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Janice
08-31-2016, 02:37 PM
Any doubts, assertiveness or remaining ties to the outside world are punished by the group through criticism, guilt and alienation. Questions and doubts are systematically "turned around" so that the doubter feels wrong, worthless, "evil" for questioning. The member is loved again when he renounces those doubts and submits to the will of the leader.
http://people.howstuffworks.com/cult4.htm

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Sparko
08-31-2016, 02:52 PM
What's the question?

Janice
08-31-2016, 02:58 PM
The part I bolded is what happened to me. Are there any ex-Mormons here?

Cow Poke
08-31-2016, 03:00 PM
I have seen that first hand. My wife and I - though we never set out to do this - have helped three couples and two individual women out of Mormonism. The very fact that they were talking to us triggered those things you're talking about. The one woman in Salt Lake city was told by her Stake President "talk to your husband about this". OK, he was abusing her, and the Church's response was "you need to work it out with him". When she tried to appeal, she was threatened with losing her Temple Recommend.

Same thing with the real estate agent in Houston who questioned his leadership about the outright LIE the Mormon President told about the building of the Temple in NW Houston. All he did was ask for an explanation - thinking I may have left out some important detail in showing him my evidence - and his leadership got quite angry at him for even asking the question.

Cow Poke
08-31-2016, 03:08 PM
The part I bolded is what happened to me.

First of all... :hug:


Are there any ex-Mormons here?

Punkinhead was a Mormon when we first met her on Tweb - she has since left the Mormon Church, and is in Seminary elsewhere. :joy: I like to think we (Twebbers) had a small hand in that, just loving and encouraging her, and exposing many of the lies of Mormonism.

Perhaps even more importantly (she can answer this) is the pigheadedness and conduct of some of the Mormon "apologists" we had back then -- NRAJeff, Other Cheek, LDSTrue, Jo151363726543161176274, and others.

(It may take her a while to respond, as she's just moved back to start another semester of school.)

Janice
08-31-2016, 03:08 PM
I don't even remember my question! I was shocked that I received such a rude reply. They baptized me two weeks after I had the first discussion and I didn't know you had to DIG for answers! That was way before internet.

Cerebrum123
08-31-2016, 03:09 PM
If you don't mind my asking, what was it that got you to see through the "brainwashing"?

Cow Poke
08-31-2016, 03:11 PM
I don't even remember my question! I was shocked that I received such a rude reply. They baptized me two weeks after I had the first discussion and I didn't know you had to DIG for answers! That was way before internet.

The Mormons are infamous for perverting the biblical principle of "line upon line, precept upon precept"... they can't give you straight answers until you accept the stuff they feed you, and even then, they have this thing about "answer the question they SHOULD have asked, not the question they ask".

But, yeah, I'm interested, like Brum, in hearing more about your Journey.

Janice
08-31-2016, 03:13 PM
First of all... :hug:

Thanks! :hug:




Perhaps even more importantly (she can answer this) is the pigheadedness and conduct of some of the Mormon "apologists" we had back then -- NRAJeff, Other Cheek, LDSTrue, Jo151363726543161176274, and others.

Yup. I've been at this for a long, long time.

Janice
08-31-2016, 03:19 PM
If you don't mind my asking, what was it that got you to see through the "brainwashing"?

I don't know if you'd say I was brainwashed. I had doubts a little over a year after I joined, and yet they made me feel like it was my own fault. A smarter person would have left sooner, but my eyes were truly opened when I kept looking at a plaque on my bedroom wall. Proverbs 3:5-6. God's word opened my eyes!

Sparko
08-31-2016, 03:20 PM
Cults like to turn friends and family against you too

You lose your whole world when you leave a cult because they isolate you from the world when you go in and from anyone you know in the cult when you leave

Janice
08-31-2016, 03:25 PM
Cults like to turn friends and family against you too

You lose your whole world when you leave a cult because they isolate you from the world when you go in and from anyone you know in the cult when you leave

Well, my best friend and family except for one sister had already left. And you know it was a traumatic experience to leave because people acted like I had the plague. But my Mormon friends who had moved to other states stayed in touch.

Cow Poke
08-31-2016, 03:28 PM
Well, my best friend and family except for one sister had already left. And you know it was a traumatic experience to leave because people acted like I had the plague.

Yeah, the woman in SLC really didn't know a single person who wasn't Mormon -- she lost her 'church family', her job was at a Mormon owned business, her neighbors..... she really felt alone. We found a Church for her south of SLC that just welcomed and loved her --- their Pastor was ex-Mormon, so he knew! :smile:

Cerebrum123
08-31-2016, 03:31 PM
I don't know if you'd say I was brainwashed. I had doubts a little over a year after I joined, and yet they made me feel like it was my own fault. A smarter person would have left sooner, but my eyes were truly opened when I kept looking at a plaque on my bedroom wall. Proverbs 3:5-6. God's word opened my eyes!

The underlined is kind of the intent of brainwashing. The isolation just reinforces this because you can't get any "outside" information/opinion to counter it.

Thanks for answering, and I'm glad you got out of it.

Janice
08-31-2016, 03:51 PM
The underlined is kind of the intent of brainwashing. The isolation just reinforces this because you can't get any "outside" information/opinion to counter it.

Thanks for answering, and I'm glad you got out of it.

Thank YOU! In my neighborhood, no one wanted to be friends when I was a Mormon. I've been an ex-Mormon most of my life now.

Janice
08-31-2016, 03:53 PM
Yeah, the woman in SLC really didn't know a single person who wasn't Mormon -- she lost her 'church family', her job was at a Mormon owned business, her neighbors..... she really felt alone. We found a Church for her south of SLC that just welcomed and loved her --- their Pastor was ex-Mormon, so he knew! :smile:

An ex-Mormon pastor! That would be fun.

KingsGambit
08-31-2016, 04:43 PM
Yeah, the woman in SLC really didn't know a single person who wasn't Mormon -- she lost her 'church family', her job was at a Mormon owned business, her neighbors..... she really felt alone. We found a Church for her south of SLC that just welcomed and loved her --- their Pastor was ex-Mormon, so he knew! :smile:

That sorta surprises me. I've read that Mormons call SLC "Apostate City" because so many non-Mormons live there.

37818
08-31-2016, 06:11 PM
Janice,

You have found a good place here at Tweb.

Cow Poke
08-31-2016, 06:42 PM
That sorta surprises me. I've read that Mormons call SLC "Apostate City" because so many non-Mormons live there.

Had never heard that, and been there several times, but... who knows.

Janice
08-31-2016, 07:10 PM
Janice,

You have found a good place here at Tweb.

Actually, I was here years and years ago, but I think the site crashed or something because now it says I joined in 2014.

Cerebrum123
09-01-2016, 06:37 AM
Actually, I was here years and years ago, but I think the site crashed or something because now it says I joined in 2014.

We lost a lot of stuff when the site crashed.

Cow Poke
09-01-2016, 06:42 AM
We lost a lot of stuff when the site crashed.

And people. :sad:

DesertBerean
09-01-2016, 08:33 AM
First of all... :hug:



Punkinhead was a Mormon when we first met her on Tweb - she has since left the Mormon Church, and is in Seminary elsewhere. :joy: I like to think we (Twebbers) had a small hand in that, just loving and encouraging her, and exposing many of the lies of Mormonism.

Perhaps even more importantly (she can answer this) is the pigheadedness and conduct of some of the Mormon "apologists" we had back then -- NRAJeff, Other Cheek, LDSTrue, Jo151363726543161176274, and others.

(It may take her a while to respond, as she's just moved back to start another semester of school.)

You might want to explain who Punkin head is.

37818
09-01-2016, 12:11 PM
January 2014 the Tweb crew got her back up.

Cow Poke
09-01-2016, 02:28 PM
You might want to explain who Punkin head is.

Ah, her! :smile: Ke7ejx (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/member.php?12-ke7ejx&tab=aboutme#aboutme)

Christianbookworm
09-01-2016, 05:51 PM
:hug: I'd say one of the red flags of a cult is if they don't allow questions. The truth has nothing to fear and everything to gain by questions and the search for knowledge. So, something fishy is going on if someone claims that any questions are evil.

Hypothetical conversation between me(cbw) and a potential cult leader(let's call him Bob).

Bob: My group is the only way one can be saved. It is the one true chrch.

CBW: Really? Why do you think that?

Bob: Because! Now stop asking stupid questions and just believe. Questions are of the devil!

CBW: Really? Prove it.

Bob: You are arrogant and must repent!

CBW: You seem like a cult leader to me...

Bob: Oh no! I'm not a cult leader. It's just that everyone else got it wrong! I am the only one that got it right!

CBW: There's plenty other people just you...

Catholicity
09-01-2016, 07:11 PM
I miss LDSTrue though :sad:

Cow Poke
09-01-2016, 07:14 PM
I miss LDSTrue though :sad:

The boy was entertaining.

Janice
09-02-2016, 11:16 AM
Well, when I peek at different forums on the net, they've become pretty boring. The Mormons seldom give genuine answers.

Cow Poke
09-02-2016, 12:17 PM
Well, when I peek at different forums on the net, they've become pretty boring. The Mormons seldom give genuine answers.

When we had some hot debates going, I always tried to use Mormon sources to refute the 'apologists', and was often amused at the clumsy "dog ate my homework" answers and explanations found on FairMormon.org.

I especially enjoyed the occasional warning to Mormons "not to read further, as it may be damaging to your faith". :yes:

Bill the Cat
09-02-2016, 06:22 PM
I miss LDSTrue though :sad:

Bite your tongue! :glare:

ke7ejx
09-02-2016, 08:20 PM
Ah, her! :smile: Ke7ejx (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/member.php?12-ke7ejx&tab=aboutme#aboutme)

:hi:

Cow Poke
09-02-2016, 08:29 PM
:hi:

Hey, Punkinhead! :hug:

ke7ejx
09-02-2016, 08:35 PM
Hey, Punkinhead! :hug:

:hug: Hey, Creacher.

Janice
09-02-2016, 10:51 PM
When we had some hot debates going, I always tried to use Mormon sources to refute the 'apologists', and was often amused at the clumsy "dog ate my homework" answers and explanations found on FairMormon.org.

I especially enjoyed the occasional warning to Mormons "not to read further, as it may be damaging to your faith". :yes:

Half the time they accuse people of not giving correct info, but they won't say how it's wrong.

ke7ejx
09-05-2016, 10:26 AM
Punkinhead was a Mormon when we first met her on Tweb - she has since left the Mormon Church, and is in Seminary elsewhere.

Bible college, actually. I go to Seminary in two years.


I like to think we (Twebbers) had a small hand in that, just loving and encouraging her, and exposing many of the lies of Mormonism.

More than a small hand. :hug:


Perhaps even more importantly (she can answer this) is the pigheadedness and conduct of some of the Mormon "apologists" we had back then -- NRAJeff, Other Cheek, LDSTrue, Jo151363726543161176274, and others.

Not really. They just irritated the crap out of me.


(It may take her a while to respond, as she's just moved back to start another semester of school.)

Well those BA in History and Christian Ministry won't earn themselves. :wink:

Cow Poke
09-05-2016, 10:28 AM
Half the time they accuse people of not giving correct info, but they won't say how it's wrong.

I think, the more they try to explain stuff, the more they realize how dumb it sounds.

Janice
09-05-2016, 10:57 AM
I like to think we (Twebbers) had a small hand in that, just loving and encouraging her, and exposing many of the lies of Mormonism.

Do you always ridicule Mormons as you did in the thread I started? If I were a Mormon, I would leave this site.

Cow Poke
09-05-2016, 11:03 AM
Do you always ridicule Mormons as you did in the thread I started? If I were a Mormon, I would leave this site.

:huh:

Janice
09-05-2016, 11:18 AM
:huh:

I don't mean that as a criticism. I just get grieved when people find humor in the fact that people are lost(spiritually blind and deaf). And I'm not without fault --- I've had to learn to bite my tongue !

Bill the Cat
09-05-2016, 02:37 PM
Do you always ridicule Mormons as you did in the thread I started?

Only the ones who lie, obfuscate, and act like general asshats. Like LDSTrue did.


If I were a Mormon, I would leave this site.

The ones who stayed have converted. See Ke7 and JustJohnna for evidence...

ke7ejx
09-05-2016, 04:00 PM
Teasing is not ridiculing and I've never seen them doing with ill intentions. Some people really just need to grow some skin.