lifesharer
March 28th 2008, 01:30 PM
I have come to a place in my studies where i am forced to engage the reasons and rules for WHY that definite article "THE" preceding the word Pneuma ( spirit) MUST refer to the Holy Spirit. Is this a RULE well established by the BIBLE, or merely a rule of tradition, or based on some other sound reason?
The REASON I must know as much as possible about this is because it bears on the translation of such passages as Rom 8: 1- 17 and other where the reference to the (S)pirit is made.
Keep in mind ... I am NOT a Greek scholar but a mere layman with many years of study and christian thought behind me , when you reply.
The reason for my question lies in a simple fact : when we are regenerated by the Holy Spirit (john 3:6) our human spirit being rebirthed; the scriptures are saying that it is the self same HUMAN "spirit" and that it was from and in Christ Jesus (1Cor. 15: 45, 2Cor. 4: 10-11, rom.7: 6, ) that replaces our old damaged human spirit from Adam. This change then, makes us partakers of the " divine NATURE" ( that perfect human spirit that was in Christ as the last Adam,) not that we become divine, but rather that perfect nature God originally created divinely in Adam; (body, soul and spirit / breath of life, Gen2:7, 1Thess. 5: 23) , that was lost through sin and replaced through Christ.
I am not going to be persuaded of the error of that position, only I would understand the historical , grammer and other reasons for the rendering of "Spirit" in rom 8:2 & 9 which would be better rendered the "spirit" of life IN Christ Jesus as we see Paul teaching elsewhere (Rom7:6 for example). and in verse 9 where the pneuma Christou is best rendered "spirit Christ". It would appear that the committee that worked on these passages in the KJV did not grasp the concept of spirit rebirth or of the translation of the spirit in Christ to us at our regeneration. This perfect ( functioning and whole) human spirit essential to us to become spiritually minded and receive guidance and revelation from the Holy Spirit ( 1 Cor.2:9-16) Which then explains the whole meaning of Rom. 8: 1-17 when this is understood.
Consider also the OT text of Ezekiel 36:27 where the new "(s)pirit" we receive is NOT the Ruach Ha'Kodesh or Holy Spirit, but is still God's ("my spirit") spirit ! Who is God ? Christ Jesus.
I am seeking constructive dialouge and information please, not argument or issues not germain to this specific point : what are the rules for the definite article "the" and where did these rules come from?
If you wish to dialouge on regeneration or those points i make in this post you do not agree with or perhaps would understand better; send me a note here , ty.
Lifesharer
The REASON I must know as much as possible about this is because it bears on the translation of such passages as Rom 8: 1- 17 and other where the reference to the (S)pirit is made.
Keep in mind ... I am NOT a Greek scholar but a mere layman with many years of study and christian thought behind me , when you reply.
The reason for my question lies in a simple fact : when we are regenerated by the Holy Spirit (john 3:6) our human spirit being rebirthed; the scriptures are saying that it is the self same HUMAN "spirit" and that it was from and in Christ Jesus (1Cor. 15: 45, 2Cor. 4: 10-11, rom.7: 6, ) that replaces our old damaged human spirit from Adam. This change then, makes us partakers of the " divine NATURE" ( that perfect human spirit that was in Christ as the last Adam,) not that we become divine, but rather that perfect nature God originally created divinely in Adam; (body, soul and spirit / breath of life, Gen2:7, 1Thess. 5: 23) , that was lost through sin and replaced through Christ.
I am not going to be persuaded of the error of that position, only I would understand the historical , grammer and other reasons for the rendering of "Spirit" in rom 8:2 & 9 which would be better rendered the "spirit" of life IN Christ Jesus as we see Paul teaching elsewhere (Rom7:6 for example). and in verse 9 where the pneuma Christou is best rendered "spirit Christ". It would appear that the committee that worked on these passages in the KJV did not grasp the concept of spirit rebirth or of the translation of the spirit in Christ to us at our regeneration. This perfect ( functioning and whole) human spirit essential to us to become spiritually minded and receive guidance and revelation from the Holy Spirit ( 1 Cor.2:9-16) Which then explains the whole meaning of Rom. 8: 1-17 when this is understood.
Consider also the OT text of Ezekiel 36:27 where the new "(s)pirit" we receive is NOT the Ruach Ha'Kodesh or Holy Spirit, but is still God's ("my spirit") spirit ! Who is God ? Christ Jesus.
I am seeking constructive dialouge and information please, not argument or issues not germain to this specific point : what are the rules for the definite article "the" and where did these rules come from?
If you wish to dialouge on regeneration or those points i make in this post you do not agree with or perhaps would understand better; send me a note here , ty.
Lifesharer