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InvisibleMan
June 14th 2010, 01:23 PM
Let me ask you: Are you a Christian first, and an American second? Or an American first, and a Christian second?

I've asked this question many times, and if you're like most Christians, you'll say you're a Christian first.

I on the other hand have no allegiance to any religion, so I can be an American First!

Those who have an allegiance to some religion cannot be the same. They sometimes have trouble "rendering to Caesar". And when it comes down to a clash between their country and their religion, they will choose the latter.
One Bad Pig
June 14th 2010, 01:52 PM
Let me ask you: Are you a Christian first, and an American second? Or an American first, and a Christian second?

I've asked this question many times, and if you're like most Christians, you'll say you're a Christian first.

I on the other hand have no allegiance to any religion, so I can be an American First!
Bully for you. Is this just some hypothetical exercise, or do you have some way of showing your patriotism?


Those who have an allegiance to some religion cannot be the same. They sometimes have trouble "rendering to Caesar". And when it comes down to a clash between their country and their religion, they will choose the latter.
Is this more hypothetical stuff, or do you have specific examples in mind? American government is specifically set up so there IS no clash between country and religion - so the fact that I'm religious has no impact on my patriotism.
Philosophickle
June 14th 2010, 02:34 PM
I'm a Christian living in America.
Chrs
June 14th 2010, 03:02 PM
I'm an agnostic living in England. None of this patriotism malarkey. :hehe:

(The tea's good though)
CodewordConduit
June 14th 2010, 03:13 PM
Let me ask you: Are you a Christian first, and an American second? Or an American first, and a Christian second?

I've asked this question many times, and if you're like most Christians, you'll say you're a Christian first.

I on the other hand have no allegiance to any religion, so I can be an American First!

Those who have an allegiance to some religion cannot be the same. They sometimes have trouble "rendering to Caesar". And when it comes down to a clash between their country and their religion, they will choose the latter.

You wish you were a patriot. America is a nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles ya know. Get back to Eurasia, or wherever it is that atheists come from, and take your granola and hackey sacks with you.... or so help me, I'll start to Godwin.
lilpixieofterror
June 14th 2010, 04:07 PM
Let me ask you: Are you a Christian first, and an American second? Or an American first, and a Christian second?

I've asked this question many times, and if you're like most Christians, you'll say you're a Christian first.

I on the other hand have no allegiance to any religion, so I can be an American First!

Those who have an allegiance to some religion cannot be the same. They sometimes have trouble "rendering to Caesar". And when it comes down to a clash between their country and their religion, they will choose the latter.

Does this rant have a point or are you just here to rant? Anyway... I joined the military, how about you?
Alcoth
June 14th 2010, 04:42 PM
God bless America.
Conductor42
June 14th 2010, 04:58 PM
American government is specifically set up so there IS no clash between country and religion

Then it has failed miserably.
Cybelle Hawke
June 14th 2010, 06:04 PM
I on the other hand have no allegiance to any religion, so I can be an American First!

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To be an American you have to "breathe" its culture and moral.... which has a strong link to God.
Manwë Súlimo
June 14th 2010, 06:08 PM
Actually I am a God-fearer first, Mosschell Activist second, Tolkienite third, American fourth, hamburger casserole lover fifth, and Distressed Watcher hater sixth. I'm awesome like that.
ApologiaPhoenix
June 14th 2010, 06:09 PM
Actually I am a God-fearer first, Mosschell Activist second, Tolkienite third, American fourth, hamburger casserole lover fifth, and Distressed Watcher hater sixth. I'm awesome like that.

You left out "horny doofus."
Manwë Súlimo
June 14th 2010, 06:12 PM
You left out "horny doofus."

Oh, sorry.

And I am NOT an atheist first, horny doofus second, Obama worshiper third....
ApologiaPhoenix
June 14th 2010, 06:15 PM
Oh, sorry.

And I am NOT an atheist first, horny doofus second, Obama worshiper third....

The horny doofus is in denial....
rogue06
June 14th 2010, 06:52 PM
Actually I am a God-fearer first, Mosschell Activist second, Tolkienite third, American fourth, hamburger casserole lover fifth, and Distressed Watcher hater sixth. I'm awesome like that.
Definitely a horney doofus. Too blend mossy and Michelle into one being (Mosschelle) is a bit creepy my friend and won't endear you to either.
Sparko
June 14th 2010, 07:06 PM
well our country claims to be aligning itself with God first so I guess I am in good company. National Motto: In God we Trust. I See it on every coin and bill, so I guess I am indeed "rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's" . Not to mention that congress has its own chaplain(s) and opens every session with a prayer.
TolkienFan
June 14th 2010, 07:15 PM
Actually I am a God-fearer first, Mosschell Activist second, Tolkienite third, American fourth, hamburger casserole lover fifth, and Distressed Watcher hater sixth. I'm awesome like that.

:stunned:

:flaming: :mob:

How dare you!
Manwë Súlimo
June 14th 2010, 07:39 PM
Certainly you can place Tolkien above God and the utter perfection of She who is Mosschelle.
rogue06
June 14th 2010, 07:55 PM
Certainly you can place Tolkien above God and the utter perfection of She who is Mosschelle.
Yup. Real creepy.
ApologiaPhoenix
June 14th 2010, 08:03 PM
Good to know this thread started moving in a proper direction.
Pilgrim
June 15th 2010, 08:10 PM
Let me ask you: Are you a Christian first, and an American second? Or an American first, and a Christian second?

I've asked this question many times, and if you're like most Christians, you'll say you're a Christian first.

I on the other hand have no allegiance to any religion, so I can be an American First!

Those who have an allegiance to some religion cannot be the same. They sometimes have trouble "rendering to Caesar". And when it comes down to a clash between their country and their religion, they will choose the latter.

Classic logical fallacy. You have made a statement of order, not quantity. Thanks for trying, please play again.
Cow Poke
June 15th 2010, 08:38 PM
Let me ask you: Are you a Christian first, and an American second? Or an American first, and a Christian second?

I've asked this question many times, and if you're like most Christians, you'll say you're a Christian first.

I on the other hand have no allegiance to any religion, so I can be an American First!

Those who have an allegiance to some religion cannot be the same. They sometimes have trouble "rendering to Caesar". And when it comes down to a clash between their country and their religion, they will choose the latter.

I like riding horses.
I like eating chocolate ice cream.

Am I a horseman first, and a chocolate connoisseur second?
Or am I a chocolate connoisseur first, and a horseman second?

(It just occurred to me that I've never eaten chocolate ice cream WHILE riding a horse! Wow.. what have I been missing!)
rogue06
June 15th 2010, 09:14 PM
I like riding horses.
I like eating chocolate ice cream.

Am I a horseman first, and a chocolate connoisseur second?
Or am I a chocolate connoisseur first, and a horseman second?

(It just occurred to me that I've never eaten chocolate ice cream WHILE riding a horse! Wow.. what have I been missing!)
Spilled ice cream :yes:
Cow Poke
June 15th 2010, 09:22 PM
Spilled ice cream :yes:

Well, yeah... there's that!

82033
InvisibleMan
June 17th 2010, 09:51 AM
This is a total waste of time.
Sparko
June 17th 2010, 09:52 AM
This is a total waste of time.

yes, you are.
InvisibleMan
June 17th 2010, 11:28 AM
Why am I not surprised that a self-described Christian conservative turns this around to personal abuse? Where is the love of which they boast? Obviously to be a Christian is to be a phony.
Alcoth
June 17th 2010, 11:31 AM
Obviously to be a Christian is to be a phony.

Bzzzt.
ApologiaPhoenix
June 17th 2010, 11:41 AM
Why am I not surprised that a self-described Christian conservative turns this around to personal abuse? Where is the love of which they boast? Obviously to be a Christian is to be a phony.

Oh let's see. Someone comes here and starts bragging that because they're not Christian, they can be more patriotic.

When they get called on it, what do we get?

whine whine whine

Are we adding a nursery section to TWeb sometime soon? Apparently, we need it.
Cow Poke
June 17th 2010, 11:43 AM
Are we adding a nursery section to TWeb sometime soon? Apparently, we need it.

Remember, that was my idea!!! :smile: So i get the credit banned for it!
rogue06
June 17th 2010, 02:42 PM
Remember, that was my idea!!! :smile: So i get the credit banned for it!
Get in line.
Manwë Súlimo
June 17th 2010, 02:45 PM
This is a total waste of time.

I'm glad you recognized that your own thread was pointless. Maybe there's hope for you yet :hehe:
rogue06
June 17th 2010, 02:55 PM
This is a total waste of time.
Perhaps you should try again and think through your statement first. Your OP makes as much sense as claiming that because you don't care for pizza yet like bacon that you like bacon more than anyone who also likes pizza ever could. :dizzy:
lilpixieofterror
June 17th 2010, 03:01 PM
Why am I not surprised that a self-described Christian conservative turns this around to personal abuse? Where is the love of which they boast? Obviously to be a Christian is to be a phony.

If you come in here and start fights with people, don't expect people not to react the way they do. What's the problem, were not expecting that kind of a reaction?
One Bad Pig
June 17th 2010, 05:32 PM
Do not feed the troll.
Pilgrim
June 17th 2010, 05:35 PM
Classic logical fallacy. You have made a statement of order, not quantity. Thanks for trying, please play again.

Just thought I'd repost this since the invisible man missed it.
ApologiaPhoenix
June 17th 2010, 05:37 PM
Just thought I'd repost this since the invisible man missed it.

Probably didn't Pilgrim. It's just that, well, you're a theist so you're an ignorant moron by definition.
Pilgrim
June 17th 2010, 05:38 PM
Oh, ok then. Thanks for explaining. It's all perfectly clear now. I think I'll just go over to the corner and drool for a while now.
rogue06
June 17th 2010, 05:39 PM
Probably didn't Pilgrim. It's just that, well, you're a theist so you're an ignorant moron by definition.
And apparently not very patriotic either. Sorry.
disciple100
June 17th 2010, 08:20 PM
God Bless America.

:teeth:

(And everyone, everything, everywhere for all time.)
Manwë Súlimo
June 17th 2010, 08:45 PM
God Bless America.

:teeth:

(And everyone, everything, everywhere for all time.)

Actually, if I'm being honest, a more proper phrase would be "God judge America". I don't see how God can bless a country that permits and sometimes encourages the slaughter of tens of thousands of children each year.
disciple100
June 17th 2010, 10:24 PM
Actually, if I'm being honest, a more proper phrase would be "God judge America". I don't see how God can bless a country that permits and sometimes encourages the slaughter of tens of thousands of children each year.

Very true. God is most gracious, merciful, and patient with a capital 'P'. We've probably been blessed way too much, actually.