I Do Believe In Spiritual Gifts!

[PRAISE]

I don't think that we can totally reject ANY spiritual gift. By doing so, aren't we in effect "tying God's hands"? I know that so often, we only focus on the visible gifts, without considering that there are many NON-VISABLE gifts as well! That has certainly been my case, especially since I came back to the Lord after a WAY TOO LONG an absense! There has been two gifts that God HAS given me, the gift of caring, & the gift of being a conduit to express His love!
:) Anyone who still is a member of TOL, OR WHO HAS DUAL CITIZENSHIP both Here & at TOL, or used to belong to TOL, has seen some of the ways that I post! You can better believe that, I may have typed those words, but it was very much GOD that said them through me! If this isn't a spiriitual gift, I don't know what is! I always preview my posts before, I submit them. As I'm reading through them, I can't help but say to myself, "Did I write that?" This is God's hand people, pure & simple! There is no way that I could EVER write something like that by my own power!:) :) :) Nobody can Ever convince me that there aren't spiritual gifts, because I experience them every day! Praise GOD for that!:thumb:
Praising Him Everyday,
PRAISE:hi:

[Revolg]

The gifts will cease when the perfect has come. In the bible this has always been an encounter with God. The gifts will cease when Jesus comes back, at the end.

[PRAISE]

Originally posted by Revolg
The gifts will cease when the perfect has come. In the bible this has always been an encounter with God. The gifts will cease when Jesus comes back, at the end.

Thanx for your thoughts!
Praising Him always!
PRAISE:thumb:

[Gavin]

The gifts will cease when the perfect has come. In the bible this has always been an encounter with God. The gifts will cease when Jesus comes back, at the end.
That is a vastly simplified summary of my exegesis of I Corinthians 13.

[PRAISE]

Originally posted by Gavin
That is a vastly simplified summary of my exegesis of I Corinthians 13.

Perhaps, but accurate!:)

PRAISE:thumb:

[Rubia Warren]

Originally posted by Revolg
The gifts will cease when the perfect has come. In the bible this has always been an encounter with God. The gifts will cease when Jesus comes back, at the end.

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[Gavin]

anymore, especially in less entrenched academic circles, it is getting much harder to even find a staunch cessationist. Its a major paradigm shift, and, in my view, to be welcomed.

[Carl Smuda]

Pneumatikos in the AV is translated “spiritual” 26 times

Romans 1:11 “that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift,” Gift in this verse is a different word.

Romans 7:14 “we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.”

Romans 15:27 “if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also….” Spiritual things, in this verse, is pneumaikos.

1 Corinthians 2:13 “which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” In this verse spiritual things AND spiritual are both pneumatikos

1 Corinthians 2:15 “he that is spiritual judgeth all things,”

1 Corinthians 3:1 “could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, as unto babes in Christ.”

1 Corinthians 9:11 “we have sown unto you spiritual things,” Here, spiritual things is pneumatikos.

1 Corinthians 10:3 “did all eat the same spiritual meat.” Here only spiritual is pneumatikos.

1 Corinthians 10:4 “they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them” spiritual here is pneumatikos.

1 Corinthians 12:1 “Now concerning spiritual [gifts] brethren,” Gifts is in italics. No corresponding greek here in the interlinear.

1 Corinthains 14:1 “Follow after charity and desire spiritual [gifts],” Again the AV translators added gifts. But the word is pneumatikos.

1 Corinthians 14:37 “If any man think himself to be a prophet or spiritual,” Spiritual here is pneumatikos.

1 Corinthians 15:44 “it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body” Pneumatikos both times here for spiritual.

1 Corinthians 15:46 “not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual” spiritual both times is pneumatikos.

Galatians 6:1 “ye which are spiritual, restore such” spiritual = pneumatikos

Ephesians 1:3 “blessed with all spiritual blessings in the heavenly in Christ” spiritual = pneumatikos

Ephesians 5:19 “and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart” spiritual = pneumatikos

Ephesians 6:12 “against spiritual wickedness in high [places].” Spiritual = pneumatikos

Colossians 1:9 “in all wisdom and spiritual understanding” spiritual = pneumatikos

Colossians 3:16 “spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord” spiritual = pneumatikos

1 Peter 2:5 “are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices” Both times spiritual = pneumatikos

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Greetings Friends! I see that we have 100% agreement that we all believe in spiritual gifts. I do too! The Holy Spirit field is very big and full of tremendous detail and information in God's Word and theology. A very good friend gave me a couple systematic theology books (big enough to stun an ox :read: and the one about charismatics I took a peak at over xmass. I was amazed at just the write up on "Word of Knowledge"! so much detail well thought out and reasonable. And it was totally different from what I'd been taught about just that one manifestation.

My pet peeve is throwing around the word "gift". I appreciate the limitations of word studies by us english only punks. But, when one looks at the usage of pneumatikos I think it's reasonable to at least consider the ramifications of what we mean by "spiritual gifts" and what we can reason together about in God's Word. What does God call a spiritual gift and what do we call a spiritual gift?

As the great Apostle to the Gentiles goes through his list of points in First Corinthians, unity/division, spiritual/carnal, fornication, law suits, marriage, idols, communion...and then he comes to the next topic and saysNow concerning spiritual [gifts] brethren, I would not have you ignorant and from there it begins those three chapters, and then resurrection.

But gifts is in italics and that means no corresponding greek. the greek words translated gift are an amazing study themselves.

We need to be sure of what we mean by gift. There are spiritual gifts. there is one gift of Holy Spirit we all drank into that makes us one. Isn't it possible that using the word gift where God does not is denying ourselves further understandings?

Please, I humbly invite all who read this to cut-and-paste that pneumatikos word study. Take it home and spend some time with our heavenly Father in His holy Word. What do you see in the usage of that word? :idea:

respectfully,
Carl

[Jaltus]

Thanks, Carl.

And welcome to TWeb!

[Ishmael]

Somebody needs to make that poll votable. I could hardly in good conscience vote any of thoes choices.

[GrayPilgrim]

Welcome Carl!!!! :yipee:

I would also recomend looking into xarisma [charisma]. You wich is generally the word used for grace and spiritual gift. One thing you iwll find that I have always found interesting is that according to Paul marriage is a xarisma! So if you are married you're a Charismatic ;).

Calvinist,

Would you prefer that a thrid option be in place, that the sign gifts have passed away?

[Ishmael]

GrayPilgrim:
Welcome Carl!!!! :yipee:

I would also recomend looking into xarisma [charisma]. You wich is generally the word used for grace and spiritual gift. One thing you iwll find that I have always found interesting is that according to Paul marriage is a xarisma! So if you are married you're a Charismatic ;).

Calvinist,

Would you prefer that a thrid option be in place, that the sign gifts have passed away?

Maybe...

[Carl Smuda]

It's good to be here with you wonderful Saints of God!
GrayPilgrim, I and a friend sat down with that old Strong's concordance (I do prefer Young's) to do a study of 'Gifts'. And there was profit for both Jim and I. but there must be at least three different words. charisma, dorea? doma? What I was attempting to discern was clear indications of a one Gift of Holy Spirit (one of my prejudices - oops) verses general something...Gift of eternal life, or differing gifts (or talents?) in Romans 12 I think. The study of Gifts is richer and fuller than one might imagine. Without spiritual matters and spiritual gifts and spiritual blessings from on high, why, basic Christianity is just ethics.

[Gavin]

Welcome to TWEB, Carl, great to have you.

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[GrayPilgrim]

Carl,

It warms my heart to have you hear. Your words are always filled with such grace!

GP

[Carl Smuda]

Thank you GrayPilgrim and Gavin. Behold we have all things new again....God is Great! as we say, May the words in our mouths and the meditations of our hearts be acceptable in your sight Lord Jesus.

[dizzle]

Carl!!!

[Carl Smuda]

Gabba gabba hey!

[Rubia Warren]

Welcome, Carl. I am so glad you are here! I love your posts.

[Carl Smuda]

Thank you LaRubia. You are all so nice. God absolutely inspired the internet forum. Saints of God -who could never fellowship before-can now share fully and come together in ways not possible before. Blessed be Him. And of Goshen, isn't that close to South Bend? you know, anyone who is anyone is about South Bend. Or Sandusky Ohio, or Manistee Michigan. :)

[PRAISE]

Carl Smuda:
It's good to be here with you wonderful Saints of God!
GrayPilgrim, I and a friend sat down with that old Strong's concordance (I do prefer Young's) to do a study of 'Gifts'. And there was profit for both Jim and I. but there must be at least three different words. charisma, dorea? doma? What I was attempting to discern was clear indications of a one Gift of Holy Spirit (one of my prejudices - oops) verses general something...Gift of eternal life, or differing gifts (or talents?) in Romans 12 I think. The study of Gifts is richer and fuller than one might imagine. Without spiritual matters and spiritual gifts and spiritual blessings from on high, why, basic Christianity is just ethics.

:thumb: :thumb: Carl-Excellant thoughts!

Praising Him ALWAYS!
PRAISE:thumb:

[Dr. Jack Bauer]

I believe in the gift of resurrection!

Resurrecting old threads to walk the halls of TWeb as decaying zombie masses of zeroes and ones.

[Amazing Rando]

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[One Bad Pig]

I believe in the gift of resurrection!

Resurrecting old threads to alk the halls of TWeb as decaying zombie masses of zeroes and ones.
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