ALL MEN please vote in this poll!!!

[Rubia Warren]

This is for men.
I want to know how many of you think that it is okay or even ENJOY having other people's children spend the night and share your bed.... I am not talking in a sexual way. And I am also not talking about your own children. I am talking about other people's children you are not related to.

[Rubia Warren]

I mean it, you better vote in my poll right now. :rant:

[$cirisme]

I really like kids... but the little booger making machines better have their own bed/couch to sleep on :hrm:

[Durthorin]

When I was a kid we had a guy in the neighborhood. An older man who used to be everyone's "Uncle" he always had gum in his pocket, always had the best treats on Halloween, always bought band candy even when it was the really yecky kind. He loved kids and he had camp outs at his place for allt he neighborhood kids.. I remember my mother saying that he had no family of his own so he adopted all of us. I lost touch with him for over 20 years then heard he had died and went back to his funeral.. all the kids came back.

Did he sleep with us? No, but he stayed up late telling ghost stories until no doubt he was the last one asleep.. or walked around and tucked us in.

In the end, its a call you make based on the man..

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 05:50 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312771#post312771)
cirisme:

I really like kids... but the little booger making machines better have their own bed/couch to sleep on :hrm:

Since you really like kids, is your favorite thing in the whole world to tuck them in at night? OTHER people's children. And fix them warm milk and let them sleep in your bed? Is that the first thing that crosses your mind when a little kid comes over to your house? Would you say that that would be the best way to express your love for that child?

[$cirisme]

r00bz:

Since you really like kids, is your favorite thing in the whole world to tuck them in at night? OTHER people's children. And fix them warm milk and let them sleep in your bed? Is that the first thing that crosses your mind when a little kid comes over to your house? Would you say that that would be the best way to express your love for that child?

No... are you some kind of nut? :uneasy:

[Socrates]

Today @ 09:39 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312718#post312718)
r00bz:

This is for men.
I want to know how many of you think that it is okay or even ENJOY having other people's children spend the night and share your bed.... I am not talking in a sexual way. And I am also not talking about your own children. I am talking about other people's children you are not related to.

It may well be perfectly innocent, but in these days, it would be most unwise, because everything must be SEEN to be innocent as well.

[Xavier]

Socrates:

It may well be perfectly innocent...

When? :huh:

[Trout]

The wife and I never even let our own kids sleep in our bed with us.

[Patroclus]

I agree with Socrates - pearls!

[yxboom]

Michael Jackson told me it is the most loving thing to do to share your bed with a young child preferrably male and under the age of 14.

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 06:27 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312964#post312964)
Socrates:



It may well be perfectly innocent, but in these days, it would be most unwise, because everything must be SEEN to be innocent as well.

I agree with you...... but I wanna know about YOU. As a guy. An average man. Do average men find it their favorite thing in the world to have other people's children sleep over and sleep in their bed? Does the average guy, when asked what his best expression of love would be, automatically think of tucking strange children into his bed and giving them warm milk? That is what I am asking.
I know that lots of people like kids a lot, but are these types of things that I just mentioned on the mind of the average man?

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 06:54 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=313124#post313124)
Patroclus:

I agree with Socrates - pearls!
See post #12... it is for you too.

[Ben Franklin]

Today @ 12:27 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=312964#post312964)
Socrates:

It may well be perfectly innocent, but in these days, it would be most unwise, because everything must be SEEN to be innocent as well.


Ancient Chinese Proverb:

"Don't straighten your hat while standing under your neighbor's apple tree."

Moral: Avoid any actions that might look improper.

[geebob]

only out of necessity. I've shared a hotel room with a couple of boys and one brother was a bed wetter. So in a two bed hotel room, he got his bed all to hisself.

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 07:22 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=313252#post313252)
Ben Franklin:




Ancient Chinese Proverb:

"Don't straighten your hat while standing under your neighbor's apple tree."

Moral: Avoid any actions that might look improper.
So, would it be improper to enjoy these things with strange children? Do you, as an average man, enjoy sleeping with other people's kids?

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 07:31 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=313299#post313299)
geebob:

only out of necessity. I've shared a hotel room with a couple of boys and one brother was a bed wetter. So in a two bed hotel room, he got his bed all to hisself.

:lol:

[Ben Franklin]

Today @ 01:33 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=313318#post313318)
r00bz:

So, would it be improper to enjoy these things with strange children? Do you, as an average man, enjoy sleeping with other people's kids?

I don't like sharing my bed with anyone, so it's a moot question: I like sleeping alone ! It's more comfortable for me... The bed is mine ! Mine ! All MINE ! Ahhh-ha-ha-ha-ha....!

[Xavier]

Ben -- :lol:

[Rubia Warren]

:lol:

[Socrates]

Today @ 10:33 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=313007#post313007)
Xavier:

Socrates:

It may well be perfectly innocent...

When? :huh:

I thought it was clear, and Pat understood me. I meant, even though there may be no sexual intentions, we must avoid even the appearance of evil.

[Xavier]

Socrates:

Xavier
When? :huh:

I thought it was clear, and Pat understood me. I meant, even though there may be no sexual intentions, we must avoid even the appearance of evil.

I understand what you are saying and agree with you, but outside of the extremely slim situtation GeeBob stated. I don't see how sleeping with someone else's children could be innocent.

[Ben Franklin]

Today @ 03:37 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=313722#post313722)
Xavier:

I thought it was clear, and Pat understood me. I meant, even though there may be no sexual intentions, we must avoid even the appearance of evil.

I understand what you are saying and agree with you, but outside of the extremely slim situtation GeeBob stated. I don't see how sleeping with someone else's children could be innocent. [/QUOTE]

Yeah, but like I wrote earlier, it's better to avoid something that could be misconstrued. You know, like coming out of a love hotel with someone's wife ! Doesn't look too good, you know ?

[geochron]

Why just men? Statisitically, most child abuse is done by women iirc.

[DivineOb]

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

Really roobz, if you wanted a bunch of people to agree with you why didn't you just say so?

[Solly]

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's "sick and wierd" that is rather loaded language if you are only dealing with the average man. However, I would not do it, and would not want anyone doing it with my children.

[Jedidiah]

Innocent or not I would certainly not be willing or comforable with such a thing.

Both of my kids (I wondered if I would ever break my daughter of the habit) would come in during the night and crawl in with my wife and I. Eventually I would wake up enough to send them back to their own beds (naturally it was always on my side of the bed). That was okay, but strangers kids? Can't easily imagine such a thing.

beeman

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 03:19 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=314624#post314624)
Solly:

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's "sick and wierd" that is rather loaded language if you are only dealing with the average man. However, I would not do it, and would not want anyone doing it with my children.
I just wanted to see if regular guys THINK of it as sick and weird.

[Solly]

Is there an issue here? I detect a certain amount of tension in your tone r00bz.

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 03:12 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=314602#post314602)
DivineOb:

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

Really roobz, if you wanted a bunch of people to agree with you why didn't you just say so?

Agree with me HOW, exactly? How did I load my question when I left a space for "other"? I genuinely want to know if this is something that regular guys think about when they think about kids.
And no, I haven't stopped beating my wife.

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 06:59 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=315013#post315013)
Solly:

Is there an issue here? I detect a certain amount of tension in your tone r00bz.

No way, there's no issue. I am sorry if I am coming across that way.

[Solly]

OK, r00bz, I would say it's strange, unusual. If my boy had gone to visit a friend to stay overnight, and I found he was sleeping in the same bed as the man of the house, then I would want to know why.

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 03:00 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=314572#post314572)
geochron:

Why just men? Statisitically, most child abuse is done by women iirc.
Because I am a woman, and I want to know what guys think about.
I don't dispute your statistic, it's prolly true.

[yxboom]

Michael Jackson said it is a good thing, who are you to disagree :hrm:

[Solly]

Is that it? Gosh, not have TV or a newspaper really keeps me out of things. he was arrested right??

[themuzicman]

Isn't it just an "alternative lifestyle" that we should endeavor to understand and accept as normal? Maybe they could enter into a civil union before they sleep together? :ahem:

Michael

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 07:42 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=315046#post315046)
Solly:

Is that it? Gosh, not have TV or a newspaper really keeps me out of things. he was arrested right??

Yes. he got arrested. What made me ask you all these questions is that there are a number of people/fans who are saying that he is prolly getting an bad rap for this, but I think differently and I think his behavior and behaviors of this kind are not normal for grown men.... then again, I am not a man, so I dunno.
I know as a woman, with my OWN kids, I occasionally like to sleep with them.... but not a lot. I think that is a normal thing to enjoy having them fall asleep with you in your bed and things like that, you get all snuggly with them and everything..... but with strange kids who are not my own, I have not had a desire to share my bed with them... it's just seems strange.... they aren't my own. Not because a society or a culture told me that...... but well, I kinda like my kids better than other people's. Because of that bond that I feel, I don't have any problem sleeping with them (until they fall asleep and I gotta carry them to bed because one is laying across my head and the other has his toe in my nostril).
I guess in the case that geebob brought up, it would be different- we would be sleeping together out of necessity, not because I LOVED to do that, so I could sleep with a strange kid in that instance.

[Solly]

Yes, I understand the bonding side of things, particularly for women; we discourage ours from sharing the bed pretty early on, but now and then you have to with the younger ones. I prefer the "I'm-dozing-on-the-sofa-with-the-little-one-on-my-chest" position myself. Prhaps that's a man thing. But as for MJ, I think anyone who willingly does that to his face, along with his wonderland persona, is definitely two sandwiches short of a picnic.

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 09:13 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=315141#post315141)
Solly:

Yes, I understand the bonding side of things, particularly for women; we discourage ours from sharing the bed pretty early on, but now and then you have to with the younger ones. I prefer the "I'm-dozing-on-the-sofa-with-the-little-one-on-my-chest" position myself. Prhaps that's a man thing. But as for MJ, I think anyone who willingly does that to his face, along with his wonderland persona, is definitely two sandwiches short of a picnic.

:lol:
I agree... I just didn't want to mention Jackson in the beginning of this thread because I wanted to see if regular guys love to do that too. I have heard an alrming number of people defend his actions and I wanted to see for myself if it is something that normal guys like to do.

[mossrose]

I sleep with someone else's kid every night. Have for the past almost 31 years. It only seems weird when he is snoring a lot.

[geebob]

Michael Jackson said it is a good thing, who are you to disagree

I'd have to agree with this thinking for two reasons. 1) Michael Jackson has made some neato videos. 2) He's got a lot of money, which in my mind says he's more likely to be right. It's just like Jack Handy says. "I'd rather be rich than stupid." Furthermore, just look at Bill Gates. He's the handsomest man in the world, but no one ever realizes the correlation there with all his money.

[Xavier]

mossrose:

I sleep with someone else's kid every night. Have for the past almost 31 years. It only seems weird when he is snoring a lot.

:shifty:

[Pilgrim]

While I love the innocense of a sleeping child, and one of my abslute favorite things in the world is when I hold a child in my arms for baptism, it is beyond wierd to want to sleep with children other than your own in your bed. It is most definately not a normal thing.

[C. D. Ward]

I had to go with "sick and weird" because of the inclusion of the word "enjoy" in the poll question.

I can certainly see many situations in which it might become necessary, or where it might occur in a completely innocent fashion, but to enjoy the situation seems to imply that one would want to repeat it for some type of pleasure.

That in itself seems rather bizarre and....well, it just makes me squirm...

[mossrose]

What X! It's true! :smile:

[Xmansmommy]

mossrose:

I sleep with someone else's kid every night. Have for the past almost 31 years. It only seems weird when he is snoring a lot.

:rofl: :nc:

[Xavier]

mossrose:

What X! It's true! :smile:

:shifty:

[Xmansmommy]

X, shhhhh! Her husband! :teeth:

[Xavier]

Xmansmommy:

X, shhhhh! Her husband! :teeth:

I know that... :shifty:

[Xmansmommy]

:lmbo: :teeth:

[Xavier]

Xmansmommy:

:lmbo: :teeth:

:shifty:

[Ben Franklin]

Today @ 01:03 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=315017#post315017)
r00bz:

No way, there's no issue. I am sorry if I am coming across that way.

Maybe you're working undercover for Michael Jackson's defense team ? Ha-ha-ha...!

:lol:

[mossrose]

*OT

:shifty: I see. X's new favourite smiley. All purpose.

[Xavier]

mossrose:

*OT

:shifty: I see. X's new favourite smiley.

:shifty:














:teeth: - Just another pathetic excuse to use :shifty: and get :spam: points...

[Xmansmommy]

:shifty: is the most awesomest TW smiley!

[mossrose]

THIS is the most awsomest Tweb custom smiley!

:xav:

[Xmansmommy]

:thumb: :thumb:

Although I'm partial to :funky:! :lol:

[Xavier]

Awwww.... Thanks Rose.... :teeth:

I like your's, too XMM... :teeth:

[Xavier]

:hijacked:

Sorry r00bz... :doh:

[mossrose]

I like yours too Mommy.

Ahem. As Moderator, I must insist we get this thread back on topic..... :noid:

[Sher]

What's with these heavy handed moderators? :shifty:



















(j/k :lol:)

[Queen]

:lol: Sher!!!

Are the women taking over this thread?

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/animal/1115.gif

LOLAS,
Queen

[Rubia Warren]

:lol:

[Rubia Warren]

Yesterday @ 03:15 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=315975#post315975)
Ben Franklin:



Maybe you're working undercover for Michael Jackson's defense team ? Ha-ha-ha...!

:lol:

Shh..... don't tell anyone. I am their secret weapon.

[mossrose]

What's with these heavy handed moderators?

Ahem. :nsm:

:nanner:

[Sher]

Yesterday @ 11:30 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=317804#post317804)
mossrose:

Ahem. :nsm:

:nanner:

:grin: :wink:


(I was kidding, mossrose ... that is a running joke around here if you haven't heard it before ... you are doing a fine job)

[mossrose]

Aw, Sher. I knew you were kidding with me. It takes more than that to upset me. Please notice my pet! :rofl:

(And that's why I was making faces at you with my :nanner:)

[James]

I agree with Socrates' first post, that it depends on the culture and context. For instance, it would be no problem for children in a communal society to sleep in the same room as adult members of the society, but it would probably be frowned upon in the culture of most American homes.

[Rahab]

11-26-2003 @ 08:15 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=317434#post317434)
Queen:

:lol: Sher!!!

Are the women taking over this thread?

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/animal/1115.gif

LOLAS,
Queen

I think some of us women are boiling to make a few comments because we also can see a similar problem with women inviting young children who are not theirs into their beds. After all, molestation is also commited by females.
ROObz..... is it OK to also explore in this thread that aspect of potential sexual abuse of children by both genders or do you prefer to keep it as a male mind probing issue?

[Rubia Warren]

Today @ 08:44 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=320157#post320157)
Rahab:



I think some of us women are boiling to make a few comments because we also can see a similar problem with women inviting young children who are not theirs into their beds. After all, molestation is also commited by females.
ROObz..... is it OK to also explore in this thread that aspect of potential sexual abuse of children by both genders or do you prefer to keep it as a male mind probing issue?
That's fine with me, rahab. I never meant for women to not be able to post on the thread, I just wanted to make sure I got a lot of the men to respond.

[Rahab]

Today @ 03:14 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=320166#post320166)
r00bz:


That's fine with me, rahab. I never meant for women to not be able to post on the thread, I just wanted to make sure I got a lot of the men to respond.
oh good! As a general rule, I do not believe that any man or woman needs to have someone else's child share their bed as part of a sleepover. I would think that if under the label of "sleepover", you have invited a whole bunch of kids coming with their sleeping bags and pillows and it centers around an adult supervising those kids, fixing them snacks, organizing activities. That is what a sleepover means to me. So anything outside that definition would be suspicious to me as a parent.

From the number of sleepovers I had in my home with my kids and their friends, frankly it never crossed my mind to have any of them share my bed! I was soooo glad and relieved to be able to retreat in my own bed and recover from all those noisy hype kids when it was time to sleep!

Of course one can think of a situation where a child is left overnight under the supervision of a baby sitter. Little kiddy wakes up with a nightmare or dwells on "monsters in the closet". Baby sitter then ought to drag her mattress or sleeping bag in kiddy's bedroom, read him or her a soothing book, sing a few lullabies, offer warm milk and a few cookies but certainly not jump in bed with kiddy.
I mean there is absolutly no reason for anyone to share his or her bed with someone else's child.

It is also prudent to always consider any implications in leaving alone with an adult any child in any particular circumstance. Child molesters will respond to their sexual urge in any environment. Not to bring up the tragic revelations of now adults who were molested by some catholic priests, but it may have occured in an office, a confession time, counseling..... anything.
Recently in Tampa Bay, a church volunteer youth group molested a teen girl in his van on the way to a group activity.
There is probably a great deal of responsibility from the parents as we all need to teach our children what unproper touching is about. So that they can remove themselves from a potential abuser if we are not around to protect them.

[Sher]

Okay, this is my take. I've watched my closest friends' kids. And I think circumstances are everything in this case. It seems to me that this could be carried too far the other way too.

For example, I am "auntie" to my best girl friends' kids ... until they get too old and just call me by my given name. But when the kids were (are) young, I've laid down on the beds beside them and read them bedtime stories, and in some instances, fallen asleep before they have :lol: Did I stay there all night? Not on any occasion I can recall. But even if I had, it would not be "strange" ... or shouldn't be considered that way. If I had one bed, and one of my "nieces" wanted to spend the night, I'd have no problem with them bunking with me. But I've been friends with their mothers for multiple decades, and these children are like my extended family ... I see them more often than my actual step-nieces. However, as the girls get older, they would want their own space ... or I'd feel strange if my "nephew" wanted to sleep with me, I guess. But really it is a perception issue. These are young kids ... might as well be blood ... not someone I've known for a short period of time and all of a sudden their kids are spending the night in my bed. I even recently bunked up with my son when my mother spent the night because we only had the two beds, and my son has the bigger bed.

But in this case, perception is, unfortunately, everything. And after MJ was already accused of this once, he was stupid to put himself in that situation again if he is innocent ... and the mother was stupid for allowing it. I do believe in innocent until proven guilty ... but would you allow your child to stay over like that ... in the same bed ... after the perception was there? It would be different if it was in that big house that the kid was in a separate bedroom because he got tired and it was too far/wrong circumstances to take him home. We are talking about a multiroom mansion ... not a two bedroom apartment ... a regular (??) occurence ... not an adult falling asleep or an occasional "girls night" sleepover with a child that might as well be blood. There are differences there that I think should be recognized so that someone isn't made to feel "dirty" whose done nothing wrong or unusual ... because of the ones who have. I personally love children ... love to hug them ... love them up in my lap ... love coloring with them ... love to do things with them. And this situation reminds me of the attitude that teachers and clergy can't show any affection to children anymore ... because of the pervs who can't keep their hands to themselves. The poor children ... especially in public school ... that may get no affection whatsoever from home ... now miss out on the affectionate teacher, who means nothing more than a loving hug to a child who needs it. So we need to also be careful ... careful to protect our children at all costs ... but also careful not to condemn something out of hand in generalities ... maybe hurting someone who isn't doing anything wrong.

[Dr T]

I can't see any reason why I would want any bodies else kids to sleep in my bed. I would be horrified if I found out that my kids had slept in some other adults bed.