Why Palin is a brilliant pick

[Calminian]

Obama blew it by not picking Hillary. No I don't like Hillary, but the woman has amazingly energized fans. Palin, exposes obama's weak choice. Palin is a solid conservative who will make all conservatives happy. She's attractive both outward and inward (personality). And the ostensible weakness of having little experience can't be emphasized too much by democrats, because they would be undercutting the head of their ticket as well. McCain is proving to be a cunning scrapper. I'm starting to love him.

[Spinyn00bman]

"She's attractive both outward and inward (personality)."

Hmmm...I am wondering if this sentence would be here if it was a male pick.

What does her attractiveness have to do with her ability to be a VP?

[themuzicman]

Same thing that Obama's looks had to do with his getting the nomination.

Except that I expect that she has more substance behind the smile.

(and Obama made the right choice not picking Hilary. Were she the VP, he'd be dead of an apparent suicide before June '09)

[rogue06]

She appears to be a real reformer rather than a poser. While her conservative positions on such issues as guns, energy and abortion will make the conservatives happy I don't know if they'll help very much in wooing Hillary supporters.

I think the biggest negative she may present is that she'll blunt the charge of Inexperience against Obama even though her's has been as an executive (small town mayor and governor), while Obama's time in the Senate has been spent running for president. Not to mention the fact that the inexperience is on the top of the Democrat's ticket.

It'll be interesting to see how she does against Biden in a debate.

[Calminian]

"She's attractive both outward and inward (personality)."

Hmmm...I am wondering if this sentence would be here if it was a male pick.

What does her attractiveness have to do with her ability to be a VP?

Well, Obama does have a great look and it has benefited him. Obama also has a great personality. These are the attributes that got him to where he is. More power to him. McCain's draw is his life story, and his decision making, and individualism, and experience. The Palin pick accentuates his attributes. The guy is shrewd, you have to admit. That's the kind of leader we need right now. And I actually like Palin's experience over Baracks.

[Shadow Phoenix]

Not saying it's correct Spiny, but looks do sell. Consider that in the Kennedy/Nixon debate, those who heard on the radio thought Nixon won and those who saw on TV thought Kennedy won. An attractive profile sells.

And yes, I think this is an excellent pick on McCain's part. I also think that she'd be great taking the main office herself some day.

[Jaltus]

Inspired pick. I really did not think she was on the radar too much, which was a shame since she was the perfect choice to highlight Obama's mistakes both politically and in terms of experience.

He preaches change with no message whereas she has lived change with little preaching.

[Darth Executor]

(and Obama made the right choice not picking Hilary. Were she the VP, he'd be dead of an apparent suicide before June '09)

Why wasn't he dead of an apparent suicide while they were both still running?

[Alsharad]

He preaches change with no message whereas she has lived change with little preaching.

I just thought that quote was awesome. It should be a campaign slogan for McCain-Palin!

[themuzicman]

Why wasn't he dead of an apparent suicide while they were both still running?

Hilary wouldn't have control over the investigation that would follow.

Michael

[Alsharad]

Why wasn't he dead of an apparent suicide while they were both still running?

No guarantee of the Presidency... if he's already Prez and bites it, the job is hers without question.

[themuzicman]

How many Democrats are going to take the 'L' out of her name?

[Alsharad]

How many Democrats are going to take the 'L' out of her name?

Don't know, but if they do, they will have to answer why they had to get the 'L' out of there when Palin came on the scene!

:lol:

[Calminian]

...(and Obama made the right choice not picking Hilary. Were she the VP, he'd be dead of an apparent suicide before June '09)

If she gets Pelosi's job I'll be worried about the winning ticket either way. :lol:

[themuzicman]

How is Hilary going to get Pelosi's job?

[Calminian]

How is Hilary going to get Pelosi's job?

same way nancy got it? :huh: cause she's third in li.... you know how..... ner mind.... :ahem:

[$cirisme]

same way nancy got it? :huh: cause she's third in li.... you know how..... ner mind.... :ahem:

Um, Pelosi is in the House, Hillary is in the Senate.

You shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[casaba]

I see McCain's choice as a syptom of what is wrong with presidential elections today. The idea of a vice president is to pick someone who would be the best president, god forbid something hapens to the elected one. There is no possible way for McCain to justify his pick by this very simple criterium.

Yes, everything is subjective; there could be a number of people that qualify as 'the best president', in which case other factors can be considered. But for the good of the country, the minimum requirement for selection should be 'the best president material'. I haven't heard anyone here explain why Gov. Palin so qualifies.

[Calminian]

It'll be interesting to see how she does against Biden in a debate.

The only downside, of course, will be if she comes off as a lightweight. My favorability toward this pick is probably premature. I don't know much about her yet, but everything so far is reassuring.

[Calminian]

Um, Pelosi is in the House, Hillary is in the Senate.

You shouldn't be allowed to vote.

When did I say Hillary was in the house? Not sure you should be allowed to post. :doh:

[Calminian]

I see McCain's choice as a syptom of what is wrong with presidential elections today. The idea of a vice president is to pick someone who would be the best president, god forbid something hapens to the elected one. There is no possible way for McCain to justify his pick by this very simple criterium.

Yes, everything is subjective; there could be a number of people that qualify as 'the best president', in which case other factors can be considered. But for the good of the country, the minimum requirement for selection should be 'the best president material'. I haven't heard anyone here explain why Gov. Palin so qualifies.

Because she's actually been on the executive side of government and proven to be competent. Obama has never run anything. She has.

[$cirisme]

When did I say Hillary was in the house? Not sure you should be allowed to post. :doh:

A Senator can't be the Speaker of the House. Just admit you made a mistake, otherwise this is golden signature material.

[Calminian]

A Senator can't be the Speaker of the House. Just admit you made a mistake, otherwise this is golden signature material.

I certainly would if it did. My joke was that if Hillary got pelosi's job, the presidential ticket would be in trouble. I made no mention about staying a senator and getting her job. Yes I did know Pelosi was speaker of the house. She'd have to get it the way every other congressman does (oops, congressperson). I can see where there's confusion, so I'll confess the joke fell short. Will that work for you?

[Calminian]

....otherwise this is golden signature material.

I would actually be honored if you would lie about me in your sig.
Don't make accusations of lying

[Calminian]

Another interesting thing about the experience issue. If something were to happen to McCain, Palin would do exactly as Barack did, and appoint a VP that balances her out. So basically, if the unthinkable happened, a Palin presidency would look like a Barack presidency, except for the fact that she actually has more executive leadership experience than Barack.

[Shadow Phoenix]

I see McCain's choice as a syptom of what is wrong with presidential elections today. The idea of a vice president is to pick someone who would be the best president, god forbid something hapens to the elected one. There is no possible way for McCain to justify his pick by this very simple criterium.


Yes. God forbid. We'd have a strong pro-life president who didn't even want to murder her own son when the doctors said he'd have Down's, who is for the second amendment, who is saying that ethics is what matters most, and who has experience as a leader.

We are in so much trouble if she gets in there.....

[Spinyn00bman]

Not saying it's correct Spiny, but looks do sell. Consider that in the Kennedy/Nixon debate, those who heard on the radio thought Nixon won and those who saw on TV thought Kennedy won. An attractive profile sells.

And yes, I think this is an excellent pick on McCain's part. I also think that she'd be great taking the main office herself some day.

But I don't recall people talking about how "good looking" Obama is, like it should matter.

Much of what I have read and listened to today makes mention of her physical appearance and only then, oh yeah, by the way...she is a pretty good Gov to boot.

And yes I know, that's just the way it is...doesn't mean it shouldn't be pointed out.

[Shadow Phoenix]

But I don't recall people talking about how "good looking" Obama is, like it should matter.

Much of what I have read and listened to today makes mention of her physical appearance and only then, oh yeah, by the way...she is a pretty good Gov to boot.

And yes I know, that's just the way it is...doesn't mean it shouldn't be pointed out.

Spiny. I have been smiling mainly about all the good she has done, but it could just be part of the idea of the female. We seem to equate by nature the female with beauty. (And hey. I sure don't disagree. They are the fairer sex.)

[Calminian]

But I don't recall people talking about how "good looking" Obama is, like it should matter.

Excuse me? Heard of Obama girl?


Much of what I have read and listened to today makes mention of her physical appearance and only then, oh yeah, by the way...she is a pretty good Gov to boot.

And yes I know, that's just the way it is...doesn't mean it shouldn't be pointed out.

When was the last time we even elected a president with a receding hairline. Looks play a role, let's face it.

[Spinyn00bman]

Obama GIrl is one exception.

Go ahead...do a google search and see what people are saying about Palin and TRY to tell me it is the same thing...

[Darth Executor]

Hilary wouldn't have control over the investigation that would follow.

Michael

When JFK died the house did the investigation. I'd also imagine there would be multiple investigations anyway.

But all this is overshadowed by the fact that Hillary had no guarantee Obama would pick her as VP (quite the opposite, it's been obvious from early in the primary that Obama and Hillary couldn't stand her and that she wouldn't get to be VP).

[Darth Executor]

No guarantee of the Presidency... if he's already Prez and bites it, the job is hers without question.

There's also no guarantee of Obama making her VP if he wins.

[Calminian]

Obama GIrl is one exception.

Go ahead...do a google search and see what people are saying about Palin and TRY to tell me it is the same thing...

How about the women on The View oogling over his looks? Do they count? And I'm pretty sure Paris Hilton said he was hot.

[Spinyn00bman]

How about the women on The View oogling over his looks? Do they count? And I'm pretty sure Paris Hilton said he was hot.

Did you google it?

[rogue06]

I seem to remember Obama’s running mate making a reference to physical appearance… Oh yes, here it is.


Senator Joe Biden, D-Del., the loquacious chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who launched his presidential campaign today, may be experiencing an ailment not entirely unknown to him: foot in mouth disease.

Biden is taking some heat for comments he made to the New York Observer, in which he said of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., a rival for the nomination: "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."



Source[/b] ( http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=2838420 b)

So Joe Biden’s first impression was based upon Obama’s looks and manner: “articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.”

[Trusty]

Palin runs a government, Obama and Biden run their mouths.

I like this pick. She is everything that McCain, Obama, and Biden are not: An Executive. I hope they keep with experience as an issue, her record stacks up well in the mix. She has accomplished what the other three talk about: Change and reform.

She also has it all over Hillary in that she is both traditionalist and feminist. Plus, Palin doesn't sound shrill when she speaks.

Not to mention, even though they are downplaying her right now on purpose to keep expectations low, she should wipe the floor with Biden in a debate. She's smart and tough.

Plus, she is hot and can kill moose.

I honestly was undecided until today. Left or right politics don't really affect my life much...both sides pander to the middle class, where I am, and I prefer changing hearts instead of laws on social issues, so that doesn't wrap my faith up on "the issues" like it does other Christians, but all that said, Palin won me over. I may vote this year after all.

[Calminian]

Did you google it?

No I actually watched them one morning a while ago. And you saw the Biden quote, right?

[Calminian]

Palin runs a government, Obama and Biden run their mouths.

I like this pick. She is everything that McCain, Obama, and Biden are not: An Executive. I hope they keep with experience as an issue, her record stacks up well in the mix. She has accomplished what the other three talk about: Change and reform.

She also has it all over Hillary in that she is both traditionalist and feminist. Plus, Palin doesn't sound shrill when she speaks.

Not to mention, even though they are downplaying her right now on purpose to keep expectations low, she should wipe the floor with Biden in a debate. She's smart and tough.

Plus, she is hot and can kill moose.

I honestly was undecided until today. Left or right politics don't really affect my life much...both sides pander to the middle class, where I am, and I prefer changing hearts instead of laws on social issues, so that doesn't wrap my faith up on "the issues" like it does other Christians, but all that said, Palin won me over. I may vote this year after all.

Good to hear, Trusty. For me economics is a far second to foreign policy and dealing with hostilities abroad (drilling is a part of that). McCain is the only one I trust from all the recent candidates on both sides to take us through the near future.

[casaba]

I like how the qualifier is now "executive experience". Somehow, I imagine that if the candidate not from your party were the newly elected governor of a rather small state (yes, population wise), previous to that the mayor of a sub-10k population town, and that your party's candidate had the 4 years experience as a US senator and 8 as a state leglistor, that "experience" would still be an issue but somehow "executive" wouldn't be included. (Note that the 'you' and 'your' here can refer to anyone.)

I agree that Obama doesn't have executive experience; Palin has far less experience in politics, particularly on a national level. I haven't done the research for the exact numbers, but I feel pretty comfortable venturing that that there has been no previous candidate for vice president who has recieved fewer total votes (i.e. sum of votes recieved in all previous elections). Feel free to say that such a stat is meaningless, positions is all that matter. I agree. Just don't try to claim that she has significant experience in politics. She is a newcomer, far more so that Obama.

[Spinyn00bman]

I like how the qualifier is now "executive experience".

Now?

Somehow, I imagine that if the candidate not from your party were the newly elected governor of a rather small state (yes, population wise), previous to that the mayor of a sub-10k population town, and that your party's candidate had the 4 years experience as a US senator and 8 as a state leglistor, that "experience" would still be an issue but somehow "executive" wouldn't be included. (Note that the 'you' and 'your' here can refer to anyone.)

So...are you saying you don't understand the difference between executive experience and legislative experience? Seems like it...

I agree that Obama doesn't have executive experience;

It is a fact. Wether you choose to agree or not is irrelevant.

Palin has far less experience in politics, particularly on a national level.

Years spent doing what...on both sides?


I haven't done the research for the exact numbers, but I feel pretty comfortable venturing that that there has been no previous candidate for vice president who has received fewer total votes (i.e. sum of votes recieved in all previous elections). Feel free to say that such a stat is meaningless, positions is all that matter. I agree. Just don't try to claim that she has significant experience in politics. She is a newcomer, far more so that Obama.

Gotta define your type...

[Chuck Lee]

Woo woo!
:banana: :b_mac:

I'm a swing voter who has been leaning toward Obama, but McCain may have just tilted me back in his direction. If McCain had been nominated by the Republicans in any previous election, I would have voted for him. This time around, I don't like some of the positions he's taking. Meanwhile, Obama is a dynamic and very charismatic kinda guy, and I've always considered charisma to be the most important quality for a prez.

This pick tells me that McCain is serious about reforming government, and (as usual) isn't afraid to make waves with his party. Palin and McCain seem to have a lot in common in that regard. I want the next president to make a serious effort to reduce government spending, and at least it looks like McCain will be willing to work on that. I'm leery of his willingness to spend freely on overseas entanglements, and of course Palin is a bit weak on the experience thingy.

In any case, I'm looking at a win-win scenario with Obama on one side and McCain+Palin on the other. Whoever I vote for, I won't mind a bit if the other side wins. That presidential glass ceiling has a huge crack in it now!

[casaba]

...are you saying you don't understand the difference between executive experience and legislative experience? Seems like it...

Gotta define your type...

No, Spiny, all I am saying is that Palin has very little experience overall. I agree with what rogue06 said very early on: It will be more difficult for McCain to claim that Obama's lack of experience disqualifies him as president when McCain's own choice for VP has a similar, if not even greater, lack of experience. (Again, as rogue06 pointed out, their experiences are different: while hers is executive in nature, most of it has been over a town of 9,000 people; his has not been executive but has been in senates, both state and national.)

I think the claims of "executive experience" here are attempts by supporter of McCain to justify lack of experience of his pick for VP while still trying to criticize Obama's lack of experience.

---

As for you question on my last claim, I think you misunderstood me. I was making no reference to "type" of experience. I was suggesting a (perhaps arbitrary, perhaps not) measure of 'political experience' based on the number of popular votes an individual has won in all previous elections in which they have stood as a candidate. Again, based on Palin's previous posts (mayor of Wasilla and governor of Alaska), I would suggest that she is likely to be least 'voted for' VP candidate in recent history.

[Note that I am qualifying my previous claim to only 'recent history'; knowing how populations have increased, even the population of Alaska is relatively large compared to states a hundred year ago. Again, no research on my part, just guesses. Oops, I did just look up a couple numbers out of curiosity:

pop of Alaska: 680,000
pop of 13th distict of Illinois (which Obama represented for 8 years): 800,000

Enjoy.]

[Shadow Phoenix]

Yeah. Let's just ignore those 13 years or so that Palin has held office. She obviously has no experience in politics.....

[casaba]

Let's just ignore that 4 of those year were as city councillor and 6 more years as mayor of town with a population smaller than a large concert venue. All of 3 years* of her experience has been at a state level (none at the federal level). Yes two of those have been as Governor; I respect that. But hardly a time span one would call 'experienced'.

Again, all that I am saying is that Palin's experience hurts greatly any claim by McCain that Obama lacks the experience to be president. Hopefully the only essential credential to be a VP is that one has the minimum requisites to be president. If Palin's experience qualifies her, I cannot see a reasonable argument that Obama' experience is not sufficient.


* One of those 3 years was as an appointed commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.

[Shadow Phoenix]

Let's just ignore that 4 of those year were as city councillor and 6 more years as mayor of town with a population smaller than a large concert venue. All of 3 years* of her experience has been at a state level (none at the federal level). Yes two of those have been as Governor; I respect that. But hardly a time span one would call 'experienced'.

Again, all that I am saying is that Palin's experience hurts greatly any claim by McCain that Obama lacks the experience to be president. Hopefully the only essential credential to be a VP is that one has the minimum requisites to be president. If Palin's experience qualifies her, I cannot see a reasonable argument that Obama' experience is not sufficient.


* One of those 3 years was as an appointed commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.

Geez. I thought that the idea was the president ran the nation. McCain does have experience in the areas that Palin doesn't. That will be to the benefit.

But if you don't want to vote for someone because they lack experience, great! It means Obama won't get your vote then!

[Jaltus]

I like how the qualifier is now "executive experience". Somehow, I imagine that if the candidate not from your party were the newly elected governor of a rather small state (yes, population wise), previous to that the mayor of a sub-10k population town, and that your party's candidate had the 4 years experience as a US senator and 8 as a state leglistor, that "experience" would still be an issue but somehow "executive" wouldn't be included. (Note that the 'you' and 'your' here can refer to anyone.)

I agree that Obama doesn't have executive experience; Palin has far less experience in politics, particularly on a national level. I haven't done the research for the exact numbers, but I feel pretty comfortable venturing that that there has been no previous candidate for vice president who has recieved fewer total votes (i.e. sum of votes recieved in all previous elections). Feel free to say that such a stat is meaningless, positions is all that matter. I agree. Just don't try to claim that she has significant experience in politics. She is a newcomer, far more so that Obama.

I think you are forgetting how small the country was when we first were born. There certainly were Presidents with fewer career votes than Palin has had.

Anyway, I think Biden was a good choice for Obama, and you will note that nobody made fun of Biden or Obama for picking him. However, the Dems are calling McCain insane and crazy for picking Palin. Why is it that they need to call names instead of just talking about politics? should the Republicans call the Dems insane for making their top choice someone with less political experience than the GOP VP candidate?

[casaba]

Jaltus, keep reading (above); I did catch my likely error in that number of votes claim.

As far as criticizing Palin, I think the only claim has been (again) that, assuming McCain chose a VP with the qualifications to be president, Palin's experience shows that Obama's experience is sufficient. It is the constant attacks on Obama's experience (which were again posted by supporters of McCain/Palin here) that are now meaningless. Would you agree?

(And ApoligiaPhoenix, once again you completely missed my point. You somehow manage to change to topic to McCain's national level experience--but not executive--being a good match with Palin's rather local exective experience. Maybe so. But then you do exactly as I describe above: you contine the attack on Obama's level of experience. Once again: if Obama's level of experience disqualifies him from being president, then Palin should be disqualified as VP. Plain and simple.)

[$cirisme]

I just noticed I made Jaltus' signature. :thumb:

[Jaltus]

Jaltus, keep reading (above); I did catch my likely error in that number of votes claim.

As far as criticizing Palin, I think the only claim has been (again) that, assuming McCain chose a VP with the qualifications to be president, Palin's experience shows that Obama's experience is sufficient. It is the constant attacks on Obama's experience (which were again posted by supporters of McCain/Palin here) that are now meaningless. Would you agree?

I would not agree. Simply put, McCain has more experience than Obama. Biden has more experience than Palin. Frnakly, I think the Dems have their ticket upside-down.

[casaba]

Jaltus, you claim is clearly true and nobody (that I trust) would claim otherwise.

I stand by my claim that if Palin's experience qualifies her to be for president (as I would argue should be the case for any VP), then Obama's experience likewise qualifies him to be president. McCain and his supporters are free to emphasize his greater amount of experience; however, any claim that Obama's lack of experience disqualifies him from being president--a claim that has been made repeatedly and I would be happy to google and provide links to, if you doubt me--are inconsistent.

I agree with your statement above. Will you agree with mine?

[shadowmaster]

Go ahead...do a google search and see what people are saying about Palin and TRY to tell me it is the same thing...

That was easy.

Get serious.

Katty Kay, BBC: "And along comes somebody like Obama, who has all sorts of charisma, he is ridiculously good looking!"

I hear alot about how good looking Obama is. He looks like a goofy big eared dumbo to me, but my dislike of his politics and messiah like cult following might be tainting my opinion. Not that I gauge the looks of presidential candidates, but I also don't usually hear so many comments about how a presidential candidate's "youth and good looks" are such a major part of his image. If this is going to be a real factor in whether or not this guy is our next president, I want to know.

Germans aren't comfortable with that and they want to embrace America again. Obama would be the perfect person to allow them to do so. His personal background intrigues Germans, his political style is uplifting, and he is charismatic and good-looking.

Pennsylvania’s governor, Ed Rendell, for example, said despite being “well-spoken, charismatic, good-looking,” Obama’s skin color posed a problem for Pennsylvanians.

.....................................................

[Lotus]

Jaltus, you claim is clearly true and nobody (that I trust) would claim otherwise.

I stand by my claim that if Palin's experience qualifies her to be for president (as I would argue should be the case for any VP), then Obama's experience likewise qualifies him to be president. McCain and his supporters are free to emphasize his greater amount of experience; however, any claim that Obama's lack of experience disqualifies him from being president--a claim that has been made repeatedly and I would be happy to google and provide links to, if you doubt me--are inconsistent.

I agree with your statement above. Will you agree with mine?

Your logic is inescapable, Casaba. :)

[Jaltus]

Jaltus, you claim is clearly true and nobody (that I trust) would claim otherwise.

I stand by my claim that if Palin's experience qualifies her to be for president (as I would argue should be the case for any VP), then Obama's experience likewise qualifies him to be president. McCain and his supporters are free to emphasize his greater amount of experience; however, any claim that Obama's lack of experience disqualifies him from being president--a claim that has been made repeatedly and I would be happy to google and provide links to, if you doubt me--are inconsistent.

I agree with your statement above. Will you agree with mine?

But I do not think Palin's experience is enough for her to be Pres, only VP. That is exactly why I think the Dem ticket is upside down.

[$cirisme]

But I do not think Palin's experience is enough for her to be Pres, only VP. That is exactly why I think the Dem ticket is upside down.
The whole purpose of having a VP is that they will be ready to step in to be President at any moment.

I think McCain picked a great running mate, she will attract a lot of votes, but a terrible Vice President.

[Rusty T]

Bleh. No one is ready to be President. The only one probably closer than anyone is the current Vice President . . . but we know that ain't happening.

rusty

[Rusty T]

http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/aug/30/tale-of-the-tape-sarah-palin-vs-barack-obam/

I love it.

[Calminian]

The whole purpose of having a VP is that they will be ready to step in to be President at any moment.

I think McCain picked a great running mate, she will attract a lot of votes, but a terrible Vice President.

If something were to happen to president McCain, Palin would do exactly what Obama has done—appoint a V.P. that balances out her weaknesses. A lot of people seem to think she'll be on her own, but it doesn't work that way. It's no secret Obama is not ready to handle foreign issues and thus the Biden pick. Palin would simply do the same thing. If you accept this in Obama's case, why not for Palin where there's only an outside chance she'll be in that position?

[$cirisme]

If something were to happen to president McCain, Palin would do exactly what Obama has done—appoint a V.P. that balances out her weaknesses. A lot of people seem to think she'll be on her own, but it doesn't work that way. It's no secret Obama is not ready to handle foreign issues and thus the Biden pick. Palin would simply do the same thing. If you accept this in Obama's case, why not for Palin where there's only an outside chance she'll be in that position?

Because Obama can do it before it's an emergency and had the opportunity to spend the time thinking and vetting about his selection. In your example, Palin's choice will either be rushed, or will be delayed and selected during an emergency. None of which is a good place to be.

And, besides, it's not an outside chance. Of the last 43 Presidents, 9 have been VPs taking over the Presidency. That's a 21% succession rate. And that's not a number that has been going down. Of the last 12 Presidents, 25% of them took over for the Prez, and that doesn't count Reagan's near assassination.

25% is hardly an "outside chance".

[shadowmaster]

Because Obama can do it before it's an emergency and had the opportunity to spend the time thinking and vetting about his selection. In your example, Palin's choice will either be rushed, or will be delayed and selected during an emergency. None of which is a good place to be.

That assumes that Plain cannot think ahead of time like Obama did. Do you always make such assumptions about those who are not your choice?

Don't bother to answer.

heh

[$cirisme]

That assumes that Plain cannot think ahead of time like Obama did.

Deaths are sudden and unexpected. Unless you're saying she is planning McCain's death?

Do you always make such assumptions about those who are not your choice?

Obama is not my choice. Do you always make assumptions that make you look like a blithering moron?

Oh wait, you do.

[shadowmaster]

Obama is not my choice. Do you always make assumptions that make you look like a blithering moron?

Oh wait, you do.

The a shadowmaster did not say that your choice was Obama. He only commented about your attitude towards Palin. Do you always make assumptions that make you look like a blithering moron?

Oh wait, you do

heh heh heh

[rogue06]

Deaths are sudden and unexpected. Unless you're saying she is planning McCain's death?



Interestingly the remark about the Vice President being only a heartbeat away from the presidency was originally made in questioning William McKinley’s pick for the position by McKinley’s close friend, Senator Mark A. Hanna in 1900. That, pick, of course, was Teddy Roosevelt who became president after McKinley was assassinated by an anarchist in Buffalo in September of 1901.

[$cirisme]

The a shadowmaster did not say that your choice was Obama.

Then your comment was completely irrelevant. As is your existence.

[$cirisme]

Interestingly the remark about the Vice President being only a heartbeat away from the presidency was originally made in questioning William McKinley’s pick for the position by McKinley’s close friend, Senator Mark A. Hanna in 1900. That, pick, of course, was Teddy Roosevelt who became president after McKinley was assassinated by an anarchist in Buffalo in September of 1901.

That was an interesting musing. But I can't decided if you were trying to make a point or just wanted to share an interesting anecdote from history.

[rogue06]

That was an interesting musing. But I can't decided if you were trying to make a point or just wanted to share an interesting anecdote from history.

That's okay. Neither can I.

[$cirisme]

That's okay. Neither can I.
:lol:

[shadowmaster]

Then your comment was completely irrelevant. As is your existence.

You say that if the Shadowmaster does think that your choice is Obama, then he is a blithering moron. If he does not think that your choice is Obama, then you say his comments are irrelevant. With such muddled thinking abilities, it is little wonder that you have Theologyweb crashing all the time.:sigh:

[Jaltus]

Then your comment was completely irrelevant. As is your existence.

Uncalled for.

[Spinyn00bman]

Uncalled for.

Someone from Delaware would never stoop to such tactics against you...food for thought...

[shadowmaster]

The shadowmaster says

heh heh heh

because he cannot think of what else to say.

[Calminian]

Because Obama can do it before it's an emergency and had the opportunity to spend the time thinking and vetting about his selection. In your example, Palin's choice will either be rushed, or will be delayed and selected during an emergency. None of which is a good place to be.

And, besides, it's not an outside chance. Of the last 43 Presidents, 9 have been VPs taking over the Presidency. That's a 21% succession rate. And that's not a number that has been going down. Of the last 12 Presidents, 25% of them took over for the Prez, and that doesn't count Reagan's near assassination.

25% is hardly an "outside chance".

But on the other hand, Palin would be choosing on a single criterion, finding the best man to assist in the emergency. She wouldn't have to worry about the political implications of her choice. Binden was a political choice. And I don't think america is going to be comfortable with a guy that voted against the first Iraq war, for the current Iraq war which he now says is a mistake, and was against the surge. This is a guy with a record of being wrong on foreign policy.

[avaya]

McCain not only has thrown all sensible concerns about good governance aside merely to pander to a sliver of female and masses of conservative Christian voters, he has turned this period of American history into an episode of high-stakes reality television. Don’t look now, but our cousin Sarah just became leader of the free world! Tune in next week and watch her get sassy with Pakistan!

Many Americans have an unhealthy desire to see average people promoted to positions of great authority. No one wants an average neurosurgeon or even an average carpenter, but when it comes time to vest a man or woman with more power and responsibility than any person has held in human history, Americans say they want a regular guy, someone just like themselves.

McCain has so little respect for the average voter that he thinks this reckless and cynical ploy will work.

[Lazarus]

I'm betting McCain is wishing he had chosen Bobby Jindal instead of Sarah Palin right about now.

[Trusty]

I like how the qualifier is now "executive experience". Somehow, I imagine that if the candidate not from your party were the newly elected governor of a rather small state (yes, population wise), previous to that the mayor of a sub-10k population town, and that your party's candidate had the 4 years experience as a US senator and 8 as a state leglistor, that "experience" would still be an issue but somehow "executive" wouldn't be included. (Note that the 'you' and 'your' here can refer to anyone.)

I agree that Obama doesn't have executive experience; Palin has far less experience in politics, particularly on a national level. I haven't done the research for the exact numbers, but I feel pretty comfortable venturing that that there has been no previous candidate for vice president who has recieved fewer total votes (i.e. sum of votes recieved in all previous elections). Feel free to say that such a stat is meaningless, positions is all that matter. I agree. Just don't try to claim that she has significant experience in politics. She is a newcomer, far more so that Obama.

Well, I don't have a party. I have organized a community event, does that qualify me for the presidency? If I planned a lot of them, then I could start off as a mayor and work up from there...uh, like Sarah Palin.

I think Executive Experience matters more than legislative experience. The Presidency is an Executive position, not a legislative one. I am not saying experience is everything, but some experience is better than no experience. And that includes her running mate, though he did have command experience. Obama and Biden have neither.

I think the "less political experience" works in Palin's favor as well. She is a leader as well as being a politician...but she is a politician with a record that has political blunders like the others...but experience counts, which is why they don't appoint the janitor to a CEO position simply because he or she has hung around the company for years. I like it that she doesn't have the "political" experience you speak of. Obama has loads of it and it haunts him now that the fog has lifted and he is a political hack like all the others and isn't "above the fray".

Besides, we rarely elect Senators anymore. This election will be the first time we had to choose between Senators in decades.

I'm betting McCain is wishing he had chosen Bobby Jindal instead of Sarah Palin right about now.

I like that guy. Funny they picked a Republican after the Katrina disaster. While the national press puts the blame on the Federal Govt. and Bush in particular, those in Louisiana know better...except, well, for the people of NO themselves considering they re-elected that idiot Ray ‘vagina-friendly’ Nagin, Master of the Thunderdome and Lord over the Underwater School Buses...

[jcbmack]

That would be scary indeed, for the basic rights of people, if Palin were ever elected president, even more grave of an error on the part of the American people, if they vote Mccain in with Palin as VP.

[shadowmaster]

If the country survived Jimmy Carter, it proves that it does not matter who is president.

[$cirisme]

But on the other hand, Palin would be choosing on a single criterion, finding the best man to assist in the emergency. She wouldn't have to worry about the political implications of her choice. Binden was a political choice. And I don't think america is going to be comfortable with a guy that voted against the first Iraq war, for the current Iraq war which he now says is a mistake, and was against the surge. This is a guy with a record of being wrong on foreign policy.

And isn't it great that we have the luxury of making these decisions and truly examining them, a luxury we won't have in an emergency?

[$cirisme]

Uncalled for.

Your face is uncalled for. :tongue:

:wink:

[shadowmaster]

Uncalled for.

The shadowmaster forgave him. He cannot help being a jerk.

[$cirisme]

You say that if the Shadowmaster does think that your choice is Obama, then he is a blithering moron. If he does not think that your choice is Obama, then you say his comments are irrelevant. With such muddled thinking abilities, it is little wonder that you have Theologyweb crashing all the time.:sigh:

Your comments were about Obama. If Obama were my pick, then, yes, you obviously know nothing of me.

If you were not commenting on my pick, then your comment was irrelevant.

So which was it?

[Jaltus]

Your face is uncalled for. :tongue:

:wink:

Been watching Scrubs?

[$cirisme]

Been watching Scrubs?
I've never seen Scrubs.

[themuzicman]

Your comments were about Obama. If Obama were my pick, then, yes, you obviously know nothing of me.

If you were not commenting on my pick, then your comment was irrelevant.

So which was it?

For those who can read, his comment was about someone who was not your choice. Since there are several other candidates available for you to choose from, including those who would be averse to Palin becoming VP, it's presumptuous of you to assert this.

The only way that he is wrong is if you're voting for McCain. You don't seem to anyone to be leaning that way.

Give it up.

Michael

[shadowmaster]

Your comments were about Obama. If Obama were my pick, then, yes, you obviously know nothing of me.

If you were not commenting on my pick, then your comment was irrelevant.

So which was it?

The comment was about your attitude towards Palin's ability to reason things out as well as Obama and the crappy logic you used.

Your reply was that the shadowmaster is irrelevant. But he is used to seeing such garbage from you. You cannot help being a jerk.

[fishermen]

When does being a governor or mayor for a short period of time not disqualify your credentials on national security? When you are John McCain and your task is to defend your vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

When does being a governor or mayor for a short period of time ABSOLUTELY disqualify your credentials on national security? When you are John McCain and your task is to defeat primary opponents Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani.

Back in October 2007, when McCain's candidacy still appeared dead and buried, the Senator berated the two Republican front runners for lacking the necessary political experience to handle commander in chief responsibilities.

Governors Can't Handle National Security
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/12/mccain-last-year-mayors-a_n_125944.html

[grmorton]

The Bush Doctrine.

The left is going crazy about Palin's not knowing the Bush doctrine. Well this is from the guy who coined the term

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202457.html?hpid=opinionsbox1[/url]


There are 4 things called the Bush Doctrine according to Krauthammer. Gibson, who thought he had a gotcha question, didn't.

edited to add: This is from Wikipedia

The first usage of the term to refer to the policies of George W. Bush may have been when conservative commentator Charles Krauthammer used the term in February 2001 to refer to the president's unilateral approach to national missile defense.[6][7]

The main elements of the Bush Doctrine were delineated in a National Security Council document, National Security Strategy of the United States, published on September 20, 2002,[5] and this document is often cited as the definitive statement of the doctrine.[8][9][10] The National Security Strategy was updated in 2006.[11]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine

[decoski]

Obama blew it by not picking Hillary. No I don't like Hillary, but the woman has amazingly energized fans. Palin, exposes obama's weak choice. Palin is a solid conservative who will make all conservatives happy. She's attractive both outward and inward (personality). And the ostensible weakness of having little experience can't be emphasized too much by democrats, because they would be undercutting the head of their ticket as well. McCain is proving to be a cunning scrapper. I'm starting to love him.

Don't be surprised if Biden suddenly "decides" to turn down the VP slot if Obama doesn't regain his poll numbers with women. Then it's hellooooo Hillary.

[Spinyn00bman]

I just love how politics draws us all together,,,

[Dr. Jack Bauer]

Palin is the most pro life person out there right now. All other issues aside, that alone would be enough for me to throw all my support in her direct.

Oh, plus she's a fox.

[grmorton]

Don't be surprised if Biden suddenly "decides" to turn down the VP slot if Obama doesn't regain his poll numbers with women. Then it's hellooooo Hillary.

They are stuck with "Stand up Chuck" Biden. If they brought on Hillary, they would be merely follow ons to the Republicans.

It would show that Obama made a horrible mistake and like it or not, Obama is as unwilling to admit error as GW Bush is.

Why would Hilary want to join a campaign where she has, now, more than an even chance of going down in flames with Obama? Obama didn't win many primaries after March and his polling numbers are going down. Her calculation has to be, why be a failed VP candidate when I can have a chance in 2012 to be presidential candidate.

Also, they don't like each other and as some have said, Obama would have to have a food taster with Hillary-in-waiting.

Hillary is not blue collar. Owning a ranch in a poor part of Texas, lots of people there think that this former commercial fisherwoman is like them. Hillary is now viewed as a part of a political dynasty

Finally, the last time someone kicked a VP off the ticket (McGovern kicking Eagleton), it ended disastrously for the party.

Yeah, they are stuck with "Can't go into a 7-eleven without an Indian accent" Biden, who is an incredibly boring anchor for Obama. I suspect the failure to pick Hillary originally will sink the Obamessiah.

[grmorton]

I just love how politics draws us all together,,,

After the very united and committed followers of Sun Yat Sen overthrew the Dowager Empress, they split into two parties--the Guo ming Dan and the Communists. After the very united and committed Communists took over China, they split into two internal factions leading Mao to quip (I believe in the little Red Book, "One becomes two".

[grmorton]

When does being a governor or mayor for a short period of time not disqualify your credentials on national security? When you are John McCain and your task is to defend your vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Theodore Roosevelt was only a governor for 2 years before becoming VP candidate. He too liked to hunt and was a reformer. So what you are saying is that Theodore Roosevelt was unqualified, right?

[jcbmack]

Using the pro-life stance alone as the criteria for voting for someone does not seem a wise thing.

[Dr. Jack Bauer]

Using the pro-life stance alone as the criteria for voting for someone does not seem a wise thing.
It is the single most important issue, so it's a great indicator of who to support.

[shadowmaster]

:thumb:

[NathanDavid]

I wanted Obama to win the Demoncrat nomination because I considered him the weaker candidate. There is a division among the candidates, but they won't admit it. My opinion is that Hillary really doesn't want Obama to win, because that would make him the incumbant the next go around. If he looses, she comes up and says, "See, I told you to pick me...." and then runs again in four years. McCain was brilliant. He headed up that four year down the road ticket, and then planned on how to defeat Obama all in onw! McCain, no doubt, is cunning enough to be this nation's president. Three cheers for McCain!

Everyone's hassling Palin, and she's just the VP slot. The whole attention has been about her, and that is just hilarious. That's as close to Hillary as this country needs!

[decoski]

She appears to be a real reformer rather than a poser. While her conservative positions on such issues as guns, energy and abortion will make the conservatives happy I don't know if they'll help very much in wooing Hillary supporters.

I think the biggest negative she may present is that she'll blunt the charge of Inexperience against Obama even though her's has been as an executive (small town mayor and governor), while Obama's time in the Senate has been spent running for president. Not to mention the fact that the inexperience is on the top of the Democrat's ticket.

It'll be interesting to see how she does against Biden in a debate.

I'm thinking that the Media will ask questions that they think will make Biden look good and Palin, bad - the questions on foreign policy. I have confidence that even then, she will come out as knowledgeable and vice presidential.

[decoski]

They are stuck with "Stand up Chuck" Biden. If they brought on Hillary, they would be merely follow ons to the Republicans.

It would show that Obama made a horrible mistake and like it or not, Obama is as unwilling to admit error as GW Bush is.

Why would Hilary want to join a campaign where she has, now, more than an even chance of going down in flames with Obama? Obama didn't win many primaries after March and his polling numbers are going down. Her calculation has to be, why be a failed VP candidate when I can have a chance in 2012 to be presidential candidate.

Also, they don't like each other and as some have said, Obama would have to have a food taster with Hillary-in-waiting.

Hillary is not blue collar. Owning a ranch in a poor part of Texas, lots of people there think that this former commercial fisherwoman is like them. Hillary is now viewed as a part of a political dynasty

Finally, the last time someone kicked a VP off the ticket (McGovern kicking Eagleton), it ended disastrously for the party.

Yeah, they are stuck with "Can't go into a 7-eleven without an Indian accent" Biden, who is an incredibly boring anchor for Obama. I suspect the failure to pick Hillary originally will sink the Obamessiah.

You make some good points, but I still wouldn't rule out the possibility altogether. If Obama keeps sliding in the polls, he may make the play out of desperation and take the risk of getting poisoned. By the way, I enjoyed reading some of your geology threads. Good stuff.

[shadowmaster]

You make some good points, but I still wouldn't rule out the possibility altogether. If Obama keeps sliding in the polls, he may make the play out of desperation and take the risk of getting poisoned. By the way, I enjoyed reading some of your geology threads. Good stuff.

Careful, he will get a big head.

[decoski]

The whole purpose of having a VP is that they will be ready to step in to be President at any moment.

I think McCain picked a great running mate, she will attract a lot of votes, but a terrible Vice President.

Explain why she will make a terrible Vice President.

[decoski]

I'm betting McCain is wishing he had chosen Bobby Jindal instead of Sarah Palin right about now.

As another outstanding Conservative star, Jindal would be treated no differently by the MSM. They would be digging up dirt in Louisiana right now.

[fishermen]

Theodore Roosevelt was only a governor for 2 years before becoming VP candidate. He too liked to hunt and was a reformer. So what you are saying is that Theodore Roosevelt was unqualified, right?

I quoted McCain, ask him the question.

Read for yourself:

Governors Can't Handle National Security
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_125944.html

[themuzicman]

The Huffington ComPost? :lmbo:

[fishermen]

The Huffington ComPost? :lmbo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzhFDQIgGSg

[ForHimAlone]

I'll venture a trip into these shark-infested waters. Thankfully, I am not sporting any open-cuts at the moment.

Obama total legislative/executive experience: 2 years
Education: Ivy-League
Years as City Councilman (Alderman), Mayor, or Governor of a state: 0

Palin total legislative/executive experience: 10+
Education: Non Ivy-Leave college
Has experience at local level, rising from city council, to mayor and presently Governor of Alaska, largest oil-holding state in U.S.

Does Obama have charisma? So does Palin. Can Obama speak well in public (with a teleprompter) So can Palin (without one)
Does Obama resonate with his party? So does Palin.

While Obama speaks of change and reform, Palin has executed both.

While Obama talks the walk, Palin walks the talk.

Having realized now how biased the media is towards the Dems and Obama after her interview with "Charlie" (read "Chucky") Gibson, in which the attempt was made to make her look stupid and unprepared, I suspect the Moose-hunter will keep her crosshairs keenly on Biden when the debate comes, and handily bring him down from 200 yards with a single shot.

My conclusion: While I certainly may have history prove me wrong, I am willing to go out on a conjecture limb here, and predict that the election will be 51-48, McCain/Pailin.

After 4 years, Palin will have all the "executive" experience she will need to run in '12 against Shrill-ery or anyone else the Dems put up (unless Obama decides to have another go at it, which is very likely, though probably not during the next immediate election cycle.)

All considered, Mrs. Palin has the potential to be America's first female Commander-in-Chief.

Pelosi and Hillary are both livid I'm sure.

[shadowmaster]

shadowmaster ventures forth:

All past presidential elections have been economy driven.

good economy ==> party stays in -power.

bad economy ===> power changes hands

today's economy sucks

A Dem will win ==> even a tall dog could do it.

Brace for Obamaboy.

[ForHimAlone]

Who is responsible for creation of present economy?
Bush alone? Nope.
Congress alone? Nope
Bush + Congress? Yup!
Which party has controlled Congress? Dems...

Obama will end up loosing, though by a narrow margin.

Don't worry though..when he's actually gotten more executive experience he'll be back.

Palin's energized the party loyalists and conservatives, and even won some among the independents who were going to hold their nose and pull lever for Osama...

We'll see, won't we?

[moose7237]

Who is responsible for creation of present economy?
Bush alone? Nope.
Congress alone? Nope
Bush + Congress? Yup!
Which party has controlled Congress? Dems...

Obama will end up loosing, though by a narrow margin.

Don't worry though..when he's actually gotten more executive experience he'll be back.

Palin's energized the party loyalists and conservatives, and even won some among the independents who were going to hold their nose and pull lever for Osama...

We'll see, won't we?


Hello and Peace be to all,

SARAH PALIN!!! WHO IS SARAH PALIN???

Lets see:

Palin charged rape victims for their kits. $300-$1200 dollars.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/8/20552/56258/308/591588

She LIED about the bridge to nowhere. She told Congress "thanks but no thanks" when in fact she did support the bridge to nowhere before she was against it.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/14/palin-lies-32/

Mccain lied when he said Sarah Palin never accepted earmarks as governor. She did, as a matter of fact she accepted more earmarks for Alaska than in any other state. In her most recent request, she wanted millions to study mating habits of crabs. And as a matter of fact, Mccain said that he would veto earmark spending and publicly announce those names of the ones responsible for accepting ambiguous earmarks such as studying the DNA of bears. Lets see if Mccain will keep his world and expose Palin, or is he going to LIE to the American People AGAIN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmRkTJRfwqA&NR=1

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/12/mccain-palin-view/

Her husband is ignoring subpoenas in the troopergate scandal palin is involved in:
http://www.bloggernews.net/117831

Palin tried to deceive people into thinking that she visited Iraq when in fact she was only at the border between Iraq and Kuwait.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/13/report_palin_did_not_visit_ira.html

Sarah Palin DID NOT KNOW what the Bush Doctrine is. How very ignorant she is!

"Do you believe in the Bush Doctrine?"

The awkward pause, then the smug, patronizing comeback.

"In what respect, Charlie?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com:ahem:tony-sachs/sarah-palin-the-bush-doct_b_125852.html

In that same interview, Sarah Palin could not give a yes or no answer about entering Pakistan to eliminate terrorists. And as for foreign policy experience, get this, she mentioned that alaska is close to russia. :ahem:

HECK SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT A VP IS SUPPOSED TO DO!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9pnzQ96kWA

No way will I stand as an american to see this type of person be eligible to run the most powerful nation in the world. This is absolutely ridiculous. Now on to the LIAR John Mccain. When you are running false ads about your opponent and Bill O'Reilly and Karl FREAKIN Rove are admitting you are not telling the truth, YOU HAVE PROBLEMS. WAY TO LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MCCAIN!!! Also lets not forget that John Mccain agreed with President Bush 95% of the time. He agreed with the president of a 30% approval rating and has single handedly brought this nation to shame and even more debt. Oh and by the way, to all you great conservative evangelists out there, he(Mccain) suggested his wife participate in a nude beauty pageant. :ahem:

If you wanted a true republican, you should have voted for Ron Paul. I as a registered democrat would have gone and personally registered as a republican to vote for Ron Paul.

[Lizard]

shadowmaster ventures forth:

All past presidential elections have been economy driven.

good economy ==> party stays in -power.

bad economy ===> power changes hands

today's economy sucks

A Dem will win ==> even a tall dog could do it.

Brace for Obamaboy.
I'm afraid I have to agree with SM on this one. It matters not who's fault the bad economy is, the party in power in the White House will be blamed, and Obama will be the next pres.....



(I hope I am wrong)

[shadowmaster]

I'm afraid I have to agree with SM on this one. It matters not who's fault the bad economy is, the party in power in the White House will be blamed, and Obama will be the next pres.....


Augustine knows: the shadowmaster is always correct.

:sigh:

[decoski]

I'm afraid I have to agree with SM on this one. It matters not who's fault the bad economy is, the party in power in the White House will be blamed, and Obama will be the next pres.....



(I hope I am wrong)

It's frustrating that the American public doesn't bother thinking or getting the facts of the causes of the problem. What do you expect from a nation of idiots who more know who the winner of American Idol is than who the President is.

[moose7237]

It's frustrating that the American public doesn't bother thinking or getting the facts of the causes of the problem. What do you expect from a nation of idiots who more know who the winner of American Idol is than who the President is.

Hello and Peace be to all,

How about the fact that in president Bush's 2 terms the national debt has climbed more than any other president's time? Nearly 4 trillion Dollars in his debt alone!!! The American public KNOWS the cause of this problem is this miserable administration. And the fact is this nation's leader is an idiot himself who has 70% of the nation saying that he has done a horrible job. This guy should have been impeached after the first 2 years of his first term. Start blaming bush and his cronies. And the guy that is running from the republican party has voted 95% with this president!!! Makes you wonder who the real idiots are. The Neo cons must be stopped!!!

http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

[moose7237]

Hello and Peace be to all,

According to cnn, Mccain is trying to delay Friday's debate "because he wants to focus on the economy". He plans to cancel next thursday's VP debate and replace it with the presidental debate. Why do they keep on trying to hide Palin from the media??? Hmm...MAYBE ITS BECAUSE SHE'S TOO IGNORANT. OR she is to busy looking into russia to gain more foreign policy experience. What a sleezy campaign!

[shadowmaster]

You were expecting what?

Are moose naive?

[Jaltus]

Hello and Peace be to all,

How about the fact that in president Bush's 2 terms the national debt has climbed more than any other president's time? Nearly 4 trillion Dollars in his debt alone!!! The American public KNOWS the cause of this problem is this miserable administration. And the fact is this nation's leader is an idiot himself who has 70% of the nation saying that he has done a horrible job. This guy should have been impeached after the first 2 years of his first term. Start blaming bush and his cronies. And the guy that is running from the republican party has voted 95% with this president!!! Makes you wonder who the real idiots are. The Neo cons must be stopped!!!

http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

First, McCain has voted 90% along party lines while Bush was in the White House, not "with Bush" since Bush CANNOT vote.

Second, Obama has voted 97% along party lines for his career.

Third, McCain has voted along party lines 85% of the time for his career, the lowest among all Senators.

Fourth, in the first two years of his Presidency, Bush reacted to 9/11 and that was his only major decision. There is nothing he did in his second year that warrants impeachment by anybodies standards. For that matter, he personally has not broken any laws whatsoever, so impeachment is just a partisan ploy.

Fifth, Congress has voted to raise the debt, not Bush.

Before you speak again in another vitriolic anti-Bush rant, at least get the facts straight and understand how our government works. so far you come across simply like a party hack without any actual knowledge.

[Jaltus]

Hello and Peace be to all,

According to cnn, Mccain is trying to delay Friday's debate "because he wants to focus on the economy". He plans to cancel next thursday's VP debate and replace it with the presidental debate. Why do they keep on trying to hide Palin from the media??? Hmm...MAYBE ITS BECAUSE SHE'S TOO IGNORANT. OR she is to busy looking into russia to gain more foreign policy experience. What a sleezy campaign!

The VP debate would be rescheduled, as per the contract between the DNC and RNC. Please get your facts straight.

[shadowmaster]

Can one get his facts straight while listening to CNN?

[Alsharad]

Can one get his facts straight while listening to CNN?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

He can get something from CNN, but it usually isn't straight facts.

What can he get?
Here's a hint: Rhymes with "full-smit"

:egad:

[eudyptes]

Who is responsible for creation of present economy?
Bush alone? Nope.
Congress alone? Nope
Bush + Congress? Yup!
Which party has controlled Congress? Dems...

Obama will end up loosing, though by a narrow margin.

Don't worry though..when he's actually gotten more executive experience he'll be back.

Palin's energized the party loyalists and conservatives, and even won some among the independents who were going to hold their nose and pull lever for Osama...

We'll see, won't we?

The 'credit crisis' that is fueling the most troubling aspects of our current economy can't be pinned on anyone "set" from Washington.

We as a nation have been building to this point since...depending on who's analysis you want to go by....the late 70's/early 80's or the mid80's/late80s. It really took off in the early 90s and kept growing. It's the credit fueled economy, we've been building our 'growth' on borrowed funds. From the guy next door on up....the politicians, corporations, and the borrower all have a part of the blame. We could argue back and forth as to who is more to blame than the other.

I remember reading articles in financial industry magazines and newsletters as early as the late 80s warning of the credit bubble burst. The warnings grew louder through the 90s. Some claimed the dot com bust was the correction...but it was obvious that the "loans for everyone" mentality was still out there. You can't continue to live at 150-200% of your income, you can't continue to make loans to anyone with little or undervalued collateral...without it all coming to a head at sometime.

That all being said....history is on SM's side....bad economy = shift of political party. Although the way this one is playing out....not sure history will repeat.

[moose7237]

First, McCain has voted 90% along party lines while Bush was in the White House, not "with Bush" since Bush CANNOT vote.

Hello and Peace be to all,

I stand corrected. I didn't think verbatim was that important. So I restate my view:
Mccain supported Bush 95% of the time LAST YEAR. Which makes things bad since Bush's approval rating was only getting worse, and indeed 90% of the time in his 2 terms. Still, how can a man running for president support the person who most of this nation dissaproves of. The man who LIED to the people in stating that Iraq was a threat and had weapons of mass destruction when there was none, and should personally be held responsible for the deaths of over 4000 american lives, and countless civilian iraqi lives.

Second, Obama has voted 97% along party lines for his career.

Wow voting 97% of the time in 2 years what a crime! Tell me did the democrats declare war on Iraq??? Umm...I think Obama voted against that clearly. And thats a trillion dollar war and growing. The fact is, under bush the debt grew by 4 trillion dollars!!! More than any other president in history. Was this part of the democrats' plan??? Umm...NO!!!

Third, McCain has voted along party lines 85% of the time for his career, the lowest among all Senators.

Irrelevant, because his party has not screwed up as badly as they have in the past 8 years, and in the past 8 years he has voted 90% of the time with this CORRUPT administration.

Fourth, in the first two years of his Presidency, Bush reacted to 9/11 and that was his only major decision. There is nothing he did in his second year that warrants impeachment by anybodies standards. For that matter, he personally has not broken any laws whatsoever, so impeachment is just a partisan ploy.

Your right what was Bush doing in his first 2 years??? Hmm...VACATIONING!!!

Prior to 9/11, Bush spent 42 percent of his first eight months in office on vacation.

And why are you so reluctant to mention his next 5-6 years??? And in this time he did break the law. Patriot Act, and Excessive torture off the top of my head. This neo-con should be impeached and put on trial.

Fifth, Congress has voted to raise the debt, not Bush.

I never said Bush voted to raise the debt, I said under his 2 terms, the debt has climbed $4 trillion dollars, almost double that of any other president. The Iraq War itself could cost $2 trillion dollars.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5156416



Before you speak again in another vitriolic anti-Bush rant, at least get the facts straight and understand how our government works. so far you come across simply like a party hack without any actual knowledge.

Seeing the fact that You did not respond to a majority of my article, I am getting my facts straight and backing them up with references. Bush is a horrible president who should be prosecuted. I found it quite funny how you did not care to mention the Iraq war, the tax breaks for the upper middle class and corporations under Bush, the socialist plan of his $700 billion dollar bailout, and so forth. If I have no knowledge, then you should be able to refute what I have said about Mccain LYING, oh and by the way he lied just yesterday to David Letterman. It turns out Mccain calls Letterman to cancel his appearance because he immediately needed to fly to Washington, when in fact he went to conduct an Interview with Katie Couric at CBS 2 news instead. His campaign is sleezy and full of lies as Rove and O'reilly even admit. Oh and Palin is another joke, who again defended her foreign policy experience by saying that russia is Alaska's neighbor.

Sarah Palin's comedy quote of the day:

When Couric asked how Alaska's closeness to Russia enhanced her foreign policy experience, Palin said, "Well, it certainly does because our ... our next-door neighbors are foreign countries." Alaska shares a border with Canada.

Way to go Sarah, your neighbors do in fact enhance your foreign policy experience :lol:

[moose7237]

The VP debate would be rescheduled, as per the contract between the DNC and RNC. Please get your facts straight.

Hello and Peace be to all,

We'll just have to wait and see. It seems like time is running out, so one of the debates is probably going to get canned. What a coincidence that Mccain wants the presidental debate to be rescheduled on the same day of the VP debate! The man is either too scared to debate Obama, or he is covering for Palin. I think its a bit of both. With about 40 days left until the election you want to re-schedule your first debate? What a cronny. Its funny how you conservatives try desperately to cover up for them. You should have voted in Ron Paul instead.

[moose7237]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

He can get something from CNN, but it usually isn't straight facts.

What can he get?
Here's a hint: Rhymes with "full-smit"

:egad:

Hello and Peace be to all,

Sorry I lost my Foxnews feed and only CNN was left. Foxnews had a very interesting piece where Hannity was accusing Obama of being a terrorist. :lol:
But in their defense they are Fair and Balanced. Sorry I can't Resist. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: