Why are Partial Preterists Inconsistent with Time Texts?

[decoski]

All preterists will agree that Jesus meant the lifetime of those he spoke to when he said "...the time is near"(Mt. 26:18), yet not with "the time is near" spoken by John in Revelation. Why does "time is near" mean in the lifetime of those he wrote to in the opening in Rev. 1:3, yet mean thousands plus years "near" in the closing of Rev. 22:10? Furthermore, I find it interesting that the premillenialist and partial preterist alike find the second coming of Christ (third coming for the partial preterist), a bodily resurrection, a reign on earth, a literal throne of David, Jerusalem in Palestine, we will reign, and Christ physically on earth in Rev. 20:1-6, yet these are NOT mentioned anywhere in these verses. Amazing how verses that mention none of these, are taught to mean all of these! Yet consistent preterists are the "heretics."

[studyhound]

decoski:

All preterists will agree that Jesus meant the lifetime of those he spoke to when he said "...the time is near"(Mt. 26:18), yet not with "the time is near" spoken by John in Revelation. Why does "time is near" mean in the lifetime of those he wrote to in the opening in Rev. 1:3, yet mean thousands plus years "near" in the closing of Rev. 22:10? Furthermore, I find it interesting that the premillenialist and partial preterist alike find the second coming of Christ (third coming for the partial preterist), a bodily resurrection, a reign on earth, a literal throne of David, Jerusalem in Palestine, we will reign, and Christ physically on earth in Rev. 20:1-6, yet these are NOT mentioned anywhere in these verses. Amazing how verses that mention none of these, are taught to mean all of these! Yet consistent preterists are the "heretics."



Err. I sorry that’s wrong, but thanks for playing. :doh:

If you take the time to study the orthodox preterists views most are only looking to a bodily resurrection and the final judgment. None I have read nor met hold to a: a reign on earth, a literal throne of David, Jerusalem in Palestine, we will reign, and Christ physically on earth in Rev. 20:1-6,
So try and read and understand the views of others before you slap them down.

Ya I know your next feign, "but what about the time text!!!!" Well if you mess up on the basics of a view you are hardly at a point to go deeper.

For example all the oneness and those who deny the trinity, and say trinitarians believe in 3 Gods, but they either misrepresent the view either because they don’t understand or they are ignorant of the view.

SO get your facts straight and spend some time in research.

BTW, I settled on the orthodox view after long and hard study on both sides, and found the "consistent" view lacking. So don’t go throwing this back at me well you don’t know what your talking about or you don’t know the view.

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[Dee Dee Warren]

This initial post was so fundamentally flawed of even understanding a positoin that one attempts to criticize that I suggest that the initial poster first learn what it is that he disagrees with. I hate that someone has embraced heresy without even understanding orthodoxy which is akin to throwing away one's birthright for the proverbial mess of pottage. Furthermore it is historically dishonest to abscond with a label that has not meant what it is being pressed to mean today. If one will not accept a more neutral term such as pantelist, conscience dictates that NeoHymenaean will have to do.

[Solly]

decoski, you have already been informed that discussions that promote NeoHymenæism/Pantelism/"Full" Preterism cannot take place in the Eschatology forum, and have had one post moved from there already. Please do not do it again.
If you wish to discuss the issue, Comparative Religion is open to you, and you can say as much as you want. The Systematic Theology Forums are for what is deemed to be Orthodox Christian theology under the terms which you signed up to.

[judge]

Jesus also said in Matthew 24 that immediately after the tribulation he would come with power and glory.

Partial preterists believe the tribulation happened but not the return of Christ

:huh:

[Dee Dee Warren]

Today @ 05:33 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=358387#post358387)
judge:

Jesus also said in Matthew 24 that immediately after the tribulation he would come with power and glory.

Partial preterists believe the tribulation happened but not the return of Christ

:huh:

Incorrect. I sure wish people would learn what it is they oppose. It looks pretty silly otherwise. I am amazed at the ignorance on this thread.

[judge]

Here is a text which seems clearly to associate the resurrection with the great tribulation. If the tribulation has happened why not the resurrection?

Daniel 12:1-2...1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people-everyone whose name is found written in the book-will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

The bible is inspired but the creeds are not necessarily.

[Dee Dee Warren]

So the prior blunder is glossed over? I am sure JP will deal with this text in his debate with you. Of course using one OT text as a primary prooftext to over-ride a doctrine abudantly explicated in the NT is more than problematic, it is disturbing. Reminds me of how Isaiah 9:6 is used to prove that Jesus is the Father. Hint: Daniel 12 says too much to be the NeoHymeanean nonresurrection of AD7O.