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makemesmile
July 8th 2008, 11:41 AM
I have been reading this and thought I'd ask, "What is the purpose of sex, from God's perspective? How, or should, that change our perspective? If the design of sex is to produce children, establish a new family unit and emotional ties, then I can see a very good argument for keeping it to the marriage bed, even if the exact language is a little fuzzy.


Even in our sexually liberated culture, women still feel much differently about casual sex then men do. While I realize the original question was about committed relationships, I think this study should have some bearing. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1031259/Casual-sex-left-feeling-worthless-night-stand-left-woman-emotionally-destroyed.html
Overall, women feel used the night after. In my opinion (no study here) if you are in a long term relationship that breaks up after having sex, the affect is similar. The woman feels used. It has usually only been to fulfill 1 of the 3 areas mentioned above, emotional ties.


Something else I was wondering. let's say that the term virgin as used on the O.T truly does only apply to females. It was considered a shame worthy of stoning is an unmarried female was a prostitute or sexually active, correct? It seems that if one-half of the population needed to have sex is kept from it, then the other half must be "sex free" as well. Especially since homosexual, and foreign relations were forbidden. Am I missing something here?

Chappie
August 12th 2008, 09:45 AM
I have been reading this and thought I'd ask, "What is the purpose of sex, from God's perspective? How, or should, that change our perspective? If the design of sex is to produce children, establish a new family unit and emotional ties, then I can see a very good argument for keeping it to the marriage bed, even if the exact language is a little fuzzy.


Even in our sexually liberated culture, women still feel much differently about casual sex then men do. While I realize the original question was about committed relationships, I think this study should have some bearing. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1031259/Casual-sex-left-feeling-worthless-night-stand-left-woman-emotionally-destroyed.html
Overall, women feel used the night after. In my opinion (no study here) if you are in a long term relationship that breaks up after having sex, the affect is similar. The woman feels used. It has usually only been to fulfill 1 of the 3 areas mentioned above, emotional ties.


Something else I was wondering. let's say that the term virgin as used on the O.T truly does only apply to females. It was considered a shame worthy of stoning is an unmarried female was a prostitute or sexually active, correct? It seems that if one-half of the population needed to have sex is kept from it, then the other half must be "sex free" as well. Especially since homosexual, and foreign relations were forbidden. Am I missing something here?

Perhaps love, committment, sex, children; all blessed...

Perhaps God wanted us to have a higher committment to sex than Rover...

themuzicman
August 12th 2008, 09:51 AM
The way Genesis 1 and 2 describes man and woman as creation, one could infer that sex is first and foremost an image of God, and, just as the two become one flesh, it images how He is both One and Creator.

Michael

ApologiaPhoenix
August 12th 2008, 10:03 AM
Which really confirms the point. People who say "It's just sex" don't know what they're talking about.

Children are the ones who are solely interested in satisfying their own desires at the moment. Adults should know better. That's not saying those times of strong desire don't come up. They most certainly do. That is when someone uses a virtue called self-control and realizes that they will handle things just fine. You can wait. You've waited this far.

Consider also the mixed messages our society sends on sex. A TV show or movie is rated for "mature audiences only" because it has people having sex. If this is "just sex," why does it have to be for mature audiences only? If it's no big deal, heck, bring in the little ones. Let them come in and tell them that when they've hit puberty, they should find someone as quickly as possible and have at it.

Why is it considered something for the mature only if "It's just sex."? (Never mind again, that really, there is a lot of immaturity in items that are for a mature audience only.)

What about adult bookstores? Isn't that the strangest term? This isn't for adults. This is for kids who have the bodies of adults.

Please note also, I'm not against playfulness in sexuality. I believe that in a relationship of a married couple, the bedroom ought to be a wild and crazy place of pleasure. A couple should have a passionate sex life and while they're not announcing it to the world, it should be apparent to the world.

And oh yes, the church can do better in this area also. It seems the world teaches the pleasure side of sex while the church teaches the negative side. The church needs to be teaching the positive side! We're the ones who should be enjoying it the most. Instead, I have sat on sermons on sexuality in church and been bored. Yes. I, a young single man have been bored when hearing a sermon on sex. I hate to say it, but if you can take the topic of sex and make your listeners bored, you're not doing a good job.

Finally, this is also a problem with the women's lib movement. Men are different from women and it is not just in bodily function. It is also in how their emotions and their minds work. One of the greatest disservices we've done to men and women is to try to claim that they're perfectly equal.

Alsharad
August 12th 2008, 10:15 AM
I'd have to agree completely with ApologiaPhoenix.

My own thoughts on the matter are thus:
Primarily, everything in scripture (and by extension, life) is designed to tell us about God or about ourselves. I see, in marriage in general, and sex in particular, a picture of the Triune God. Biological functions aside for the moment, sex is one of the few acts where humans can merge on every level. It is physically, psychologically, and emotionally intimate. It is as close to being "one" with another person as is humanly possible. In my opinion, it gives us a glimpse of the eternal relationship between the persons of the Godhead. Complete intimacy, love, affection, respect, joy, pleasure, etc. these are aspects of the relationships of the persons within the Godhead that we can directly experience simultaneously in sex.

Darth Executor
October 5th 2008, 09:39 AM
Please note also, I'm not against playfulness in sexuality. I believe that in a relationship of a married couple, the bedroom ought to be a wild and crazy place of pleasure. A couple should have a passionate sex life and while they're not announcing it to the world, it should be apparent to the world.

:hrm:

:lmbo:

Manwë Súlimo
October 5th 2008, 02:25 PM
:hrm:

:lmbo:

Ah, the mental images that are invoked... :lol:

Zero Tolerance
December 21st 2008, 07:20 PM
I don't think I have ever seen a more through response to the fallacious "it's just sex" stance. That was an amazing post to read (as was the one following it. Than you for that insight, and I totally agree that Christian churches should do a better job of talking about intimacy within marriage.

One "problem" with the mainstream presentation of sex is that it has to be "dirty" to be appealing. What's up with that? Why purposefully sully what God wanted to be holy? Well, we know the answer to that, don't we?