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shunyadragon
08-31-2016, 05:24 AM
The following represents further research confirming earlier studies defining the relationship between homo sapiens, and other homo subspecies. The most important conclusion in this genetic research is that it confirms the modern evolution of homo sapiens, and mixing with other homo relatives as we migrated out of Africa. The Neanderthal and Denisovans DNA is missing from Africans.




DNA results are in: Early humans and Neanderthals made babies together

(CNN)Neanderthals may not have been as lucky as our human ancestors in the long run, but that doesn't mean the two subspecies didn't get lucky.

Scientists have discovered that Homo sapiens -- that's us -- made more babies with archaic humanlike species than initially thought. That sexual history has left a mark on the human genome, possibly influencing our immune systems and metabolism, according to a new study published in the journal of Science.

Scientists analyzed the genetic information of more than 1,500 people from all around the world and determined that ancestors of modern humans interbred with Neanderthals and Denisovans.

They learned that some Asians, Europeans and even the Melanesians of Papua New Guinea had Neanderthal and Denisovan ancestry.

Mystery surrounds the Denisovans, which were related to Neanderthals but genetically different, in much the same way Neanderthals were distinct from modern humans. In 2008, fossil remains of Denisovans were discovered in a cave in Siberia.

The discovery of traces of Denisovan DNA in the people of Melanesia is significant because the Pacific Islanders live thousands of miles away from the Siberian region that Denisovans are believed to have existed.

"It is still not exactly clear when and where Melanesian ancestors crossed paths with Denisovans, but our best guess is somewhere in mainland Southeast Asia," University of Washington evolutionary geneticist Joshua Akey, who helped lead the study, told CNN.
This is a likely scenario based on the low levels of Denisovan ancestry found in some South Asian populations.

The study confirms early theories that our human ancestors interbred with other hominins after they left Africa more than 50,000 years ago.

Sparko
08-31-2016, 07:23 AM
Trigger warning for Cow Poke. I am about to throw you under the bus. again.


Well, that explains a lot. Like Tassy, JimL, Jorge, Cow Poke.

Cow Poke
08-31-2016, 11:01 AM
Well, that explains a lot. Like Tassy, JimL, Jorge, Cow Poke.

:glare:

Sparko
08-31-2016, 11:20 AM
:glare:I figured you would think it was about you, so I obliged. :smug:

Cow Poke
08-31-2016, 11:30 AM
I figured you would think it was about you, so I obliged. :smug:

But Jorge is my beloved Christian brother! You put me in the same category with Tazzy and Jimmy, and you didn't provide a trigger warning! :bawl:

Sparko
08-31-2016, 11:33 AM
But Jorge is my beloved Christian brother! You put me in the same category with Tazzy and Jimmy, and you didn't provide a trigger warning! :bawl:

Edited.

rogue06
08-31-2016, 01:15 PM
The following represents further research confirming earlier studies defining the relationship between homo sapiens, and other homo subspecies. The most important conclusion in this genetic research is that it confirms the modern evolution of homo sapiens, and mixing with other homo relatives as we migrated out of Africa. The Neanderthal and Denisovans DNA is missing from Africans.




DNA results are in: Early humans and Neanderthals made babies together

(CNN)Neanderthals may not have been as lucky as our human ancestors in the long run, but that doesn't mean the two subspecies didn't get lucky.

Scientists have discovered that Homo sapiens -- that's us -- made more babies with archaic humanlike species than initially thought. That sexual history has left a mark on the human genome, possibly influencing our immune systems and metabolism, according to a new study published in the journal of Science.

Scientists analyzed the genetic information of more than 1,500 people from all around the world and determined that ancestors of modern humans interbred with Neanderthals and Denisovans.

They learned that some Asians, Europeans and even the Melanesians of Papua New Guinea had Neanderthal and Denisovan ancestry.

Mystery surrounds the Denisovans, which were related to Neanderthals but genetically different, in much the same way Neanderthals were distinct from modern humans. In 2008, fossil remains of Denisovans were discovered in a cave in Siberia.

The discovery of traces of Denisovan DNA in the people of Melanesia is significant because the Pacific Islanders live thousands of miles away from the Siberian region that Denisovans are believed to have existed.

"It is still not exactly clear when and where Melanesian ancestors crossed paths with Denisovans, but our best guess is somewhere in mainland Southeast Asia," University of Washington evolutionary geneticist Joshua Akey, who helped lead the study, told CNN.
This is a likely scenario based on the low levels of Denisovan ancestry found in some South Asian populations.

The study confirms early theories that our human ancestors interbred with other hominins after they left Africa more than 50,000 years ago.
Considering that tiny amounts of Neanderthal DNA can be found in some modern populations this news seems anti-climatic.

shunyadragon
09-05-2016, 04:19 PM
Considering that tiny amounts of Neanderthal DNA can be found in some modern populations this news seems anti-climatic.

Impact on the Caucasian and Oriental human genome is the important issue, not the amount. The Neanderthal DNA is already 95%+ or more common to the human genome. This research documents better the relationship and the impact on human evolution out of Africa. Much of the Caucasian and Oriental population owes its adaption to some diseases, and northern and mesic climates to the contribution of Neanderthal DNA. There is evidence that we would not have those red headed freckled, and blond beauties without Neanderthal DNA.

It is apparent when comparing the other primates living today it only takes a relatively small amount of DNA change to make a radical difference in the evolution of species.

Ana Dragule
10-18-2016, 11:18 PM
Did Shunya just imply that Africans are less evolved?

Bill the Cat
10-19-2016, 06:01 AM
Considering that tiny amounts of Neanderthal DNA can be found in some modern populations this news seems anti-climatic.

Where is that smiley by the fireplace? Would have gone great here as a reply.

rogue06
10-19-2016, 08:18 AM
Where is that smiley by the fireplace? Would have gone great here as a reply.
I save that for flirtifying

JB DoulosChristou
10-26-2016, 04:14 PM
A while ago, I ran the results of a DNA test I had done through some analytic tools, and found a few spots of my own genetic material that reflect some partial Neanderthal ancestry. (I was missing some of the other common ones, though.) All of us have 'em here or there.

From the original journal article (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/03/16/science.aad9416.full), it looks like the actual news here is that, based on evaluating multiple sources of archaic DNA in Melanesian populations, the scientists have become more confident that most of our ancestral populations had multiple interbreeding events with Neanderthals, not just one. Am I reading that right?

rogue06
10-26-2016, 07:54 PM
A while ago, I ran the results of a DNA test I had done through some analytic tools, and found a few spots of my own genetic material that reflect some partial Neanderthal ancestry. (I was missing some of the other common ones, though.) All of us have 'em here or there.

From the original journal article (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/03/16/science.aad9416.full), it looks like the actual news here is that, based on evaluating multiple sources of archaic DNA in Melanesian populations, the scientists have become more confident that most of our ancestral populations had multiple interbreeding events with Neanderthals, not just one. Am I reading that right?
IIRC, about the only group that doesn't show traces of Neanderthal ancestry in some of their population are sub-Saharan Africans.

shunyadragon
10-29-2016, 04:57 PM
IIRC, about the only group that doesn't show traces of Neanderthal ancestry in some of their population are sub-Saharan Africans.

Correct!

hansgeorg
11-29-2016, 10:29 AM
The following represents further research confirming earlier studies defining the relationship between homo sapiens, and other homo subspecies. The most important conclusion in this genetic research is that it confirms the modern evolution of homo sapiens, and mixing with other homo relatives as we migrated out of Africa. The Neanderthal and Denisovans DNA is missing from Africans.


IIRC, about the only group that doesn't show traces of Neanderthal ancestry in some of their population are sub-Saharan Africans.

In other words:

* Noah and his wife cannot very well have been Neanderthal or Denisovan race,
* at same time, one daughter in law must have had some such background
* but since other studies show that Neanderthal mitocondrial and Y-chromosome are "not modern human" ...

I suppose Neanderthals were a pre-Flood race, and a Neanderthal woman had a son with a non-Neanderthal man (no Neanderthal Y chromosome), then the son had a daughter with a non-Neanderthal woman (no Neanderthal mitocondrial DNA) who married one of Noah's sons.

I suppose remains of Neanderthals in stone age like surroundings, if from pre-Flood, were either a kind of camp prisoners or a kind of Amish, having to do largely in ways which proved useful later just after Flood, during "Late Palaeolithic" to "Neolithic".

shunyadragon
12-01-2016, 04:12 AM
In other words:

* Noah and his wife cannot very well have been Neanderthal or Denisovan race,
* at same time, one daughter in law must have had some such background
* but since other studies show that Neanderthal mitocondrial and Y-chromosome are "not modern human" ...

I suppose Neanderthals were a pre-Flood race, and a Neanderthal woman had a son with a non-Neanderthal man (no Neanderthal Y chromosome), then the son had a daughter with a non-Neanderthal woman (no Neanderthal mitocondrial DNA) who married one of Noah's sons.

I suppose remains of Neanderthals in stone age like surroundings, if from pre-Flood, were either a kind of camp prisoners or a kind of Amish, having to do largely in ways which proved useful later just after Flood, during "Late Palaeolithic" to "Neolithic".

First, biggy problem, there is no evidence for any such flood. Your artificial time line to make things fit an ancient mythical Genesis, either unbelievable naive, or more likely, down right intellectually and deliberately dishonest.

Seve
12-13-2016, 07:30 PM
False since Science is studying the evolution of the sons of God (prehistoric people) INSTEAD of Humans, who are the descendants of Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans

Today's Evols are totally ignorant that Human blood was contaminated by the blood of the common ancestor of Apes because Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry. They married the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who were ALREADY here when Noah arrived. In the past, some 10-12k years ago, Humans have been scattered over the whole face of our Planet. Gen 11:9

Humans were formed of the dust on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, or some 13.7 Billion years ago. Adam was made with a higher intelligence level than ANY creature whose origin was in the water on the 5th Day, because Adam had an intelligence like God's. Gen 3:22

IT is IMPOSSIBLE for Adam, the first Human, to have evolved from the common ancestor of Apes since our Earth is only 4.53 Billion years old, and Adam had been around for Billions of years before then, as our Lord' meet.

Adam's direct descendant, Noah, arrived on our Earth, some 10k years ago and Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to him. History agrees and odd man out is the False ToE which is "willingly ignorant" 2Pe 3:5 of our true Human origins. You can read of the sexual compatibilty of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Adam's descendants in Genesis 6:1-4.


God Bless

rogue06
12-13-2016, 09:05 PM
False since Science is studying the evolution of the sons of God (prehistoric people) INSTEAD of Humans, who are the descendants of Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans

Today's Evols are totally ignorant that Human blood was contaminated by the blood of the common ancestor of Apes because Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry. They married the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who were ALREADY here when Noah arrived. In the past, some 10-12k years ago, Humans have been scattered over the whole face of our Planet. Gen 11:9

Humans were formed of the dust on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, or some 13.7 Billion years ago. Adam was made with a higher intelligence level than ANY creature whose origin was in the water on the 5th Day, because Adam had an intelligence like God's. Gen 3:22

IT is IMPOSSIBLE for Adam, the first Human, to have evolved from the common ancestor of Apes since our Earth is only 4.53 Billion years old, and Adam had been around for Billions of years before then, as our Lord' meet.

Adam's direct descendant, Noah, arrived on our Earth, some 10k years ago and Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to him. History agrees and odd man out is the False ToE which is "willingly ignorant" 2Pe 3:5 of our true Human origins. You can read of the sexual compatibilty of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Adam's descendants in Genesis 6:1-4.


God Bless


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ImtJspE658

Seve
12-14-2016, 01:53 AM
This is clear when you ask Evols to explain WHERE the first Human came from, since the only way in which Humans can pass the invisible intelligence of Adam, to another Human, is through the birthing process. Evols run, hide, call names, imply that anyone who asks this question is nuts, and claim there was no first Human and that magical evolution did it.

NONE of them can produce ANY evidence of this event since Science is currently IGNORANT of the difference between Human and animal intelligence Today. They would have us believe that Apes evolved into Humans and that it happened 200k years ago.

Evols also falsely CLAIM that long periods of time and numerous positive mutations produced Human intelligence in animals. No Evol refutes them because God has caught ALL of them in His Snare, which He set with the Flood. The Trap they are caught in is that they have been Falsely teaching Evolution for more than 50 years, that Humans evolved from animals, BECAUSE they have Rejected God's Truth of the Flood. Soon, they must DEFEND this Satanic Lie and the only defense they have is to be "willingly ignorant" of God's Truth. Here is God's Truth, which tells of this debate, with the Scoffers in the last days.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)

Here is the origin of the sons of God (prehistoric people) who were created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, as commanded by God some 3.77 Billion years ago, in man's time. Science AGREES that our cells cannot survive without liquid water and that’s why we seek liquid water on other planets to see if they have the possibility of life or not. We find the bones of prehistoric people all the way back to the time when they diverged from Chimps some 6 Million years ago.

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

Adam's direct descendant, Noah, arrived on our Earth, some 10k years ago and Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to him. History agrees and odd man out is the False ToE which is "willingly ignorant" 2Pe 3:5 of our true Human origins. You can read of the sexual compatibilty of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Adam's descendants in Genesis 6:1-4.

Prehistoric people were just like today's Humans and they moved and had their origin in water EXACTLY as Scripture and Science tell us. Science calls this appearance of life from water a "Natural" happening, but God shows that it was all a part of His Creation.

What the posting shows is that this False Teaching of the ToE is NOT true, and supposes things which have No data to support their False Assumptions. That's because Humans are the descendants of Adam and Adam's superior intelligence MUST be inherited sexually and CANNOT happen by chance mutation and long periods of time as evolutionism falsely preaches.

:ahem:

hansgeorg
12-23-2016, 06:20 AM
First, biggy problem, there is no evidence for any such flood. Your artificial time line to make things fit an ancient mythical Genesis, either unbelievable naive, or more likely, down right intellectually and deliberately dishonest.

You can argue that on this thread:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?13013-The-evidence-for-Noah-s-Flood-is-overwhelming!

Meanwhile, I note you had no "second" about the genetic aspect.

hansgeorg
12-23-2016, 06:21 AM
Today's Evols are totally ignorant that Human blood was contaminated by the blood of the common ancestor of Apes because Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry. They married the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who were ALREADY here when Noah arrived. In the past, some 10-12k years ago, Humans have been scattered over the whole face of our Planet. Gen 11:9

You seem to agree about what "carbon dated date" is Tower of Babel event.

Göbekli Tepe, right?

Seve
12-23-2016, 04:48 PM
Dear hansgeorg,

Scientifically speaking, Adam was made BEFORE the First Stars, which were not made until the 4th Day.*Gen 1:16*Since the beginning of our Cosmos is dated at some 13.7 Billion years ago, in man's time and since Adam lived until some 15k years ago here on our present world…. Adam was more than 13 Billion years old. He lived with Jesus for most of that time in a perfect body like we all will have in Heaven after the Rapture.

Only God, the Supreme Intelligence of Creation, the Creator who CANNOT Lie would get these things scientifically correct, even today.

I like the FACT that Gen 2:4 shows that the Big Bang of our world was on the*3rd Day*and the FIRST Stars of our Cosmos did NOT put forth their Light until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16

Science has recently learned that it took Hundreds of Millions of years*AFTER*the Big Bang*BEFORE the FIRST Stars put forth their Light.*It's PROOF that ONLY God could have written Genesis.

God and true science discoveries are in agreement..... and the false ToE is the odd man out.

Adam’s World:

Adam’s firmament of heaven / world was located in the vicinity beneath the body of water in Lake Van, Turkey of our Hollow Earth. It was in a completely enclosed Biosphere, more like an incubator of Humanity (simile).

Adam's world was FLAT and much, much, much smaller than our present world - It had only*4 Rivers,*which all ran out of the Garden of Eden .... compared to our present world, it has thousands of Rivers all over the face of our earth. Adam’s world was contained in the interior of our hollow earth, beneath the surface of Lake Van, Turkey, which is about 75 miles wide and 1500 feet deep.

2Pe 3:5*6*For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth*standing out of the water and in the water:*v6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

During the Flood, the Ark which was covered, floated out the top of Adam's firmament into the largest Lake in the area (Lake Van), as the firmament sank and released the Ark into our world , thus, Adam’s world was totally destroyed / dissolved in the Global Flood. If it sounds like Atlantis, so be it.

This explains a way for a 450 foot Ark to be above the highest mountains of Adam's world (22 1/2 ft) ref. Gen 7:20 ...AND....within the area of the mountains of Ararat on the*SAME*150th*day after the flood began (Gen 8:4).

The Truth behind The Story of the Tower of Babel:

When the rains came to the world of Adam, the firmament, which protected the first world from the water that surrounded it (standing out of the water and in the water), started to brake down and began to sink. The Ark, which was already upon the waters began to rise as the firmament sank. This released the Ark into*ANOTHER*world, the present world of ours, right now.

Noah's descendants thought they could build a tower to Heaven and escape the present Earth, like Noah had escaped from the first Earth. They didn't want to be scattered over the face of the whole Earth, into the lands of the Savages (prehistoric people), so they tried to escape our world, but the LORD had other plans.*

Thus, was Humanity scattered over the face of the present Earth and the prehistoric people changed from innocent animal to Human intelligence. This shows that Humans did*NOT*evolve from Apes on this planet, but from Noah's descendants.

Strange Spiral under Lake Van, Turkey 7.2 EQ - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utJi4bTb4ck


Our God is awesome God.

rogue06
12-23-2016, 05:30 PM
You do realize that the sun is a star don't you?

Chrawnus
12-23-2016, 05:32 PM
You do realize that the sun is a star don't you?

That's your problem with his theory? :lolo:

rogue06
12-23-2016, 05:33 PM
That's your problem with his theory? :lolo:
I kinda quit reading after that part.

Chrawnus
12-23-2016, 05:36 PM
I kinda quit reading after that part.

You should have kept going, it's kind of a slow start, but it only keeps getting better. :yes:

Jedidiah
12-23-2016, 07:37 PM
That's your problem with his theory? :lolo:

Theory or fantasy?

Chrawnus
12-23-2016, 07:46 PM
Theory or fantasy?

Yes.

Seve
12-24-2016, 12:43 AM
The above DNA connection is shown in Gen 6:1-4. Today's Humans are a Combination of the descendants of Adam AND prehistoric people who did NOT descend from Adam, but were here when Noah arrived into our world some 10k years ago.

Genesis 6 King James Version (KJV)

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,*2 That the sons of God (prehistoric*mankind) saw the daughters of men (Adam) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Notice that the LORD isn't happy about this and cuts Human lifetimes by almost 90%.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (prehistoric*man) came in unto the daughters of men, (Adam) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown .*5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

The Combination of Humans and prehistoric mankind creates Violent mankind, so violent, our lives have been cut to about 10% of our first Human ancestors. It's also evidence of HOW we inherited the unique Human intelligence of Adam...AND...the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of ALL life on our Planet.

As you can see, the term and also after that is Prophecy that prehistoric people and Adam's descendants would produce intellectual giants again. This is important since intellectual giants were produced on Planet Earth when Noah's grandsons married and produced today's Humans with the prehistoric people who were already here when Noah arrived. It's HOW and WHEN (some 10k years ago) the prehistoric people on our Earth evolved their Human intelligence.*

The History of Human civilization, on Planet Earth, can be traced to the people who came out of the mountains of Ararat, into the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia (the Cradle of Human civilization) exactly as God tells us in Genesis.*Map: Fertile Crescent, 9000 to 4500 BCE.

Here's the problem which NO Evol can answer. HOW did ancient men, who lived thousands of years BEFORE Science, know how Human DNA was affected, so they wrote the above in Genesiis to let us know how much they knew. NOT, No, it's impossible for ANY man of the time to explain*HOW*Human blood was contaminated by the blood of prehistoric creatures who evolved from the common ancestor of Apes.*

It's PROOF of God, and our "so called" Science is still ignoring God's Truth in Genesis :ahem:

shunyadragon
12-24-2016, 04:56 AM
You can argue that on this thread:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?13013-The-evidence-for-Noah-s-Flood-is-overwhelming!

Meanwhile, I note you had no "second" about the genetic aspect.

I am not allowed to post in this section. I read your description of how limestone is supposedly formed and it is bizzaro and unbelievable based on the actual evidence of the nature of limestone deposits.

rogue06
12-24-2016, 05:59 AM
I am not allowed to post in this section. I read your description of how limestone is supposedly formed and it is bizzaro and unbelievable based on the actual evidence of the nature of limestone deposits.
That's putting it mildly.

Seve
12-24-2016, 04:05 PM
When Noah, the first Human arrived on this Planet, his grandsons had NO other humans to marry. They married and produced offspring with the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who were here when the Ark arrived in our world.

There is NO other way we could have inherited the superior intelligence which Adam, the first Human, was made with. We would STILL be living in Caves and chasing animals if Noah had been taken to our world. We descended from the Special Creation of Human Beings, which took place BEFORE any other living creature, by the Hands of Jesus.

We were FIRST made BEFORE any other living creature which shows that the False Theory of Evolution is a Satanic Lie being forced upon our children in the Public Schools. It's a real shame.

Yttrium
12-24-2016, 05:24 PM
Adam's world was FLAT and much, much, much smaller than our present world - It had only*4 Rivers,*which all ran out of the Garden of Eden .... compared to our present world, it has thousands of Rivers all over the face of our earth. Adam’s world was contained in the interior of our hollow earth, beneath the surface of Lake Van, Turkey, which is about 75 miles wide and 1500 feet deep.

Hmm. I was picturing Adam's world and our world as parallel universes, the way you described it elsewhere. Now it seems that Adam lived in a mini-world under a lake, making it basically part of our world. Or am I missing something?

So Noah left Adam's world and came to ours, mixing in with the locals to produce an advanced race on Earth. Interesting. I've never heard that sequence of events presented before. Considering that the major creationist organizations don't follow this timeline the way you do, I'd say you have a revolutionary outlook on things. Or is there some organization that I've missed that teaches this sequence of events?

Cerebrum123
12-25-2016, 01:16 PM
Hmm. I was picturing Adam's world and our world as parallel universes, the way you described it elsewhere. Now it seems that Adam lived in a mini-world under a lake, making it basically part of our world. Or am I missing something?

So Noah left Adam's world and came to ours, mixing in with the locals to produce an advanced race on Earth. Interesting. I've never heard that sequence of events presented before. Considering that the major creationist organizations don't follow this timeline the way you do, I'd say you have a revolutionary outlook on things. Or is there some organization that I've missed that teaches this sequence of events?

Some guy who called himself Johnny Poochie had an alternate dimension as the location of Eden. I wonder how these two would get along.

Seve
12-25-2016, 06:26 PM
Hmm. I was picturing Adam's world and our world as parallel universes, the way you described it elsewhere. Now it seems that Adam lived in a mini-world under a lake, making it basically part of our world. Or am I missing something?

Adam’s world or “mini-universe” as you call it, was made the same DAY during the BB of our kosmos on the 3rd Day…. some 13.7B years ago in man’s time, right after it cooled off. Adam's firmament or boundary was much smaller than the present boundary of our Biosphere or Universe.

[Job 38:4-7 KJV] 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God (prehistoric people of the 1st world) shouted for joy?

Our present world or universe was like a johnny comes lately and was made some 4.5B years ago and was added or incorporated to the existing world of Adam by adding and stretching their heaven / earth and into the surface or biosphere of the former world… forming into what we now see, today - a perfect circular or round globe. It was finally completed and ready for inhabitation there off some 3.7B years ago in man’s time.

Adam’s “mini-world” while originally made much smaller than our own present world, had its own complex but organized and orderly system of universe.

Just to give us an idea of what we are talking about.... Below is an Ancient Jewish perception of their Flat World.... It's a SIMILE but not necessary or exactly my view....

http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/files/2012/11/Ancient-Hebrew-view-of-universe.png

After the incorporation of the new heaven and new earth from Adam’s world…. while it’s still protected by its own separate firmament of heaven… the former world’ location became completely enclosed and covered with added surface around it and ended up inside of our present Hollow Earth.


So Noah left Adam's world and came to ours, mixing in with the locals to produce an advanced race on Earth. Interesting. I've never heard that sequence of events presented before. Considering that the major creationist organizations don't follow this timeline the way you do, I'd say you have a revolutionary outlook on things. Or is there some organization that I've missed that teaches this sequence of events?

No, that's not correct…. It was not Noah himself that mixes up with the locals... but his grand children / descendants who had no human to marry when they were brought into this present world… and ended up taking the prehistoric people descendants as their wives - as prophesied in Gen 6:4 - who were already here when they arrived….. and as I have posted previously.

God bless

Yttrium
12-25-2016, 07:47 PM
No, that's not correct…. It was not Noah himself that mixes up with the locals... but his grand children / descendants who had no human to marry when they were brought into this present world… and ended up taking the prehistoric people descendants as their wives - as prophesied in Gen 6:4 - who were already here when they arrived….. and as I have posted previously.


Right. By 'mixing in", I meant to include his descendants and all those animals. Speaking of which, now I'm curious about the animals. Were there animals in our world before Noah's animals joined in? Did Noah's animals beget all the modern animals by the twosomes, or was there interbreeding going on with pre-existing animals from our Earth?

Also, is there anyone else in the world who shares your outlook in this? It seems rather unique.

Seve
12-25-2016, 09:19 PM
Right. By 'mixing in", I meant to include his descendants and all those animals. Speaking of which, now I'm curious about the animals. Were there animals in our world before Noah's animals joined in? Did Noah's animals beget all the modern animals by the twosomes, or was there interbreeding going on with pre-existing animals from our Earth?

Also, is there anyone else in the world who shares your outlook in this? It seems rather unique.

There are few of us also dedicated Christians who have almost the same perspective of the Scripture with moot or minor differences (immaterial) - based on our view of the same.

As far as those creatures/animals are concerned...

Genesis 1:21 tells us that every living creature that moveth was created and brought forth from the water on Day 5 abundantly. This included the bringing forth from the water of what our scientist described as prehistoric mankind... but sons of God by the Scripture (Gen. 6).

Genesis 2 tells us of Creatures made from the dust. Some people see this as a contradiction, and falsely assume that God made a boo boo.

They are ignorant of the fact that God (Elohim) originally created every Living Creature that moved, from the water, on the 5th Day. The account of the formation of the beasts of the field and fowl of the air, from the Dust, on the 6th Day, is when the Son of God squeezed, as a potter would mould clay, and formed living creatures from the dust of the ground.

The creatures made from the dust were identical to those brought forth from the water, and could produce offspring when forming a union together, ref. (Gen.6).

The first Living Being made from the dust was man. Man was physically made on the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs... right after the mist that watered the whole face of the ground.*Gen 2:4-7 This gives Adam Preeminence or First Place among all other Living Creatures.

Like the other creatures, man also married and produced children with Prehistoric Beings brought forth from the water. That's where Cain's wife came from, and that is where Noah's grandsons married, on this “Planet of Apes” (scientist term).

Incest was never part of God’s righteousness of the multiplication process of mankind.

The fact is we have the DNA of the sons of God (Prehistoric Mankind) and we also have the Human Intelligence that can ONLY be inherited from Adam, the first Human. Yes, we all descended with modifications from a common ancestor,and his name is Adam.

IOW, the Almighty God Father created every living creature that moveth, from the water thru the power of his logos, on the 5th Day…… and Jesus produced their Kinds with his own hand from the dust of the ground, on the 6th Day and brought them to Adam to name them.

Today, "scientists" can't tell us the difference between those creatures created from the water, and those made from the dust. Only Jesus can tell us of their/his Kinds, which are identical with the Creatures created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day.

God Bless

Yttrium
12-26-2016, 03:17 AM
Today, "scientists" can't tell us the difference between those creatures created from the water, and those made from the dust. Only Jesus can tell us of their/his Kinds, which are identical with the Creatures created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day.


Okay, thanks for the clarification.

Seve
12-27-2016, 02:34 AM
Just in case others are wondering....

Here's how you can reconcile the MAKING of Adam from the dust of the ground based strictly on the Scripture:

Genesis 2:4-7 shows that man was formed of the dust the ground on the THIRD Day:

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10 These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Notice that these verses are continuing to identify the time on the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen 1:12-13

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants GREW, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground. Correct?

Read the next verses which confirm once again that Scripture is speaking of the THIRD Day.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Notice that the Trees were made AFTER the LORD made Adam on the THIRD Day in total agreement with Gen 1:12-13.

Also notice that man wasn't "created" but was formed out of dust becoming a natural living soul. In fact, Adam wasn't even created in the image and likeness of God until AFTER Eve was made from his rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 .. and committed their “original sin by disobeying our Lord’s commandment.

IOW, Adam was formed physically on the 3rd Day and created in God's Image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually and Eternally ONLY AFTER Adam and Eve have already committed their original sin ;.... kicked out of the garden of Eden....and AFTER Cain had already killed Abel…

In fact, the actual Creation Event took place during Seth’ generations… when Man started to call upon the name of the Lord - Gen 4:26; 5:1-2...... Amen?

God bless

P.S. Also, the Lord made a commitment and promise the following....

Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known:I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

shunyadragon
01-30-2017, 09:38 AM
Just in case others are wondering....

Here's how you can reconcile the MAKING of Adam from the dust of the ground based strictly on the Scripture:

Genesis 2:4-7 shows that man was formed of the dust the ground on the THIRD Day:

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10 These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Notice that these verses are continuing to identify the time on the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen 1:12-13

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants GREW, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground. Correct?

Read the next verses which confirm once again that Scripture is speaking of the THIRD Day.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Notice that the Trees were made AFTER the LORD made Adam on the THIRD Day in total agreement with Gen 1:12-13.

Also notice that man wasn't "created" but was formed out of dust becoming a natural living soul. In fact, Adam wasn't even created in the image and likeness of God until AFTER Eve was made from his rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 .. and committed their “original sin by disobeying our Lord’s commandment.

IOW, Adam was formed physically on the 3rd Day and created in God's Image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually and Eternally ONLY AFTER Adam and Eve have already committed their original sin ;.... kicked out of the garden of Eden....and AFTER Cain had already killed Abel…

In fact, the actual Creation Event took place during Seth’ generations… when Man started to call upon the name of the Lord - Gen 4:26; 5:1-2...... Amen?

God bless

P.S. Also, the Lord made a commitment and promise the following....

Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known:I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

Actually I am not wondering, because regardless of ancient scripture and mythology the issue is the science and the objective evidence of the natural relationship and evolution of our ancestors based on the DNA evidence.