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eklypised
May 27th 2011, 12:27 PM
He quotes Dionysius as doubting the authorship and talks about Irenaeus as doubting the date, i dont know if Irenaeus doubted the authorship. But did Eusebius himself doubt the authorship of Revelation?

Matt the Bat
May 27th 2011, 12:35 PM
I had heard it said, though I can't give sources, that one particular church doubted the authorship of Revelations because it allegedly used so-called 'caveman idioms' unlike the rest of the writings by John which where considered to be valid and consistent. It may be the Ethiopian Orthodox Church that continues this tradition today and teaches universalist doctrine in its place, but I may be wrong about that part specifically.

Pilgrim
May 27th 2011, 12:40 PM
Since there's no book in the Bible with the title "Revelations" I'm not sure the question is a good one. :wink:

Kelp
May 28th 2011, 12:41 AM
I had heard it said, though I can't give sources, that one particular church doubted the authorship of Revelations because it allegedly used so-called 'caveman idioms' unlike the rest of the writings by John which where considered to be valid and consistent. It may be the Ethiopian Orthodox Church that continues this tradition today and teaches universalist doctrine in its place, but I may be wrong about that part specifically.The Syrian Orthodox, actually. They aren't univeralists AFAIK, though. Besides, one doesn't need Revelation to disaffirm universalism.

From what I've heard, Eusebius did doubt it but was willing to defer to the consensus of bishops, so his doubts must not have been too great.

Stefcui
October 15th 2012, 07:23 PM
He quotes Dionysius as doubting the authorship and talks about Irenaeus as doubting the date, i dont know if Irenaeus doubted the authorship. But did Eusebius himself doubt the authorship of Revelation?

I don't think Eusebius doubted the authorship of Revelation. Dionysius "apparently" challenged the authorship, but I don't think the so-called letter from Dionysius was actually written by Dionysius. It was written by a gnostic pretending to be Dionysius so as to cast doubt on the authority of scripture. Dionysius was taught by Origen, and Origen firmly believed that the apostle John wrote the book. The so-called letter of Dionysius itself is very suspect in style and grammar. There were many writings during his time that were altered or written by gnostics under pseudonyms of famous people. Christianity was in a war at this time that is hard for us now to imagine.