticement of alligators or crocodiles unlawful; penalty.--

(1) No person shall intentionally feed, or entice with feed, any wild American alligator (Alligator mississippiensis) or American crocodile (Crocodylus acutus). However, the provisions of this section shall not apply to:

(a) Those persons feeding alligators or crocodiles maintained in protected captivity for educational, scientific, commercial, or recreational purposes.

(b) Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission personnel, persons licensed or otherwise authorized by the commission, or county or municipal animal control personnel when relocating alligators or crocodiles by baiting or enticement.

(2) For the purposes of this section, the term "maintained in protected captivity" means held in captivity under a permit issued by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission pursuant to s. 372.921 or s. 372.922.

(3) Any person who violates this section commits a Level Two violation under s. 372.83.

That's a second degree misdemeanor.

Here's another sign I've seen before...

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DesertBerean
06-15-2016, 05:13 PM
Wow, that's a pretty stiff penalty, but I imagine we all have similar laws where people tend to think it's cute to feed wildlife...

Christianbookworm
06-15-2016, 05:14 PM
Wow, that's a pretty stiff penalty, but I imagine we all have similar laws where people tend to think it's cute to feed wildlife...

Considering that the consequences of feeding alligators is that humans may become alligator chow...

DesertBerean
06-15-2016, 05:16 PM
...or bear chow. For some reason people don't try to feed mountain lions but I guess everybody already know cats hurt you a lot.

jpholding
06-15-2016, 06:42 PM
Wow, that's a pretty stiff penalty, but I imagine we all have similar laws where people tend to think it's cute to feed wildlife...

Heh, yeah. Around here they probably think it's funny to feed gators because they seem like living trash cans that will swallow anything you throw at them. We saw that sort of sentiment at a restaurant in Georgia a few months ago....

http://thecopperpigbbq.com/

While we were there Mrs H warned someone that this "feed the gators" thing could encourage people to think it was OK to do the same thing anywhere. By FL law the Copper Pig's exhibit would probably be illegal....or maybe they'd stick it under "recreational" in section (a).

KingsGambit
06-15-2016, 07:19 PM
That reminds me of the bison herd they keep in Hays, Kansas. They had problems with tourists to whom it didn't occur that it may be a bad idea to taunt an 800 pound animal that naturally charges.

rogue06
06-16-2016, 08:16 AM
...or bear chow. For some reason people don't try to feed mountain lions but I guess everybody already know cats hurt you a lot.
This reminds me of the significant number of people that are killed and injured trying to approach bison and moose thinking they're harmless and cute and want to take a picture next to them. I think the notorious line from Jurassic Park parodied so well below




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Jedidiah
06-16-2016, 01:00 PM
Had a fellow out near Glennallen, Alaska who was mauled when he tried to pet a black bear rummaging through the trash.

fm93
06-16-2016, 01:02 PM
Heh, yeah. Around here they probably think it's funny to feed gators because they seem like living trash cans that will swallow anything you throw at them. We saw that sort of sentiment at a restaurant in Georgia a few months ago....

http://thecopperpigbbq.com/

While we were there Mrs H warned someone that this "feed the gators" thing could encourage people to think it was OK to do the same thing anywhere. By FL law the Copper Pig's exhibit would probably be illegal....or maybe they'd stick it under "recreational" in section (a).
We here in the rest of Georgia like to pretend that Brunswick doesn't exist. You see why.

DesertBerean
06-16-2016, 01:15 PM
Had a fellow out near Glennallen, Alaska who was mauled when he tried to pet a black bear rummaging through the trash.
:doh:

jpholding
06-17-2016, 11:54 AM
We here in the rest of Georgia like to pretend that Brunswick doesn't exist. You see why.

Lousy stew?

jpholding
06-19-2016, 09:32 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/airboat-captain-disney-gators/

Very good item here by an airboat operator that puts the dangers in perspective.

Cerebrum123
06-19-2016, 12:04 PM
Had a fellow out near Glennallen, Alaska who was mauled when he tried to pet a black bear rummaging through the trash.

Maybe he just seemed friendly like this guy.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/Is7Q3RXQKtjkA/200.gif

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fm93
06-20-2016, 01:47 PM
Maybe he just seemed friendly like this guy.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/Is7Q3RXQKtjkA/200.gif

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You can't help but smile upon seeing this. Such an affable-looking bear.

*immediately watches The Revenant