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kiwimac
March 7th 2003, 02:30 AM
When Saddam hanged a British journalist in 1990, MI5 had the journalist smeared in the Sun, and the Mail agreed he was a spy. What did Blair say? John Pilger can find nothing. :

John Pilger :27 Feb 2003


Having failed to fabricate a link between Iraq and al-Qaeda, and prove that Iraq has a secret armoury of banned weapons, the warmongers have fallen back on the "moral case" for an unprovoked attack on a stricken country. Farce has arrived. We want to laugh out loud, a deep and dark and almost grief-laden laugh, at Blair's concern for the "victims of Saddam Hussein" and his admonishment (reprinted in the Observer) of the millions of protesters: "There will be... no protests about the
thousands of [Iraqi] children that die needlessly every year..."

First, let's look back to Saddam's most famous victim, the British journalist Farzad Bazoft, who was hanged in 1990 for "spying", a bogus trial following a bogus charge. Those of us who protested at his murder did so in the teeth of a smear campaign by the British government and a press determined to cover for Britain's favourite tyrant.

The Sun smeared Bazoft by publishing his conviction for stealing when he was a student - information supplied by MI5 on behalf of the Thatcher government, which was then seeking any excuse not to suspend its lucrative business and arms deals with the Iraqi dictator. The Mail and Today suggested that Saddam was right - that Bazoft was a spy. In a memorable editorial, the Sunday Telegraph equated investigative journalism with criminal espionage. Defending Saddam, not his victim,
was clearly preferable.

What did Tony Blair say about this outrage? I can find nothing. Did Blair join those of us who protested, on the streets and in print, at the fact that ministers such as Douglas Hurd were commuting to Baghdad, with Hurd going especially to celebrate the anniversary of the coming to power of the dictator I described as "renowned as the interrogator and torturer of Qasr-al-Nihayyah, the 'Palace of the End'"?

There is no record of Blair saying anything substantive about Saddam Hussein's atrocities until after 11 September 2001 when the Americans, having failed to catch Osama Bin Laden, declared Saddam their number one enemy. As for Blair's assertion that there have been "no protests about the thousands of children that die needlessly under his rule", the answer is straightforward.

There have been years of protests about the effect of the Anglo-American embargo on the children of Iraq. That the US, backed by Britain, is largely responsible for hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi deaths is the great unspoken in the so-called mainstream of politics and journalism. That the embargo allowed Saddam Hussein to centralise and reinforce his domestic control is equally unmentionable. Whenever the voluminous evidence of such a monumental western crime against humanity is laid out, the crocodile tears of Blair and the rest of the warmongers
barely disguise their cynicism.

Denis Halliday, the former assistant secretary general of the United Nations who was the senior UN official in Baghdad, has many times identified the "genocide" of the American-driven sanctions. The UN's Food and Agricultural Organisation (FAO) has paid tribute to the Iraqi rationing system, giving it credit for saving an entire population from famine. This, like the evidence and witness of Halliday and his successor, Hans von Sponeck, and the United Nations Children's Fund (Unicef) and the Catholic Relief Agency (Cafod) and the 70 members of the US Congress who
wrote to President Clinton describing the embargo as "infanticide masquerading as policy", has been airbrushed out. In contrast, the gassing of the Kurdish town of Halabja in 1988 has become part of Blair's and Bush's vocabulary. Eleven months after this atrocity, the assistant US secretary of state James Kelly flew to Baghdad to tell Saddam Hussein:

"You are a source for moderation in the region, and the United States wants to broaden her relationship with Iraq."

What did Blair say about this? I can find nothing. Read the Murdoch press at the time. There is nothing about Saddam being "another Hitler"; no mention of torture chambers and appeasers. Saddam is one of us, because Washington says so. The Australian, Murdoch's flagship in the country of his birth, and currently a leading warmonger, thought the most regrettable aspect about Iraq's use of chemical weapons at Halabja was that it had "given Tehran a propaganda coup and may have destroyed western hopes of quiet diplomacy". Like other Murdoch papers, it
defended Saddam by suggesting that Iraq's use of chemical and nerve agents was purely defensive.

Of the media warmongers in this country, it is difficult to choose the most absurd. Murdoch's blustering hagiographer, William ("Mr X") Shawcross must defer, alas, to David Aaronovitch, the retired Stalinist apologist now employed by the Guardian Group to poke a stick at its readership and whose penchant for getting things wrong makes him the doyen. In his condescending lecture to the millions who marched on 15 February, Aaronovitch wrote: "I wanted to ask, whether among your hundreds of thousands, the absences bothered you? The Kurds, the Iraqis - of whom there are many thousands in this country - where were they? Why were they not there?"

There were more than 4,000 Kurds marching en bloc. The Kurds foresee clearly yet another sell-out by the west, now that Washington is encouraging the Turkish military to occupy Iraqi Kurdistan. According to my Iraqi friends, there were "a minimum of 3,000 Iraqis" marching. Two years ago, I attended an Iraqi festival at Kensington and Chelsea Town Hall. More than 2,000 Iraqis were present with their families. When Denis Halliday called for an end to the economic siege of Iraq and the implementation of that crucial passage of Security Council Resolution 687,
which requires a ban on weapons of mass destruction throughout the region, in Israel as much as Iraq, he received thunderous applause. Everyone there, it seemed to me, had little or no time for Saddam Hussein; but none wanted their country strangled, attacked and occupied by the west yet again.

Patrick Tyler, a perceptive writer in the New York Times, says that Bush and Blair now face a "tenacious new adversary" - the public. He says we are heading into a new bipolar world with two new superpowers: the regime in Washington on one side, and world public opinion on the other. In a poll of half a million Europeans, Time magazine asked which country was the greatest threat to peace: 5.8 per cent said North Korea, 6.8 per cent said Iraq and 87 per cent said the United States. In other
words, the game is up.

People have become aware, above all, that the most dangerous appeasement today has little to do with a regional tyrant, and everything to do with "our" governments.

Source Dissident Voice

Alden
March 7th 2003, 02:54 AM
In London Bazoft found the exile Iranian population boorish and sought the company of the exile Iraqi population in London. During his search he met an Iraqi businessman at a party and immediately struck a chord with him. This businessman was a Mossad case officer who was instructed to cultivate Farzad Bazoft. Whatever the arrangements Bazoft joined the BBC for a research assignment, did well and eventually became a regular contributor to the Observer on matters concerning the Middle East, including Iraq.

Shortly after his arrival, in Great Britain, Bazoft was imprisoned for a serious offence. On his release he suffered from bouts of depression and was also short of funds. These facts were not missed by Mossad who formerly recruited him. Using Mossad money Bazoft researched various matters and produced quality articles. Apart from those that ran in the newspapers he also had input into television news.

Later, in September 1989, Bazoft travelled to Iraq and used his fluency of Farsi to interject with Iraqi officials on the behalf of other reporters; for all this he remained a solitary figure and did not readily mix with the other foreign journalists.

He was also taken to going out alone and remained in Iraq after the other journalists had left the country.

Mossad had exploited Farzad Bazoft to the full. His remit, whilst in Iraq, was to investigate the 'supergun' operation, Project Babylon, run by the Canadian Dr.Gerald Bull. A cover was arranged which would protect Mossad but clearly indicate that Bazoft was working for a British company, Defence Systems Limited, DSL.

Farzad Bazoft was arrested by Iraqi authorities near a supergun test site and in the company of a British nurse, Daphne Parrish. His whereabouts, prior to his appearance on television had been unknown for several weeks. He appeared on video-tape and made a firm confession that he was spying for Mossad.

The London based DSL denied any knowledge of Farzad Bazoft whilst Members of Parliament commented on the sending of Bazoft to Iraq by the Observer newspaper.

On 15th March 1990 Farzad Bazoft was executed, by hanging, in the Abu Ghreib prison


This is taken from a french website. http://www.cvni.net/radio/e2k/e2k07article.html

you have posted yet another slanted article. Congrats Kiwimac!

I have no illusions about the misdeeds of nations like the US and Britian. As a student of history, I am well aware of them.

Thanks for yet another article.

Your rabid hatred for the US and Britain, besides being tiresome, has become increasingly obvious with every post.:thumb:

kiwimac
March 7th 2003, 04:08 AM
Friend,

The only group I have a "rabid hatred" for are those who treat people as things on which to step on their way to power and / or riches and / or control.

I call em as I see em, THAT my friend, is what Freedom of Speech is about. Of course, you have entirely missed the point of Pilger's article, which was to ask " Where were all those who are attacking Hussein now, THEN."

But I realise that being blinded by patriotism you might well not be able to tell the difference between constructive criticism and "Rabid Hatred"

Kiwimac

Alden
March 7th 2003, 04:44 AM
More sanctimonious nonsense. Let me help you understand what I was saying. By slanted article, I mean containing biases or errors. This is why I posted regarding the journalist, to show that he is likely to have been a spy. This does not justify his execution, but I was taking issue with the factual content of the article. I was not addressing the where were they then question. I can read, and I can grasp the point of the article.


But I realise that being blinded by patriotism you might well not be able to tell the difference between constructive criticism and "Rabid Hatred"

Nice bit of nonsense there Kiwi, perceptive as always. Knowing how to pay attention would have helped you, because then you would have seen this:


I have no illusions about the misdeeds of nations like the US and Britian. As a student of history, I am well aware of them.


Normally, a statement like this is hard pressed to pass for blind patriotism. In speaking of your rabid hatred of the US and Britian, I was addressing the overall content of your posts. They are not constructive in any way. They simply trash the US. Once again, I do not profess the blamelessness of my country or any other. I have been, and will continue to be, critical of my country on a great many issues.

If you want to talk constructively, than talk constructively. My criticism is borne out of the love that I have for the nation that my family has spilled blood for. It's faults wound me all the more deeply because of it. Your criticism is borne out of a hatred or bitterness that is plain as day.

It must be easy living in a country that doesn't have to make critical decisions that affect the rest of the world.

Get a grip Kiwi.

Ryokan
March 7th 2003, 04:15 PM
Another question, Kiwi, is why do you start so many threads and then abandon them. I occasional abandon threads, but tis usually cuz the stupidity of my computer causes me to rewrite rebuttals three or four times before they post, and then I lose interest. Does your computer suck, or is there another reason?

kiwimac
March 7th 2003, 10:50 PM
Ryokan,

I don't abandon them. I simply move on. I check them from time to time and if I have anything else to add I do so. But I post as the whim takes me.

Kiwimac

Epoetker
March 7th 2003, 10:57 PM
Posting as the whim takes you, without any effort to incorporate the news stories into a wider context, argument, presentation, or idea, is just going to get you roundly insulted. Kindly don't waste TWeb bandwidth with yet another Guardian/Independent article until you're willing to take the ideas therein seriously enough to make a sustained intellectual case for them.

Oh, and if you want American liberals who actually make non-whiny, serious policy and anti-war arguments, go here:

www.tnr.com

Peter Beinart is one of the few liberals whose arguments I take very seriously.

Eyeheart Pumpkin
March 8th 2003, 02:55 AM
03-07-2003 @ 02:44 AM
Alden:

More sanctimonious nonsense. Let me help you understand what I was saying. By slanted article, I mean containing biases or errors.
Well, the solution to this problem is rather simple, don't you think? Provide an article without a slant or bias of some sort. Of course, we'll all be old and grey before anyone manages to dig up such a fabled item.

kiwimac
March 8th 2003, 04:56 AM
03-08-2003 @ 02:57 PM
Epoetker:

Posting as the whim takes you, without any effort to incorporate the news stories into a wider context, argument, presentation, or idea, is just going to get you roundly insulted. Kindly don't waste TWeb bandwidth with yet another Guardian/Independent article until you're willing to take the ideas therein seriously enough to make a sustained intellectual case for them.

Oh, and if you want American liberals who actually make non-whiny, serious policy and anti-war arguments, go here:

www.tnr.com

Peter Beinart is one of the few liberals whose arguments I take very seriously.

In the words of my sainted grandmother, "get stuffed!" I post as I see fit! As for being a "whiny, liberal" that's your problem not mine, I am quite happy as I am. As for what I post, the points of view in them are important, though it might bruise fragile American / English egos. I make no apologies for that, IMO, better bruised egos than dead people!


Kiwimac

flipper
March 8th 2003, 05:26 AM
Kiwi:

Although as far as I am concerned you can post what you like, and I will read it with interest, I don't think Independent articles, Guardian articles, Catholic Herald articles, or millions of people out protesting on the streets will divert the inevitability of events one whit.

Although I agree that there is a significant amount of hypocrisy and humbug, in the republican party, the labor/conservative parties, and the press in both countries, which you would have to be blind not to see.

Nevertheless, the best hope for peace movement will derive from the diplomatic pressure of countries who strongly oppose this war, and it doesn't look like that will be enough.

Never mind the mid-East - from a political perspective it will be interesting to see what NATO and US/EU relations will look like after this war. It will also be interesting to see what will happen in East Asia.

Alden
March 8th 2003, 06:02 AM
03-07-2003 @ 10:55 PM
Eireann:


Well, the solution to this problem is rather simple, don't you think? Provide an article without a slant or bias of some sort. Of course, we'll all be old and grey before anyone manages to dig up such a fabled item.

You have a point there. I was leaning more toward error. Point noted.

Alden
March 8th 2003, 06:05 AM
I am quite happy as I am

Yes. There's so much happiness radiating from you, I'm getting a case of the gigglies myself:rofl: :dunce:

undead
March 8th 2003, 06:30 AM
I know Blair is a hypocrite. He is one of the most evil men alive on the face of the planet. It was he who pushed throught the laws permitting homosexual sex with 16 years olds, out of his sense of moral rightness and religious rectitude. It was he who tried to scrap section 28 banning councils from promoting homosexuality in schools

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/uk_politics/695024.stm

That guy is mad. Seriously Deranged. A poodle who likes jumping on bandwagons.

That guy will burn. No need to waste time trying digging up spy stories to prove it.

kiwimac
March 8th 2003, 07:46 AM
03-08-2003 @ 09:26 PM
flipper:

Kiwi:

Although as far as I am concerned you can post what you like, and I will read it with interest, I don't think Independent articles, Guardian articles, Catholic Herald articles, or millions of people out protesting on the streets will divert the inevitability of events one whit.

Although I agree that there is a significant amount of hypocrisy and humbug, in the republican party, the labor/conservative parties, and the press in both countries, which you would have to be blind not to see.

Nevertheless, the best hope for peace movement will derive from the diplomatic pressure of countries who strongly oppose this war, and it doesn't look like that will be enough.

Never mind the mid-East - from a political perspective it will be interesting to see what NATO and US/EU relations will look like after this war. It will also be interesting to see what will happen in East Asia.

Strangely enough I agree.

Kiwimac

Epoetker
March 9th 2003, 05:47 PM
I make no apologies for that, IMO, better bruised egos than dead people!

Even if the dead people are largely evil murderous bastards and whatever civvies they try to drag into their crosshairs? Spare me the sanctimony. If it weren't for the fact that the Kiwi-American family I know personally is very much in favor of this war, I might go the Calvinist route and engage in free-for all NZ-bashing as well.

nijjhar
July 20th 2005, 04:44 AM
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