The Netherlands view on Immigration

[JCAtheist]

I recently read/watched an article about the Netherlands and some of the changes they have made concerning their immigration laws. What triggered me to take a look was:

http://content.time.com/time/video/p...d=tabvidrecirc

It seems one of the biggest bones of contention is that people will be asked/made to possibly leave if they do not learn the language of the Netherlands within two years. Besides anything else, does anyone find that to be a bad thing?

It just seems to me that when you pick a country to go 'live' in, that should be a major priority anyway. If you can't speak the native language, how do you understand the laws etc. etc. Anyway, I didn't see a thread about it, and was curious as to what people thought.

A quick disclaimer, I realise sometimes that people are forced into a position that makes them have to leave their homeland. However, where they choose to go is generally up to them.

[myth]

I'm good with it. They shouldn't have to master the language too quickly, but it's reasonable to expect that they make some basic progress with the language. It may be worthwhile to provide some sort of resource to help them learn, though.

[JCAtheist]

I'm good with it. They shouldn't have to master the language too quickly, but it's reasonable to expect that they make some basic progress with the language. It may be worthwhile to provide some sort of resource to help them learn, though.

From what I saw, they do. They provide learning materials and such. Is two years a fair time to learn a completely new language enough to be able to interview for a job though? It -sounds- fair.. but I can't say I know.

[myth]

From what I saw, they do. They provide learning materials and such. Is two years a fair time to learn a completely new language enough to be able to interview for a job though? It -sounds- fair.. but I can't say I know.

Sounds fair. Though I must admit that I'm not bilingual in any sense of the word, so I have no metric by which to judge that time frame. My next personal project is to learn Spanish, so I guess I'll find out later.

[robrecht]

From what I saw, they do. They provide learning materials and such. ...

Don't know if they still do, but Germany used to provide not only materials but extensive classes free of charge, and not merely to immigrants but to their guest workers as well.

[JCAtheist]

Don't know if they still do, but Germany used to provide not only materials but extensive classes free of charge, and not merely to immigrants but to their guest workers as well.

I think most places do that require that place such requirements. Would certainly be a much bigger outcry, I would think, if they made such immigration laws and DIDN'T supply access to actually be able to learn in a reasonable time frame.

I do wonder why the video seemed to think it directly targeted Muslims though. It seems like a pretty straight forward idea, and one that other countries, such as Australia, have used for a while. If it applies to everyone, how does it specifically target one group?

[Cow Poke]

I recently read/watched an article about the Netherlands and some of the changes they have made concerning their immigration laws. What triggered me to take a look was:

http://content.time.com/time/video/p...d=tabvidrecirc

It seems one of the biggest bones of contention is that people will be asked/made to possibly leave if they do not learn the language of the Netherlands within two years. Besides anything else, does anyone find that to be a bad thing?

It just seems to me that when you pick a country to go 'live' in, that should be a major priority anyway. If you can't speak the native language, how do you understand the laws etc. etc. Anyway, I didn't see a thread about it, and was curious as to what people thought.

A quick disclaimer, I realise sometimes that people are forced into a position that makes them have to leave their homeland. However, where they choose to go is generally up to them.

Yeah!

[Darth Executor]

From what I saw, they do. They provide learning materials and such. Is two years a fair time to learn a completely new language enough to be able to interview for a job though? It -sounds- fair.. but I can't say I know.

I'm wondering what business they have in that country in the first place if they can't communicate well enough to work.

[JCAtheist]

I'm wondering what business they have in that country in the first place if they can't communicate well enough to work.

I guess in the case of those in the video, they did so to get away from religious oppression in their own country. From what was mentioned, anyway. But yes, why go somewhere you have a hard time communicating? And then to point it out as being some for of suppression of a whole ideology seems a little... odd.

Doesn't seem to me that religion comes in to it, except for it being their reason to have moved, apparently. And it's not like they were even denied entry.. just told that now you have so much time to show that you can fit in to the society you are wishing to be part of.

AM I missing something? Heh.

[Epoetker]

Meanwhile, in America:


How DARE he?

This is what happens when you don't macro-agress.

Which white feminist traitor helped them write that?

went far beyond just one classroom, according to Inside Higher Ed.

With liberals, it somehow always does.

Me, I always had a problem with Thomas Jefferson capitalizing "merciless indian savages" in the Declaration.

Rust admitted that he likely made matters worse by not aggressively and proactively taking the side of a minority student who was engaged in an argument with a white female student. The minority student told the woman that she had no right to feel oppressed, and Rust did not express agreement either way.

AMBIVALENCE IS HATE AND LEGALLY ACTIONABLE, CRACKA!

a Student of Color and a white female student [Nice microagressing against the decapitalized nonperson there]

Good strategy for the current ruling leftist coalition: Let them fight each other to a standstill, then kill whatever's left.

It's been a couple hundred years since this race was imported and sort of learned to speak our language, and this attitude is common around 80-90% of their population. My position on immigration, therefore, would be allowing people in on racial and ethnic similarity to the host population first and 'language ability' a far distant second. Turn away immigrants politely but firmly, and if anyone proposes importing large numbers of them because duty or votes or cheap labor or whatever, hang them politely but firmly as traitors to their people and their nation. Whether in Denmark or the United States, diversity kills both local culture and free speech.

[JCAtheist]

Meanwhile, in America:

How DARE he?

etc. etc. etc.

So, what you are saying is, that on the face of it, you don't think it's a bad policy to have anyway... for those that manage to sneak in under the radar?

[Cerealman]

Meanwhile, in America:




How DARE he?



This is what happens when you don't macro-agress.



Which white feminist traitor helped them write that?



With liberals, it somehow always does.



Me, I always had a problem with Thomas Jefferson capitalizing "merciless indian savages" in the Declaration.



AMBIVALENCE IS HATE AND LEGALLY ACTIONABLE, CRACKA!



Good strategy for the current ruling leftist coalition: Let them fight each other to a standstill, then kill whatever's left.



It's been a couple hundred years since this race was imported and sort of learned to speak our language, and this attitude is common around 80-90% of their population. My position on immigration, therefore, would be allowing people in on racial and ethnic similarity to the host population first and 'language ability' a far distant second. Turn away immigrants politely but firmly, and if anyone proposes importing large numbers of them because duty or votes or cheap labor or whatever, hang them politely but firmly as traitors to their people and their nation. Whether in Denmark or the United States, diversity kills both local culture and free speech.

I heard the KKK was looking for new members.

[KingsGambit]

Since nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room, I will. A cultural struggle in Europe right now is large number of Muslims immigrating in, and some rather uncomfortable cultural clashes have resulted (i.e. the Theo van Gogh incident). I would bet good money that this has much to do with this particular stringent stance.

[Jedidiah]

I heard the KKK was looking for new members.

I don't think Epo plays well with others.

[Darth Executor]

The kkk is just an environmentalist organization these days anyway.