View Full Version : AP: Infant Survives Late Term Abortion--Killed by Staff
Dee Dee Warren
February 7th 2009, 10:24 PM
This is an awful, awful story: The photo at left is of a 22-week prematurely born infant. According to the AP--no pro life outlet--a more developed infant survived a late term abortion in Florida only to be put in a plastic bag and thrown out by a staffer at the abortion clinic. From the story: (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jJYykrsdytHiypY5WXf0A7AAY5MAD965JKE00)
Eighteen and pregnant, Sycloria Williams went to an abortion clinic outside Miami and paid $1,200 for Dr. Pierre Jean-Jacque Renelique to terminate her 23-week pregnancy.
Three days later, she sat in a reclining chair, medicated to dilate her cervix and otherwise get her ready for the procedure. Only Renelique didn't arrive in time. According to Williams and the Florida Department of Health, she went into labor and delivered a live baby girl.
What Williams and the Health Department say happened next has shocked people on both sides of the abortion debate: One of the clinic's owners, who has no medical license, cut the infant's umbilical cord. Williams says the woman placed the baby in a plastic biohazard bag and threw it out. Police recovered the decomposing remains in a cardboard box a week later after getting anonymous tips.
While in the Illinois Legislature, our president said that a proposed state law to protect the lives of such babies was unconstitutional and unnecessary, even referring to babies that survive abortions as "a previable child or fetus, however you want to describe it. (http://www.wesleyjsmith.com/blog/2008/09/barach-obama-apparently-doesnt-know.html) "If this story is true, she was a born infant--and she was murdered. President Obama should be asked for a comment. Moreover, he should be asked about the Freedom of Choice Act, that would eliminate the Federal Infant Born Alive Protection Act and similar state laws--like the one in Illinois that passed despite his "present" vote--designed to protect babies such as this.
This matter should be investigated thoroughly. If the coroner finds that the baby was indeed alive when she was born, the abortion clinic owner should be prosecuted for murder. If Florida won't act, the Feds should enforce the still-in-effect Infant Born Alive Protection Act.
http://www.wesleyjsmith.com/blog/2009/02/ap-infant-survives-late-term-abortion.html
Manwë Súlimo
February 7th 2009, 10:27 PM
How can someone put a squirming, moving, living, breathing human into a plastic bag and just....
My God.
princesa
February 7th 2009, 10:38 PM
according to the article the autopsy already showed evidence in her lungs of being alive. this is all the prosecutor needs to file murder charges.
if all they do is revoke his license that's the equivalent of giving him the green light on this. this gonzales person is a criminal, cold and calculated.
yxboom
February 7th 2009, 10:50 PM
How can someone put a squirming, moving, living, breathing human into a plastic bag and just....
My God.
you any idea what that human would have underwent before being put into that plastic bag
mossrose
February 7th 2009, 10:54 PM
My daughter is 23 weeks pregnant.
This just disturbs me no end.
I am heartsick.
ChemMJW
February 8th 2009, 12:21 AM
Terrible, simply terrible.
Kyrie, eleison.
Christe, eleison.
Kyrie, eleison.
Manwë Súlimo
February 8th 2009, 12:25 AM
Terrible, simply terrible.
Kyrie, eleison.
Christe, eleison.
Kyrie, eleison.
More like, "Lord, give judgment." How long can His holiness give way to His mercy for a crime like murder?
Vigilante
February 8th 2009, 12:33 AM
Wow, and it's not the first time a live baby has been "discarded" either. What hope does a culture have when there is no respect for its own young and the process of life?
Manwë Súlimo
February 8th 2009, 12:35 AM
What hope does a culture have when there is no respect for its own young and the process of life?
None.
Ex Nihilo
February 8th 2009, 12:58 AM
This makes me want to cry.
My son was born at 27 weeks and we get him home (finally) next week. One of our NICU friends had their son at 22 weeks and the fought to keep him alive for over a month.
I've never really stood on either side of the fence before my NICU experience. Now I can't see how someone could do something as horrid as this.
I just don't understand what part of a person can be so shut off to do something like this.
Ex Nihilo
February 8th 2009, 01:09 AM
I found more when I searched the woman's name:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/06/florida.abortion/
Check out these gems...
The baby's mother, Sycloria Williams, sued Renelique, the clinic and its staff in January, seeking damages.
She alleges in her suit that "she witnessed the murder of her daughter" and said she "sustained severe emotional distress, shock and psychic trauma which have resulted in discernible bodily injury."
"The complainant [Williams] observed the baby moving and gasping for air for approximately five minutes," according to a police affidavit requesting a search warrant for the clinic.
Really?
Manwë Súlimo
February 8th 2009, 01:11 AM
I found more when I searched the woman's name:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/06/florida.abortion/
Check out these gems...
Really?
Let me get this straight! This repulsive harpie wants to sue because she didn't like the sight of her baby dying? But she wanted it dead anyway?!
UGH! It's enough to make me a hypocrite and want to shoot her!
Ex Nihilo
February 8th 2009, 01:19 AM
Let me get this straight! This repulsive harpie wants to sue because she didn't like the sight of her baby dying? But she wanted it dead anyway?!
UGH! It's enough to make me a hypocrite and want to shoot her!
I was thinking that wishing harm on her was appropriate, but then I realized that it makes us look bad for doing so. Interestingly, I thought this was recent, but it looks like this is an old case (2006 was the date of the event).
It looks like the sentencing was really the trigger that brought this back to life.
As for her, remember when we talked about me being libertarian in the Phelps thread? This is where I think it's most appropriate. God will judge people like her in his time, and she will pay severly for it.
I weep for this little baby though, dead for two years. I guess my exposure to my preemie has made me more compassionate to these young ones and their inability to defend themselves.
Manwë Súlimo
February 8th 2009, 01:23 AM
God will judge people like her in his time, and she will pay severly for it.
Yes. But if abortion is (God willing) ever seen as the abomination it is and outlawed as such, I would like the pleasure of sentencing these murderers in a court of law.
Ex Nihilo
February 8th 2009, 01:25 AM
Yes. But if abortion is (God willing) ever seen as the abomination it is and outlawed as such, I would like the pleasure of sentencing these murderers in a court of law.
Hmmm. Certian ones, I guess. The problem is that some people (dizzle being an example) realized that they made a mistake.
I can't blame the truly repentant (technically, I can't blame anyone, it's God's business, but you get my point).
Manwë Súlimo
February 8th 2009, 01:27 AM
Hmmm. Certian ones, I guess. The problem is that some people (dizzle being an example) realized that they made a mistake.
I can't blame the truly repentant (technically, I can't blame anyone, it's God's business, but you get my point).
True. Those that have "seen the light" should be shown mercy.
faithymom
February 8th 2009, 01:51 AM
Grr. This stuff infuriates me.
My husband's cousin was born at 25 weeks.
She lived for 11 years before being killed by a drunk driver.
The man is being charged with manslaughter...but had her mother decided to kill her just after birth it would have been okay?!?!?!?!?!
WTH!? It's the SAME person, just at different ages.
ChemMJW
February 8th 2009, 11:55 AM
More like, "Lord, give judgment." How long can His holiness give way to His mercy for a crime like murder?
It's a valid question, and I do not know the answer.
However, I am always rather hesitant to entreat God's judgment on someone, lest a similar judgment fall on me all too soon . . .
Sheepdog
February 8th 2009, 12:06 PM
business as usual at your local Family Planning. Nothing to see here, move along.
Manwë Súlimo
February 8th 2009, 01:18 PM
However, I am always rather hesitant to entreat God's judgment on someone, lest a similar judgment fall on me all too soon . . .
Well, I sincerely doubt you partake in abortions yourself, and this is also an act that has been taking place for decades. Its not a knee jerk reaction.
princesa
February 8th 2009, 01:34 PM
it's near impossible not to be taken over by emotion on this however,
looking at the facts from these articles, for 2 years, with evidence of the baby having been born alive and subsequently allowed to die, and witnesses to this account from the mother herself, why isn't this an open and shut case?
what is there to 'deliberate' really.
as far as God's judgment, well, who can say really. only He knows their hearts.
Manwë Súlimo
February 8th 2009, 01:36 PM
as far as God's judgment, well, who can say really. only He knows their hearts.
But we can make some darn good educated guesses.
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