The Michael Jackson saga...

[Jin-Roh]

msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.com/news/996672.asp?cp1=1#BODY)

SANTA BARBARA COUNTY District Attorney Tom Sneddon, a man portrayed in the press as Jackson’s longtime nemesis, said in a statement that he would not file formal charges against the moon-walking entertainer until after Thanksgiving.
Jackson — who was whisked from Las Vegas to California and back just long enough to surrender to police, hand in his passport and post $3 million bail — was due in court for an arraignment on Jan. 9.
The self-proclaimed “King of Pop” has not spoken publicly since some 60 police officers stormed his ranch on Tuesday looking for evidence to substantiate the allegations of an unidentified young boy. Jackson said in a statement the allegations were outrageous lies and predicted he would be exonerated.
“Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons,” Jackson said, according to a written statement released by his publicist. “The truth will win this marathon in court.”
Jackson, who was seen shaking hands with well-wishers as his car was driven slowly through the streets of Las Vegas on Thursday night, is believed holed up in a hotel and spa outside the resort city, where he was making a music video for his latest album.
A general manager at the hotel said he could not comment on the performer’s whereabouts.
Meanwhile high-profile Los Angeles attorney Gloria Allred said she would call on the Santa Barbara Department of Social Services to take away Jackson’s three young children in light of the allegations.
A spokesman for that agency declined to say if Jackson, who lives at his Neverland Valley Ranch in the hills above Santa Barbara, was being investigated.
Jackson’s arrest has riveted much of the nation and produced stunning pictures of one of the world’s best-known pop stars in handcuffs.

FALLING RECORD SALES
The mug shot taken of Jackson, posted on the sheriff’s Web site and widely circulated on the Internet, showed the 45-year-old singer in lipstick and eyeliner, his cheeks sunken, looking tense and haggard with long hair hanging over one eye.
Sneddon has said Jackson will be charged under a California law that defines molestation as “arousing, appealing to, or gratifying the lust, passions or sexual desires of” the offender or a child under age. The charge carries a penalty of three to eight years in prison.
It was the second time in 10 years that such allegations have been made against the performer, who rose to fame as the young lead singer of the Jackson 5 during the 1960s, and made one of the best-selling albums of all time, 1982’s “Thriller.”
In August 1993, police launched a criminal probe after a 13-year-old boy told his therapist Jackson sexually molested him for four months.
The incident sent Jackson to the television airwaves to proclaim his innocence. He described a police interrogation as ”the most humiliating ordeal of my life” after detectives strip searched him to look for identifying marks on his genitals.
In January 1994, Jackson settled a civil suit filed by the boy’s family, and Sneddon’s office said they would not file criminal charges because the boy refused to testify.
But Jackson’s image never fully recovered and in recent years his record sales have fallen far short of his “Thriller” heyday. He has also struggled with mounting legal and financial woes and controversy surrounding his personal life has begun to overshadow his fame as a singer.

[Jin-Roh]

:no:
History has proven that even famous people go to jail.
Michael Jackson should probably bunker himself with a really good retirement plan. Even if he doesn't go to jail, I don't think he's going to remain very popular after this.

[elysian]

I imagine he will have the money-clout-influence-high profile to "pull an OJ"- but his popularity has steadily been going south since about the mid 1980's I would assume. It's a shame because he does have a beautiful voice, and even more of a shame because his family, in their exploitation and greed, played a large part in making him what he has become. (This isn't to say that he could not have made a decision to seek help to overcome his background though!)

I guess it's proof that having money-success-fame,as well as seeking surgical intervention to attempt to look like Liz Taylor, etc. don't buy happiness. It also reminds me of what happened to Howard Hughes- he became so paranoid and so eccentric that he literally destroyed himself. Michael's life and story can be seen as another cautionary tale. :nsm:

[themuzicman]

His family made him white?!!??

[Rubia Warren]

I watched Jermaine Jackson in an interview the other night and he was basically calling for black americans to be outraged as well, because they were doing this out of racism against MJ and I thought... what the heck? They should be outraged that he, as a black man, turned himself into a WHITE LADY!!!!

[elysian]

I think he's trying to look like Liz Taylor. And I don't think his family actively said: "Michael we want you to look like Liz." I do think his family denied him his childhood and that he was abused. However we all have a choice as to what we do with our pasts: do we choose to do what we need to do to overcome our pasts and become healthy or do we simply allow ourselves to become more mired in garbage? His past does NOT exonerate him but it is laughable his family - who are partially to blame for the way he is- has the audacity to say anything.

[Undomiel]

Today @ 05:17 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312101#post312101)
elysian:

I imagine he will have the money-clout-influence-high profile to "pull an OJ"- but his popularity has steadily been going south since about the mid 1980's I would assume. It's a shame because he does have a beautiful voice, and even more of a shame because his family, in their exploitation and greed, played a large part in making him what he has become. (This isn't to say that he could not have made a decision to seek help to overcome his background though!)

I guess it's proof that having money-success-fame,as well as seeking surgical intervention to attempt to look like Liz Taylor, etc. don't buy happiness. It also reminds me of what happened to Howard Hughes- he became so paranoid and so eccentric that he literally destroyed himself. Michael's life and story can be seen as another cautionary tale. :nsm:

Yes, the caution is, don't ever become famous, because once you do, you are fodder for the press. While the rest of us enjoy the benefits of something approaching a fair trial, movie/musical stars are tried on the evening news with the reporters, journalists and vacillating and fickle public, as their judge and jury.

[elysian]

Today @ 04:05 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312316#post312316)
Undomiel:



Yes, the caution is, don't ever become famous, because once you do, you are fodder for the press. While the rest of us enjoy the benefits of something approaching a fair trial, movie stars are tried on the evening news with the reporters, journalists and vacillating and fickle public, as their judge and jury.

It is true that it is far more difficult to get a fair trial when you are in the public eye. It is nearly impossible if you are poor and cannot afford the best attorneys money can buy. It easier for those in the public eye to get good legal representation- yet how many innocent (yet poor) people are wrongly convicted and incarcerated because of inadequate counsel? How many times has society simply winked and nodded at criminal behavior of the rich and famous?

Neither scenario is fair or just.

[Undomiel]

Today @ 09:26 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312355#post312355)
elysian:



It is true that it is far more difficult to get a fair trial when you are in the public eye. It is nearly impossible if you are poor and cannot afford the best attorneys money can buy. It easier for those in the public eye to get good legal representation- yet how many innocent (yet poor) people are wrongly convicted and incarcerated because of inadequate counsel? How many times has society simply winked and nodded at criminal behavior of the rich and famous?

Neither scenario is fair or just.

I'll agree the impoverished have a hard time of it, of that there is no doubt. I think what bothers me about this scenario with Michael Jackson is, part of the reasoning being used for why most feel he should be investigated and incarcirated is nothing more than "He's weird." Since when has being eccentric equalled jail time? Ya know? I saw several people on the news state that his exceedingly odd behavior is one reason they'd like to see him dealt with, to find out if there's any truth to it. That to me is wrong. A person shouldn't be thought of as more guilty because they are unusual.

[Jin-Roh]

Well, I think the question is whether or not MJ's Behavior is actually harmful to himself or others.

[Undomiel]

Today @ 09:40 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312382#post312382)
Jin-Roh:

Well, I think the question is whether or not MJ's Behavior is actually harmful to himself or others.

Yes but that's not what they are talking about for the most part. Instead their bringing up stuff he's done in the past, like dangling a baby doll over a balcony railing. That didn't even look like a real baby. It even had a blanket over its head, probably to conceal the fact it wasn't a real baby. Even so, there's the issue of his skin disease, his plastic surgery, his home that some seem to think indicates he thinks he's Peter Pan. Oh, well isn't that just peachy. We are going to prosecute Peter Pan. Something is just not right about all this, and I'm not entirely convinced Michael Jackson is the problem.

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 03:33 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312366#post312366)
Undomiel:



I'll agree the impoverished have a hard time of it, of that there is no doubt. I think what bothers me about this scenario with Michael Jackson is, part of the reasoning being used for why most feel he should be investigated and incarcirated is nothing more than "He's weird." Since when has being eccentric equalled jail time? Ya know? I saw several people on the news state that his exceedingly odd behavior is one reason they'd like to see him dealt with, to find out if there's any truth to it. That to me is wrong. A person shouldn't be thought of as more guilty because they are unusual.
I would say he has proven himself guilty by admitting that his favorite thing to do is share his bed, tuck little children in, etc. etc. and then trying to convince the world that it is a normal thing.
Look, the guy is very weird, but THAT is just... well....... SICK.

[Undomiel]

Today @ 11:34 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312677#post312677)
r00bz:


I would say he has proven himself guilty by admitting that his favorite thing to do is share his bed, tuck little children in, etc. etc. and then trying to convince the world that it is a normal thing.
Look, the guy is very weird, but THAT is just... well....... SICK.

Err, where'd you read this? And were those his exact words? That he likes to share his bed with little kids?

[Rubia Warren]

And to show you what I mean, I am starting a thread to see if other men do the same.

[Undomiel]

See I'm currently under the assumption that what's really happening is the world has become an increasingly evil place, so much so, we are beginning to see phantoms under every rug and in every closet. This is exaggerated by the press, who will screw anybody for a juicy bit of poopoo against a celebrity. We all like a good colleseum event. Thusly why I'm leary of saying the guy is guilty before he's even been proven to be so.

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 05:35 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312684#post312684)
Undomiel:



Err, where'd you read this? And were those his exact words? That he likes to share his bed with little kids?

I watched his special on tv, and yeah, almost his exact words. Have you not seen it? And if you have, did not what he said about it disturb you?!

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 05:38 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312712#post312712)
Undomiel:

See I'm currently under the assumption that what's really happening is the world has become an increasingly evil place, so much so, we are beginning to see phantoms under every rug and in every closet. This is exaggerated by the press, who will screw anybody for a juicy bit of poopoo against a celebrity. We all like a good colleseum event. Thusly why I'm leary of saying the guy is guilty before he's even been proven to be so.

I have no problem saying the guy is guilty.... in fact, I will say it again:
HE'S GUILTY!

[Undomiel]

Today @ 11:44 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312746#post312746)
r00bz:



I watched his special on tv, and yeah, almost his exact words. Have you not seen it? And if you have, did not what he said about it disturb you?!

No I haven't seen it. Did he say he liked sleeping with kids or did he say he enjoyed it when kids visited him, and he liked tucking them into bed? He's always made it a point from what I've heard, to make his home kid-friendly. Kids are nicer than adults. They don't bring all that adult baggage with them of the harshness of reality. Thusly why Jesus said Suffer not the children to come onto me. And thus is the Kingdom of Heaven. Unless you be like a child. Kids don't think like we do. They are still enamored with life and all its surprises. Sometimes we adults read between the lines and project our own bitterness about the world onto other people. Now I'm not saying he's not guilty or guilty. I'm simply saying that it may very well be a case of our decadent society and not Michael Jackson at all.

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 03:45 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312392#post312392)
Undomiel:



Yes but that's not what they are talking about for the most part. Instead their bringing up stuff he's done in the past, like dangling a baby doll over a balcony railing. That didn't even look like a real baby. It even had a blanket over its head, probably to conceal the fact it wasn't a real baby. Even so, there's the issue of his skin disease, his plastic surgery, his home that some seem to think indicates he thinks he's Peter Pan. Oh, well isn't that just peachy. We are going to prosecute Peter Pan. Something is just not right about all this, and I'm not entirely convinced Michael Jackson is the problem.

It was too a real baby.... did you not see it kick it's legs in the clips? It was real. As far as I know, he covers his kids' heads with stuff because of concerns of kidnapping.... for their identities' sakes.
I find it very disturbing that he would outright LIE to the public and say that he has only had 2 plastic surgeries in his whole life, when it is OBVIOUS that he has had more.... and it is weird the look on his face as he said it.... like he actually might have been believing that in his own mind. He is an all-around sick individual..... not a little eccentric. SICK and disturbed.
I am thankful that FINALLY.... this "peter pan" will be prosecuted.... and the only thing "just not right about all this" is that he remained above the law for so long. If that had been you or me, we'd have been locked away in the BASEMENT of the jail eons ago AND had our own children taken away. There is a difference between being weird and being a sick perverted criminal.

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 05:49 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312768#post312768)
Undomiel:



No I haven't seen it. Did he say he liked sleeping with kids or did he say he enjoyed it when kids visited him, and he liked tucking them into bed? He's always made it a point from what I've heard, to make his home kid-friendly. Kids are nicer than adults. They don't bring all that adult baggage with them of the harshness of reality. Thusly why Jesus said Suffer not the children to come onto me. And thus is the Kingdom of Heaven. Unless you be like a child. Kids don't think like we do. They are still enamored with life and all its surprises. Sometimes we adults read between the lines and project our own bitterness about the world onto other people. Now I'm not saying he's not guilty or guilty. I'm simply saying that it may very well be a case of our decadent society and not Michael Jackson at all.

Oh give me a break! Don't bring Jesus into this and compare that passage with the lifestyle that Michael Jackson leads. There is nothing wrong with liking children at all and being kind to them... but he has for YEARS had tons of kids over at his house and had them sleeping there in his own bed and I am sorry that is not normal and it is sick, and I am sorry, Jesus was NOT talking about that we should have sleepovers with other people's children alone!!! What the heck, man?!
This is not projecting bitterness, it is calling a spade a spade. And in MJ's own mind, he is doing nothing wrong...... just like most other pedophiles who justify what they do, and they are sick individuals.
I cannot even believe that you would even try to say that Jesus said we are to be like children....... as if MJ is the one who is really living that scripture, right? Jesus never meant that we should have a peter pan syndrome..... he meant that we should have a child-like FAITH...... IN GOD!

[Undomiel]

Yesterday @ 11:57 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312792#post312792)
r00bz:



It was too a real baby.... did you not see it kick it's legs in the clips? It was real. As far as I know, he covers his kids' heads with stuff because of concerns of kidnapping.... for their identities' sakes.
I find it very disturbing that he would outright LIE to the public and say that he has only had 2 plastic surgeries in his whole life, when it is OBVIOUS that he has had more.... and it is weird the look on his face as he said it.... like he actually might have been believing that in his own mind. He is an all-around sick individual..... not a little eccentric. SICK and disturbed.
I am thankful that FINALLY.... this "peter pan" will be prosecuted.... and the only thing "just not right about all this" is that he remained above the law for so long. If that had been you or me, we'd have been locked away in the BASEMENT of the jail eons ago AND had our own children taken away. There is a difference between being weird and being a sick perverted criminal.

Okay,let's take this one thought at a time:

You are basing your hostility towards him on the following issues:

1. He lied about having more than one plastic surgery.
2. Even though he's accused of endangering his child's life by dangling him for a few seconds over a balcony railing, he covered his head to protect his identity. So he was both endangering and protecting him.
3. You feel he is mentally ill and therefore should be in prison.
4. You don't like emotionally immature people, who have just never grown out of their Peter Pan days.
5. You are angered that his money has kept him out of jail because we would not receive the same consideration. (which is essentially true on its face, and yet I can't help but think his money, eccentricity and notoreity is also contributing to the negative light he's been cast in and the public lynching he's been experiencing).
6. You feel he should've avoided having kids at his house because he's a full grown man. Now I must admit there is something very suspicious about this, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were innocent because he's a kid at heart himself and a big part of his fan base has been kids of all ages. He loves all his animals, giraffes, elephants, etc. I don't see anything wrong with the premise of his Neverland, just the fact he didn't take the socio-political effects of his behavior into consideration, probably because he does have so much money.

What I'm essentially saying is this - The jury should still be out on this until the case has been heard and tried. If he's guilty, then he's guilty. But if not, I expect as christians we will find some way to forgive the man for his oddness, his plastic surgery and pray that he gets smart enough to realize that his age is a barrier to his interaction with kids.

I play video games online. MMORPGs, massively multiplayer online roleplaying games, like Star Wars Galaxies and EverQuest. There are more adults playing those games than kids. lol Perhaps it's our society?

[Undomiel]

Today @ 12:08 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312871#post312871)
r00bz:



Oh give me a break! Don't bring Jesus into this and compare that passage with the lifestyle that Michael Jackson leads. There is nothing wrong with liking children at all and being kind to them... but he has for YEARS had tons of kids over at his house and had them sleeping there in his own bed and I am sorry that is not normal and it is sick, and I am sorry, Jesus was NOT talking about that we should have sleepovers with other people's children alone!!! What the heck, man?!
This is not projecting bitterness, it is calling a spade a spade. And in MJ's own mind, he is doing nothing wrong...... just like most other pedophiles who justify what they do, and they are sick individuals.
I cannot even believe that you would even try to say that Jesus said we are to be like children....... as if MJ is the one who is really living that scripture, right? Jesus never meant that we should have a peter pan syndrome..... he meant that we should have a child-like FAITH...... IN GOD!


You misunderstood the reason for my quotes. I was just pointing out why someone like Michael Jackson might prefer hanging out with kids. Kids are, for the most part, innocent, nicer, more positive and upbeat, more willing to accept others, more enthusiastic about life, they complain less, etc. That, I'm assuming, is why the bible says kids are so great. I'm not using it to justify any alleged illegal behavior on Michael Jackson's part. Understand?

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 06:16 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312913#post312913)
Undomiel:



Okay,let's take this one thought at a time:

You are basing your hostility towards him on the following issues:

1. He lied about having more than one plastic surgery.
No.... I gave the instance where he came forward and lied about his surgeries as an example of how he can tell a ridiculous lie and no one believes it but him. That should give you an idea of how far he lives in a fantasyland.

2. Even though he's accused of endangering his child's life by dangling him for a few seconds over a balcony railing, he covered his head to protect his identity. So he was both endangering and protecting him.
I don't know where you get that I am hostile towards him for dangling the baby. Oddly, I was not shocked and outraged as others were when it happened. I only reponded to that because you said it prolly was not a real baby, and I pointed out that it's legs kicked in the tape, and that it was real. I also told you about the towel to let you know the reason that he usually covers his kids' heads in public, as do many other celebrities. He didn't do it because the baby was a doll, he did it to conceal his/her identity.

3. You feel he is mentally ill and therefore should be in prison.
No, I think he is wicked and should be executed upon conviction.... but I will settle for prison time if that is all he will get.

4. You don't like emotionally immature people, who have just never grown out of their Peter Pan days.
I have nothing against the emotionally immature, many are good people. I have a big problem with a man who is obsessed with children and lives in a fantasy world which he creates for his own selfish pleasure.

5. You are angered that his money has kept him out of jail because we would not receive the same consideration. (which is essentially true on its face, and yet I can't help but think his money, eccentricity and notoreity is also contributing to the negative light he's been cast in and the public lynching he's been experiencing).
Yes, but what I am more angry about is that heftier punishments are not given to child molesters and they are barely slapped on the wrist and let go so that they can turn around and perpetuate their sickness with even more children, keeping a vicious cycle going in society and ruining young people's lives.

6. You feel he should've avoided having kids at his house because he's a full grown man.
There is nothing wrong with being a grown man and having children over to your house, but there is a thing called liking kids... and another called "LIKING" kids.
You know, if you look at pedophiles, are they the people who are mean to children and do not like children? Sometimes, but usually, they are people who are veeery nice to kids..... they love kids.....and usually they either make it a point to work around them, or surround themselves with them. They are ADDICTED to children. It is one thing for a grown up to love children, and there are many men who do like kids a lot. An there are grown men (and women too) who LOVE children and are predators.

Now I must admit there is something very suspicious about this, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were innocent because he's a kid at heart himself and a big part of his fan base has been kids of all ages.

I wouldn't say that he is kid at heart.... he is a very disturbed individual who has an obsession with children. Do you not find it strange that almost all of these kids are young BOYS- not girls, about the age of 12-14? Do you not see a pattern? What about that they usually are either sick children, or come from modest income homes? How do you feel about him having an alarm on his bedroom to let him know if someone is coming down the hall? Hmm?

He loves all his animals, giraffes, elephants, etc. I don't see anything wrong with the premise of his Neverland, just the fact he didn't take the socio-political effects of his behavior into consideration, probably because he does have so much money.
I don't see anything wrong with the concept of creating a place like an amusement park where children can go and have fun, nor do I think it is evil to visit sick children in a hospital, or dedicate yourself to children's causes.
I don't even think it is his money that makes him think that he can get away with certain behaviors.... I think that MJ perpetually lives in a fantasy world where he is the king and it is all for him. I believe that when he has been kind to children it has been for self-fulfilling reasons- not love. I don't think he takes the socio-political effects of his behavior into consideration because he is the king of his world that he has made and it is for everybody else to understand and conform to his ways.


What I'm essentially saying is this - The jury should still be out on this until the case has been heard and tried. If he's guilty, then he's guilty.
But if not, I expect as christians we will find some way to forgive the man for his oddness, his plastic surgery and pray that he gets smart enough to realize that his age is a barrier to his interaction with kids.
As a christian, I do not need to forgive him for his plastic surgeries and oddness- he has done nothing to me in that respect for me to be able to forgive him. I can only forgive someone for wrongdoings that they have done against me. But these 2 things he has done against himself, because spiritually he is screwed up. If any prayers get said, they should be that he come to know Jesus Christ, not that he would be more careful to have better boundaries.


I play video games online. MMORPGs, massively multiplayer online roleplaying games, like Star Wars Galaxies and EverQuest. There are more adults playing those games than kids. lol Perhaps it's our society?
Nothing wrong with playing video games as an adult. Now you are suggesting that most of the adults in our society are kinda on the same wavelength as Jackson? Funny, I thought from what you said about society in your last post, and that maybe MJ was the right one- wait, now you have confused me.

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 06:21 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312936#post312936)
Undomiel:




You misunderstood the reason for my quotes. I was just pointing out why someone like Michael Jackson might prefer hanging out with kids. Kids are, for the most part, innocent, nicer, more positive and upbeat, more willing to accept others, more enthusiastic about life, they complain less, etc. That, I'm assuming, is why the bible says kids are so great. I'm not using it to justify any alleged illegal behavior on Michael Jackson's part. Understand?
And I am pointing out that there are a lot of people out there, like Jackson, who prefer hanging out with children for these reasons, and ALSO because they are predators who are addicted to children and believe that people are mean to them and don't understand them for their desires.

[Undomiel]

Well, I am not sure what I think about this scenario with MJ yet, so it's no surprise I have confused you. I'm just offering suggestions, reasons, possibilities for why he is in his situation. Heck if know what's going on with him. I'm basing it only on what I know about him, which isn't much compared to your knowledge of him. Just remember some of what you heard may be slanted to make him sound as bad as possible. That's not to say he didn't do the things he's accused of, but that the press is notoriously good at making people look bad when they want to.

Personally, I'm waiting to see what happens in his trial. Didn't his sister Latoya say that he was a pedophile? Do you believe her? And if so, is that where you got the info on him or ?

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 07:14 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=313215#post313215)
Undomiel:

Well, I am not sure what I think about this scenario with MJ yet, so it's no surprise I have confused you. I'm just offering suggestions, reasons, possibilities for why he is in his situation. Heck if know what's going on with him. I'm basing it only on what I know about him, which isn't much compared to your knowledge of him. Just remember some of what you heard may be slanted to make him sound as bad as possible. That's not to say he didn't do the things he's accused of, but that the press is notoriously good at making people look bad when they want to.

Personally, I'm waiting to see what happens in his trial. Didn't his sister Latoya say that he was a pedophile? Do you believe her? And if so, is that where you got the info on him or ?
I dunno if Latoya said he was a perv or not. I think all she ever said (that I can recall) is that he was abused as a child- then again, I don't pay much attention to her. I do realize that there is a slant to the news.... but I have noticed this pattern over the last 10 or 15 years- not just reading about it in media hype..... but watching his behavior.
I watched a news special the other night in which a detective from the case 10 years ago who deals with these kinds of cases was interviewed..... and he is the one who told of the alarm on his bedroom- this guy found it in Jackson's house. He also told some alarming testimonies he had gotten from the servents working in Jackson's house, about how Jackson always has BOYS over... around the age of 12..... and that they have seen him share the same bed and/or sleeping bag with him. It is all very disturbing, and too much to pass off as a misunderstanding.
I have in the past been a huge fan of his.... man, when I was a kid, he was my everything. But when I got older, I saw that his behaviors wre not odd anymore..... they are SERIAL, and much more crazy detalis are going to come out... you watch and see.

[Undomiel]

well for sure they would've slammed dunked him if he had 12 year old girls sleeping over. heh heh heh. then there would've been an even bigger public outcry. whatever the case may be, i want to see the best for everyone involved. God knows what that is and we should pray earnestly that it be done. If it's true, then the children he's effected negatively will need healing, the people of the US will need healing, his fans will need healing, the church he belongs to will need healing and last but not least, he will need healing. If it's not true, then only he will need healing.

[Rubia Warren]

Shoot, if he'd had 12 year old girls sleeping over, you'd have heard enormous gasps from all the people in the 80's who always said he was gay! :lol:

[Undomiel]

Today @ 01:38 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=313360#post313360)
r00bz:

Shoot, if he'd had 12 year old girls sleeping over, you'd have heard enormous gasps from all the people in the 80's who always said he was gay! :lol:

Really? I always thought he was perhaps bisexual, well not always. There was a time when his sexuality never really was an issue for me. But his videos tended to make me believe he was a ladies man. I dunno. Gads the mixed messages are rampant.

[Harlequin Solit]

r00bs obviously knows nothing of perversion.

If he's a peadophile, then I pity him and his victims. Sure, send him to prison, but help him.

And the whole face thing? Oh, no, he's being non-conformist! He must be guilty if he looks different!

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 07:12 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=315027#post315027)
Harlequin Solit:

r00bs obviously knows nothing of perversion.
Thank you for confirming that I am not a pervert.


If he's a peadophile, then I pity him and his victims.
I have no pity for a pedophile.

Sure, send him to prison, but help him.
Help him do what?


And the whole face thing? Oh, no, he's being non-conformist! He must be guilty if he looks different!

You have just proven right there that you have either read none of my posts, or you are being dishonest if you are trying to say that I said something like that.
My point was, that if the guy had said on the tape, "Yep, I didn't like how I looked ,and I have had tons of plastic surgery- and I might go back and get more, I just LOVE it!" it would have shocked no one...... many celebrities are open about the fact they have had cosmetic surgery. But it seems to me that you are defending a man who refuses to be honest about even the most obvious things. It has nothing to do with non-conformity. It has something to do with blatantly LYING.

[elysian]

All I can say is if my kid said "so and so touched me inappropriately" then he wouldn't be going to visit any more. I've never been a Michael Jackson fan (my tastes are more like Led Zeppelin, or Rush or Journey) but even if I were if he were molesting my kid you bet I'd say something AND keep my kid away from him.

One thing that intrigues me about all this: how many parents despite being poor, would prostitute their own child to get a house, car, money, etc? I might like a new Lexus but I'm not going to let a 45 year old man take advantage of my kid to get it! I'm not necessarily saying that MJ said "Ok, I get your son for the week and I'll buy you a car," but if this were the case I would be wondering more about the parents than anyone else in this picture.

[Rubia Warren]

A lot of parents are too selfish to think that maybe they could be putting their kids in danger so maybe it's not a good idea to send my child to a freaky guy's house who has been accused in the past of child molestation.

[Harlequin Solit]

Yesterday @ 04:04 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=315213#post315213)
r00bz:

You have just proven right there that you have either read none of my posts, or you are being dishonest if you are trying to say that I said something like that.
My point was, that if the guy had said on the tape, "Yep, I didn't like how I looked ,and I have had tons of plastic surgery- and I might go back and get more, I just LOVE it!" it would have shocked no one...... many celebrities are open about the fact they have had cosmetic surgery. But it seems to me that you are defending a man who refuses to be honest about even the most obvious things. It has nothing to do with non-conformity. It has something to do with blatantly LYING.

Not all of my points were directed at you, r00bz.

And yes, I agree with your previous point, they would have to be pretty dubious parents.

[Rubia Warren]

Okay. :tongue: