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  • #2
    Old hat. See discussion in Unorthodox Theology.
    Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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    • #3
      It is very misleading to affirmatively state for sure in a subject line that, yes, Jesus was for sure married... based on a line in a fourth century document.
      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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      • #4
        Shuny passing an old forgery as a new discovery. Shocking.
        "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

        There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
          It is very misleading to affirmatively state for sure in a subject line that, yes, Jesus was for sure married... based on a line in a fourth century document.
          I agree.

          I do wonder if Jesus would've had a more complete human experience had he been married to a woman.

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          • #6
            Um, dude, this papyrus was found as a modern forgery. Which incidentally led to the cancellation of the documentary that was going to air about it.

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            • #7
              Craig Evans in 2012:

              [Note from Brian LePort: I received an email from Craig A. Evans saying that the Harvard Theological Review (HTR) has decided against publishing Karen King's paper on the Gospel of Jesus' Wife. He wrote, "After the analyses of Francis Watson, Mark Goodacre, Gesine Robinson, and others, I think forgery is virtually a certainty." I responded asking if it is becoming a consensus that it is a "modern" forgery and the below post (which he said I could share) is his response. Also, I should add that he did not provide his source, so I've sent him a follow-up email asking where he heard the news regarding HTR's decision. Update: The source appears to be an email from Gesine Robinson whose source is Helmut Koester. Gospel of Thomas (principally from logia 30, 101, and 114). I suspect the papyrus itself is probably quite old, perhaps fourth or fifth century, but the oddly written (or painted) letters on the recto side are probably modern and probably reflect recent interest in Jesus and Mary Magdalene. The decision of the editors of Harvard Theological Review
              http://web.archive.org/web/201209270...craig-a-evans/

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              • #8
                Originally posted by whag View Post
                I do wonder if Jesus would've had a more complete human experience had he been married to a woman.
                If he was married it would explain why he allowed himself to be crucified.
                Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MehGerbil View Post
                  If he was married it would explain why he allowed himself to be crucified.
                  Imagine the pain of having multiple wives. Consider how David dealt with them:

                  That's how you treat 'em ANE style.

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                  • #10
                    it would appear that they have decided it is not a modern forgery
                    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-...modern-forgery
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MehGerbil View Post
                      If he was married it would explain why he allowed himself to be crucified.
                      Clearly it was because of the guys his daughters were dating.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                        It is very misleading to affirmatively state for sure in a subject line that, yes, Jesus was for sure married... based on a line in a fourth century document.
                        It's not fourth century: from the Harvard report, the "papyrus material is ancient, and can be dated to the seventh to eighth c.c.e." Fourth century is the hypothetical .

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Raphael View Post
                          it would appear that they have decided it is not a modern forgery
                          http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-...modern-forgery
                          Depends on who you define "they" as.

                          The Theological Review also published a rebuttal by Leo Depuydt, an Egyptologist at Brown University, who said he reviewed the test results but remained convinced that the fragment was a modern forgery inexpertly daubed on an ancient scrap of blank papyrus.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            Clearly it was because of the guys his daughters were dating.
                            Touche.
                            Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                              It is very misleading to affirmatively state for sure in a subject line that, yes, Jesus was for sure married... based on a line in a fourth century document.
                              not
                              אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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