An admission + asking JohnMartin for some help

[hansgeorg]

I have also written the admission on my blog here, and here it is, copied from blog as status of question:

Admitting a Discrepancy Previously Undetected

[JonF]

Easy.

Magic.

(BTW, the speed boost rockets gain by being launched east->west is east-west velocity, not vertical velocity. You really do need another aether wind to do that.)

[Sparko]

[rogue06]

Easy.

Magic.

(BTW, the speed boost rockets gain by being launched east->west is east-west velocity, not vertical velocity. You really do need another aether wind to do that.)

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[JohnMartin]

But, I would appreciate another mechanic solution for Geostationary Satellites, perhaps along same lines as mine, but involving no such discrepancy as here discovered.

Why not use the model proposed by Malcolm Bowden using Machs principle?

I don't believe the Helio model accounts for geosynchronous satellites. The Helios merely claim the motions of the earth through space can be ignored and the Helio model of the satellites does ignore the earth's motions. So if we come up with a model that does ignore the earth's motions, the Helios complain about us ignoring the Helio motions and not having a model that accounts for the satellites. The eclecticism of the Helio model only means there is alternative model other than the Geo model that has other problems. It seems both the Helio and the Geo models have different problems. The major problem with the Helio model is the Geo model has been revealed by God. So the Helios have no divine mandate to push their model. We geos do have a divine mandate, and have a confidence of faith that although we do not understand all the details of the Geo universe, we know we have the correct model.

JM

[oxmixmudd]

Why not use the model proposed by Malcolm Bowden using Machs principle?

I don't believe the Helio model accounts for geosynchronous satellites. The Helios merely claim the motions of the earth through space can be ignored and the Helio model of the satellites does ignore the earth's motions. So if we come up with a model that does ignore the earth's motions, the Helios complain about us ignoring the Helio motions and not having a model that accounts for the satellites. The eclecticism of the Helio model only means there is alternative model other than the Geo model that has other problems. It seems both the Helio and the Geo models have different problems. The major problem with the Helio model is the Geo model has been revealed by God. So the Helios have no divine mandate to push their model. We geos do have a divine mandate, and have a confidence of faith that although we do not understand all the details of the Geo universe, we know we have the correct model.

JM

Geosynchronous satellites are very simple to both account for and to predict in the model where there is an inverse square law force called gravity and the Earth rotates about its axis once every twenty four hours. One simply need understand

1) the concept of an orbit - where an obect is moving perendicular to the force of gravity at a velocity that is such that the amount the object falls is exactly equal to the amount the Earth curves away from the object.

2) the concept of an atmosphere of limited extent. High enough up and friction no longer will slow the moving object.

3) the inverse square law: As the object increases its altitude, the speed required to maintain orbit slows.

4) the idea the Earth rotates.

Since an orbit at 100 miles or so takes roughly 90 minutes, and that the period of an orbit increases with altitude as the gravitational force decreases, It is clear that eventually, once one is high enough, the orbital period will be equal to the period of the Earth's rotation. That alititude is around 22,230 miles. If the orbit is also aligned with the equator, the satellite will appear to remain stationary over the same spot on the Earth.

It is a fairly basic concept. And when we place geosynchronous satellites, they sit right where they should based on the basic parameters described above. The fact one can position a satellite in a geosynchronous orbit would have forever eluded geocentric 'believers', but is fairly easily deduced from the 'normal' approach what John calls the 'heliocentric view'. And a good thing too! It would be a very different and more difficult world without geosynchronous satellites!


Jim

[HMS_Beagle]

Geosynchronous satellites are very simple to both account for and to predict in the model where there is an inverse square law force called gravity and the Earth rotates about its axis once every twenty four hours. One simply need understand

All this has been explained to Moonbat at least a dozen times in the many threads we've had here on the topic. You might as well try explaining tensor calculus to your cat.

[robrecht]

All this has been explained to Moonbat at least a dozen times in the many threads we've had here on the topic. You might as well try explaining tensor calculus to your cat.

My cat acts like he really does understand.

[JohnMartin]

Geosynchronous satellites are very simple to both account for and to predict in the model where there is an inverse square law force called gravity and the Earth rotates about its axis once every twenty four hours. One simply need understand

1) the concept of an orbit - where an object is moving perpendicular to the force of gravity at a velocity that is such that the amount the object falls is exactly equal to the amount the Earth curves away from the object.

2) the concept of an atmosphere of limited extent. High enough up and friction no longer will slow the moving object.

3) the inverse square law: As the object increases its altitude, the speed required to maintain orbit slows.

4) the idea the Earth rotates.

Since an orbit at 100 miles or so takes roughly 90 minutes, and that the period of an orbit increases with altitude as the gravitational force decreases, It is clear that eventually, once one is high enough, the orbital period will be equal to the period of the Earth's rotation. That altitude is around 22,230 miles. If the orbit is also aligned with the equator, the satellite will appear to remain stationary over the same spot on the Earth.

It is a fairly basic concept. And when we place geosynchronous satellites, they sit right where they should based on the basic parameters described above. The fact one can position a satellite in a geosynchronous orbit would have forever eluded geocentric 'believers', but is fairly easily deduced from the 'normal' approach what John calls the 'heliocentric view'. And a good thing too! It would be a very different and more difficult world without geosynchronous satellites!


Jim

[JohnMartin]

All this has been explained to Moonbat at least a dozen times in the many threads we've had here on the topic. You might as well try explaining tensor calculus to your cat.

According to Jim Newtonian mechanics is used to determine the satellite orbit around the earth. Yet, Newtonian mechanics provides no mechanism and no force that can push and pull on each satellite as the earth accelerates and decelerates around the sun. Moreover, each satellite must twist 180^o

[JohnMartin]

My cat acts like he really does understand.

Your cat is a Heliocentrist.

JM

[robrecht]

Your cat is a Heliocentrist.

JM

He is secretly very much amused by this silly debate.

[shunyadragon]

My cat acts like he really does understand.

Cows orient north-south when they feed in a herd. They understand too.

[hansgeorg]

Why not use the model proposed by Malcolm Bowden using Machs principle?

I will look on the video, but am somewhat afraid it might involve similar problems are mine previously.

Thanks, now I need to get to another library before returning to this thread (perhaps not immediately).

[Roy]

According to Jim Newtonian mechanics is used to determine the satellite orbit around the earth. Yet, Newtonian mechanics provides no mechanism and no force that can push and pull on each satellite as the earth accelerates and decelerates around the sun.

The gravitational attraction between the sun and the satellite.

Moreover, each satellite must twist 180^o every 6 months as the earth orbits the sun.

...and the satellite also orbits the sun.

Still.