Vatican secrets.

[Maxell]

I have heard that in Vatican there are top secret room in Vatican library, where no-one could enter. Is this true?
Also i have heard that there are original gospels hidden somewhere under Vatican church, which are very different than our gospels.
Any one have info??

http://pub141.ezboard.com/fxprojectforumfrm7.showMessageRange?topicID=117.topic&start=21&stop=32

They might even have the original Ebionite Gospel but that is only of secondary interest. The Ebionites claimed the Catholics seized their manuscripts after declaring the early Jewish Christians heretics.

[spl_cadet]

You've already been answered on CARM so I'll just link you back there. (http://new.carmforums.org/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=107&topic_id=24770&mesg_id=24770&page=)

[Sozo]

Yes, there is a separate room at the Vatican, I think that is where MJ takes all the altar boys for sleep overs when in Italy.

[Alden]

:eww:

[spl_cadet]

Sozo, that post is way out of line!

[Jaltus]

I agree.

Sozo,

Please refrain from making those kinds of comments.

I would refer you to:TWeb rules. (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=924#post924)

This is a family forum encouraging the presence of adults and young adults alike. Please keep in mind the presence of children and youth in posting.

and also to

1. No posts or profiles shall contain any intentionally obscene, profane (or generally distasteful) language, pictures, references, abbreviations or links.

While you may be able to justify a remark like that, it does not mean it is in either good taste or in Christian love. It was an unprovoked character assassination (more of the RCC than of MJ).

[Sozo]

02-26-2003 @ 03:38 PM
Jaltus:

It was an unprovoked character assassination (more of the RCC than of MJ).

Yes, it was. The RCC is much more despicable than MJ ever was.

However, I take note of the "children" aspect, (even though I would never allow my own children to view such an array of false teaching, and aberrant doctrines propagated by Catholics and other anti-Christ cults).

[Jaltus]

Good grief.

Anyway, if you don't let your children see false teaching, how will they ever learn discernment?

Err, sorry to change the subject. Maybe that should be a different thread or you could PM me.

[spl_cadet]

02-26-2003 @ 01:47 PM
Sozo:
Yes, it was. The RCC is much more despicable than MJ ever was.

You are right. Any group that produces peole like Mother Teresa has to be more despicable than MJ.

[Sozo]

02-26-2003 @ 05:15 PM
spl_cadet:



You are right. Any group that produces peole like Mother Teresa has to be more despicable than MJ.

There has not been in the last 100 years, as far as I know, a person who was more giving, kind, & self-sacrificing than Mother Teresa. But, unless your righteousness exceeds hers, you shall not enter the kingdom of God! As a matter of fact, neither will she (if she did) based on anything she ever did, but only if she at some point at the end of her life accepted Christ as the only Way, Truth, and Life!

Just a few of her thoughts...

"We gather to thank God for the 40 years of the beautiful work of the United Nations for the good of people. No color, no religion, no nationality should come between us--we are all children of God"

and...

"If in coming face to face with God we accept Him in our lives, then we ... become a better Hindu, a better Muslim, a better Catholic, a better whatever we are ... What God is in your mind you must accept."

and...

"At the word of a priest, that little piece of bread becomes the body of Christ, the Bread of Life. Then you give this living Bread to us, so that we too might live and become holy. ... We and our people are hungry for God, hungry for holiness. I have seen this same hunger even among Hindus and Muslims"

Mother Teresa participated in the "Summit for Peace" in Assisi, Italy, in November 1986. This blasphemous prayer meeting was arranged by the Pope and was attended by leaders of many different religions, including Hindu, Buddhist, Islamic, Shinto, Sikh, and North American Indian--all of whom united in prayers for world peace.

Generous? Yes! A Christian? Not hardly (based on what she said)

[ItalianGold]

Sozo on Mother Theresa
There has not been in the last 100 years, as far as I know, a person who was more giving, kind, & self-sacrificing than Mother Teresa. But, unless your righteousness exceeds hers, you shall not enter the kingdom of God! As a matter of fact, neither will she (if she did) based on anything she ever did, but only if she at some point at the end of her life accepted Christ as the only Way, Truth, and Life! Yes, I'm sure Jesus would stress that being exclusive was part of his message. It's important to have others to vilify.
Then he quotes her:
"At the word of a priest, that little piece of bread becomes the body of Christ, the Bread of Life. Then you give this living Bread to us, so that we too might live and become holy. ... We and our people are hungry for God, hungry for holiness. I have seen this same hunger even among Hindus and Muslims"
Then Sozo says:
Mother Teresa participated in the "Summit for Peace" in Assisi, Italy, in November 1986. This blasphemous prayer meeting was arranged by the Pope and was attended by leaders of many different religions, including Hindu, Buddhist, Islamic, Shinto, Sikh, and North American Indian--all of whom united in prayers for world peace.
And goes on to judge:
Generous? Yes! A Christian? Not hardly (based on what she said)

The one thing I find most interesting about many modern Fundamentalists is their absolute insistance that loving your neighbor, doing unto others, clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, comforting the sick, etc. are exercises in futility. In your case Sozo, you've made it clear in many posts that you believe, therefore you don't have to do one single thing to gain eternal life. The thing is...IF you are truly saved, enlightened, awakened, you have no choice but to do these things. They become your prime motivation. Being saved is life changing. "And by their fruits you shall know them."
This seems to me to be so clear. But it's misunderstood by many modern Christians. It isn't a matter of accepting the articles of your faith, it's a matter of accepting Christ into your heart, being filled with the Holy Spirit, having a knowing that God is Love. With this knowing comes the works, the fruit.

[Rubia Warren]

Dude, you just totally left out the point that Sozo was making about MT's interfaith statements.
Obviously, she was very generous, and sacrificed for others, but those statements that she made were not christian at all. Jesus is the one who said that He was the only way, he didn't say that charitable works were the way. Much of what Sozo quoted from her was completely going against what the bible says.

[Sozo]

02-26-2003 @ 09:55 PM
ItalianGold:


The one thing I find most interesting about many modern Fundamentalists is their absolute insistance that loving your neighbor, doing unto others, clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, comforting the sick, etc. are exercises in futility.

Those are deeds that should be done by all, Christian or not. But, none of it makes you right with God.In your case Sozo, you've made it clear in many posts that you believe, therefore you don't have to do one single thing to gain eternal life. That is correct, Jesus is the redeemer, not me.And by their fruits you shall know them This verse applies to false prophets, not Christians. Christians are the recipients of the fruit of the Spirit. It isn't a matter of accepting the articles of your faith, it's a matter of accepting Christ into your heart, being filled with the Holy Spirit, having a knowing that God is Love. With this knowing comes the works, the fruit.No, it is God who does the work in you, and you share His love with others. Athiests can do all the same things that Christians claim that Christians should be doing as "works", it does not make them fruit bearers.

[kiwimac]

02-27-2003 @ 09:47 AM
Sozo:



Yes, it was. The RCC is much more despicable than MJ ever was.

However, I take note of the "children" aspect, (even though I would never allow my own children to view such an array of false teaching, and aberrant doctrines propagated by Catholics and other anti-Christ cults).

Hmmm, methinks this is a crock of biological waste-product of an exceedingly strong nature such as would overwhelmingly enhance vegetative growth. Or as my sainted Grandmother would have said, " its heiferdust!"

Once again we can see that commonest of birds, the lesser-spotted bigot as it circles our houses, alights in our trees, croaks out its inherently prejudiced song and fills our gutters with its ordure.

Frankly, this kind of bigotry makes me ashamed to be a christian!


Kiwimac:ahem:

[Rubia Warren]

:huh: Hmmm... I guess Jesus was the biggest bigot of all. How dare He say that He was the only way to the Father! And how dare He warn against false teachers! And rebuke false religious leaders? Bad, Jesus, bad!!:bonk:

[Sozo]

02-27-2003 @ 05:11 AM
kiwimac:
Hmmm, methinks this is a crock of biological waste-product of an exceedingly strong nature such as would overwhelmingly enhance vegetative growth. Or as my sainted Grandmother would have said, " its heiferdust!"

Once again we can see that commonest of birds, the lesser-spotted bigot as it circles our houses, alights in our trees, croaks out its inherently prejudiced song and fills our gutters with its ordure.

Frankly, this kind of bigotry makes me ashamed to be a christian!

Kiwimac:ahem:

So, in your estimation, truth is irrelevant? As long as we tolerate anything, we can be "proud" to be Christians?

Your attitude is exactly why virtually no accountability was administered by this godlesss cult for the years of molesting small children. But, of that, I guess you find no shame.

[spl_cadet]

Those statements are actually a bit out of context. The surrounding sentences show that she wasn't in any way Unitarian or any such. I'll try and find them.

[Jaltus]

As for MT, people can still be Christian and yet WRONG.

[Sozo]

02-27-2003 @ 10:52 PM
Jaltus:

As for MT, people can still be Christian and yet WRONG.

How wrong, for how long, will one be, if one is born-again?

[spl_cadet]

02-27-2003 @ 09:01 PM
Sozo:
How wrong, for how long, will one be, if one is born-again?

Their entire lives if Protestantism keeps going.

[Jaltus]

Considering how wide a range of RCC there is, I'd keep comments like that to myself.

[spl_cadet]

03-01-2003 @ 04:00 PM
Jaltus:
Considering how wide a range of RCC there is, I'd keep comments like that to myself.

There isn't a wide range of Catholics however.There are the orthodox Catholics who follow the Church, and the liberal heretics who are rather vocal.

[Sozo]

03-02-2003 @ 09:33 AM
spl_cadet:



There isn't a wide range of Catholics however.There are the orthodox Catholics who follow the Church, and the liberal heretics who are rather vocal.

And then there are the Christians who follow Christ, none of which are Catholic.

[spl_cadet]

03-02-2003 @ 07:56 AM
Sozo:
And then there are the Christians who follow Christ, none of which are Catholic.

I beg to differ, seeing as how I'm a rather living proof of the falsehood of that statement.

[Sozo]

03-02-2003 @ 09:58 AM
spl_cadet:



I beg to differ, seeing as how I'm a rather living proof of the falsehood of that statement.

So then whom do you follow, Christ or the RCC?

It can't be both, they are not in agreement.

[spl_cadet]

03-02-2003 @ 08:01 AM
Sozo:
So then whom do you follow, Christ or the RCC?

It can't be both, they are not in agreement.

I follow both as they are wonderfully in agreement. Besides, without the Catholic Church (FYI, there's no such thing as the Roman Catholic Church. That was an insult made up by Anglican's. Plus it rather ticks off all those belonging to the Eastern Rites and not the Latin Rite that you are more familiar with) Christ would have lied. Otherwise, until the 16th century there would have been no Christians. Since Matthew 16:18 states that the Church that Christ founded wouldn't fail and Christ isn't a liar, the Catholic Church must be the Church that Christ founded.

[OMEGA7]

That is where they hide the Bible.

They go there once a year to Glance at it and Shudder

because they know that Destruction is coming upon the Catholic Church.

[XaositectCrayon]

and let me guess that bible is the king james version? written in the 1400s (if I am not mistaken...)


considering the catholic bible was compiled before the first millenium...