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Solly
March 7th 2003, 07:18 AM
Surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

For myself (remembering some of it is ministry related)

Commentaries on Romans: Moo, Schlatter, Barth, Grieb, Welch, Calvin. This is cos I am preaching thru Romans.

Biblical Theology/Eschatology: Ridderbos, Coming of the Kingdom; Vos Eschatology of the OT; Next up: Paul: An Outline of his theology

Reformed reading: Witsius, The Apostle's Creed; Edwards, Freedom of the Will. Next up: Boettner, Predestination, and Witsius Economy of the Covenants

Hermeneutics: Silva, Foundations of Contemporary Interpretation, combined volume. Next up: Vanhoozer

Systematics: Grudem; Heppe

When I get time for it: Barth Protestant Theology in the Nineteenth Century.

If I ever get time for them: Sharansky, Fear no evil; (autobiog); Breuggermann, The Land.

Christian Life: Owen Grace and duty of being spiritually minded.

Fiction: Charles Williams Reader, just about to start War in Heaven.

dizzle
March 7th 2003, 07:23 AM
All of that at ONCE?? Eeek, every since I developed this theology forum addicti.... err, hobby, I have had precious little reading time.

I am currently reading Kenneth Gentry's "Perilious Times: A Study in Eschatology Evil" and listening to Dan Trotter's preterism tape series. Now no one can say that I am not serious about my obsessions.

Solly
March 7th 2003, 07:28 AM
It's all piece meal DD

Start with Romans, cos I need that; plus other ministry requirements.

Then the BT/Esch, a chapter a day hopefully

Then the Reformed, if there is time

Then the rest is for sudden spare time, such as Sunday evening after church, or even better, for instsance, the end of march when I am not preaching for two weeks - Oh goody, reading time!!

dizzle
March 7th 2003, 07:32 AM
I do read a lot of magazines and other small material. I get a lot of material from Answers in Genesis and the Institute for Creation Research.

Magazines I get reguarly are The Christian Research Journal, Biblical Worldview, and Credenda Agenda.

brother vinny
March 7th 2003, 10:25 AM
I'm reading American Gods, by Neil Gaiman. I also have several volumes of Gaiman's Sandman graphic novels checked out.

I'm also reading The Good Book, by Peter J. Gomes, and The History of God, by Karen Armstrong.

dizzle
March 7th 2003, 12:01 PM
There is a great critique of Armstrong's work in the Christian Research Journal. I could let you know the issue number if you like... I believe they are all online.

Patroclus
March 7th 2003, 07:01 PM
I am reading Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes.

The Silmarillion by J.R.R. Tolkien.

The Tempest by William Shakespeare.

Don Quixote by Miguel Cervantes

bar Jonah
March 9th 2003, 04:32 AM
Currently, I am reading (in no particular order of importance):

The Invisible Man, by H.G. Wells

Leave Your Self Alone, by Eugenia Price

How We Got Our Bible, by W.H. Griffith Thomas

Signs of Intelligence: understanding intelligent design, edited by William A. Dembski and James M. Kushiner, with contributions by many

Ishmael
March 9th 2003, 04:40 AM
I read Escape from Reason today and I am going to read The Christian Manafesto tomorrow.

Both of these were written by Francis Schaeffer but one was written in 1968 and the other in 1981. So the perspective is quite different but the message is truer in 2003 than in either decade... too bad FS is not here to see that he was (among many other things) a prophet.

GrayPilgrim
March 9th 2003, 04:58 AM
I love The Christian Manifesto I was in High School the last time I read Escape from Reason. Volume IV of his complete works is still my favorite though.

GP

GrayPilgrim
March 9th 2003, 05:11 AM
Currently I am reading:

Commentaries
Genesis: Hamilton, Kidner, Ross, Sailhamer Waltke, Wenham and Westermann

Leviticus: Ross

1 Peter: Achtemeier, Davids, Grudem, Michaels

Biblical Theology
Childs Biblical Theology, Eichrodt Theology of the Old Testament, von Rad Old Testament Theology, Zimmerli I am Yahweh

OT Introduction
CogginsIntroducing the OT, Welhausen Prologemena zur Geschichte Israels

Systematics
Brown The Ethos of the Cosmos, Demarest The Cross and Salvation, Frame The Doctrine of God

Practical Theology
Flavel The Mystery of Providence, Piper Future Grace

Biography
Bethge Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Murray Jonathan Edwards

Hermeneutics
Sternberg The Poetics of Biblcial Narrative and Vanhoozer Is Their Meaning in this Text

Fiction
Shaara Gods and Generals and The Last Full Measure

GP

RumTumTugger
March 16th 2003, 09:37 PM
A Book: :teeth:

John Reece
March 16th 2003, 10:13 PM
TWeb has been a catalyst for refreshing on old reading habit:

Hebrew OT
Greek NT

:read:

undead
March 16th 2003, 10:30 PM
I am reading:

OECD: Fiscal Relations within the European Union
IFS: Coporate Tax Harmonization and Economic Efficiency
Free Movement of Persons and Income Tax Law: The European Court in Search of Principles.
etc
for my essay.

Also RH Charles: Pseudepigrapha.

luv1another
March 16th 2003, 10:50 PM
hmmm wow all those books sound very impressive :)

well Im nowhere near all those books :) Im reading....
the beginers guide to intercession by Dutch sheets
Blessings and curses by Derek Prince .... and wait for it :D
I praise you o God by Dr Michael Yousseff :)


Love in Christ
Luv1another

Ryokan
March 19th 2003, 12:56 PM
Water Touching Stone, by Eliot Patterson
and Strategy, by Liddell Hart

Jaltus
March 19th 2003, 01:08 PM
The Once and Future King by TH White
God, Time, and Knowledge by William Hasker
The Only Wise God by William Lane Craig

Pilgrim
March 19th 2003, 03:37 PM
John Adams
The Spritual autobiography of Jimmy Carter
Adolescent Spirituality by Shelton
The Way of the Heart Henri J.M. Nouwen
Current issues of The Atlantic Monthly & Newsweek
Various Archie Comics

Captain Ochre
March 19th 2003, 04:09 PM
I'm reading A Series of Unfortunate Events by Lemony Snicket. :smile:
I'm on #7 in the series, The Ersatz Elevator.

I'm not sure what's on deck. Usually I have several books going at once. I'm re-reading Lem's The Star Diaries off and on, and I'm eager to read something new by McGrath or Moreland.

I rotate between fiction, theology, and nonfiction, with a smattering of children's books tossed in to help maintain my sense of wonder.

Jaltus
March 19th 2003, 04:43 PM
I don't rotate, I read at least 3 books at the same time, not including school books.

I generally try to have one theological/spiritual and one fiction going at least. I have found that reading fiction makes me a better writer.

The Curtmudgeon
March 19th 2003, 08:45 PM
FWIW, I've started a TW on-line Journal (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/journal.php?action=view&journalid=60) which I'm basically using as a place to talk about what I'm reading (or have recently read, for starters). Like Jaltus, I generally have three or so books going on at once, although I don't necessarily try to stick to categories. Right now I've got two fiction (one adventure fiction reprint, one new fantasy) and one autobiography (Twain) going. I also read a lot of history, a little mystery (generally one a year now--whenever the newest Robert Goddard comes out!), some religion, some science and the occasional sci-fi.

Check it out (and, ahem, push my Journal to the top of the Most Views list!).

The (not that I'm immodest or anything :cool: ) Curtmudgeon

tiedyekitty
March 22nd 2003, 01:35 AM
"All the King's Men" by Robert Penn Warren and "The Bluest Eye" by Toni Morrison.
:yipee:

John Reece
March 22nd 2003, 07:25 AM
"All the King's Men" by Robert Penn Warren

That brings back memories. It was assigned reading in an American Literature class in college in 1954...

bar Jonah
March 26th 2003, 12:28 PM
03-22-2003 @ 04:25 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=42319#post42319)
John Reece:
That brings back memories. It was assigned reading in an American Literature class in college in 1954...
Schools used to assign real literature to read? :eek: Wow... how long ago was that? LOL

Yog^sothoth
March 28th 2003, 08:56 AM
The Revolutionary War by Gordon S. Wood and the Jewish Revolt (war?) by Josephus.

Followed by the Diamond Age or the new Harry Potter book if I can find a copy!

Nick:spam:

Rubia Warren
March 28th 2003, 09:47 AM
I am reading Freak's new book, "Exploring The Unknown, The Strange, And The Supernatural" by Jay Bartlett.

Ryokan
March 28th 2003, 10:03 AM
I would be curious to read freaks book, but I'd feel bad, because I suspect his "exorcism" in the long run leader to nothing but bigger therapy bills for the afflicted.

Lizard
March 28th 2003, 10:46 AM
I'm reading Chosen but Free: A Balanced View of Divine Election., by Norman Geisler

Dr.GH
March 28th 2003, 08:56 PM
My reading since December.

Jacobsen, Thorkild
1976 “The Treasures of Darkness: A History of Mesopotamian Religion” New Haven:Yale University Press

Very academic book, but Jacobsen is very academic. He is also quite sensitive to the religious experience, and recognizes that this is a powerful emotional responce which can motivate many.

Dalley, Stephanie
2000 “Myths from Mesopotamia: Creation, The Flood, Gilgamesh, and Others. Revised” Oxford: Oxford University Press

Read this to see the the best Engilsh translations of the texts that Jacobsen writes about. Her introductions and footnotes are wonderful.

Finkelstein, Israel, Neil Silberman
2001 “The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology’s New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts” New York: The Free Press

Read this last. It is the ultimate refutation of the kind of 'archaeological "proof" of the literal fraud found in Ron Wyatt, or Ralph Muncaster's piffel.

Friedman, Richarrd Elliott
1987 “Who Wrote the Bible” New York:Harper and Row (Paperback Edition)

Friedman's book is very close to a culmination of 200 years of "higher criticism," and a must read before “The Bible Unearthed: ..." I wish that Friedman had also traced the bible's origins all the way back to Mesopotamia. Instead, he stays hermetically sealed inside the biblical text. Nor does he consider the New Testement at all.

Numbers, Ronald L.
1993 “The Creationists: The Evolution of Scientific Creationism” Berkeley:University of California Press

So, where do all these creationist distortions of the Bible and of science come from? Who were the semiliterate founders of the creationist cult? Numbers is achingly fair and even handed. Every creationist needs to read this book. Numbers stops just before the appearence of the "intelligent design creationism."

Pardee, Dennis
2002 “Writings from the Ancient World Vol. 10: Ritual and Cult at Ugarit”
Atlanta:Society of Biblical Literature

Parker, Simon, et al
1997 “Writings from the Ancient World Vol. 9: Ugarit Narrative Poetry” Atlanta:Society of Biblical Literature

Too few Jews/Christians/Muslims know that the Cannanite city Ugarit is the source for much of their religion. Read Parker and Pardee to see much of the Bible in the original.

An easy read URL on Ugarit and the Bible:
http://www.theology.edu/ugarbib.htm

Spong, John Shelby
1992 "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism" New York:HarperCollins

OK, so you read the books above, and now you know that "funadamentalism" is not only a failure when dealing with scientific reality, but it is a gross distortion of the Bible, and history. What do you do now? Spong doesn't give the background like the other books I recommend, but he does give Christians a positive direction. This is to start with the teaching of Yeshua.

yxboom
March 28th 2003, 08:58 PM
I am presently and almost done reading Clark Pinnock's
Most Moved Mover
A Theology Of God's Openness

Ric
March 28th 2003, 10:47 PM
I'm reading:
ESV
NIV
NASB

Rubens
April 2nd 2003, 03:32 AM
I'm reading a book called Herodotus- The Histories but I dunno who wrote it, I can't see the author's name anywhere... oh wait, here it is..."Penguin Classics" (sounds Norwegian).

This guy sounds like a travel writer for Lonely Planet 480 B.C. He's been everywhere, including places that 'aint no more! Some great historical underpinning for the Bible, especially Daniel and co.

I'm also reading the Left Behind series. Nobody seems to mention it much on TW- are you guys ALL preterists?? I don't neccessarily agree with the eschatology of the books but they do give me a sudden urge to rush out my front door and yell "REPENT AND BE SAVED BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!"

...and that can't be a bad thing can it??

bar Jonah
April 2nd 2003, 04:18 AM
Today @ 12:32 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=50801#post50801)
Rubens:

I'm reading a book called Herodotus- The Histories but I dunno who wrote it, I can't see the author's name anywhere... oh wait, here it is..."Penguin Classics" (sounds Norwegian).

This guy sounds like a travel writer for Lonely Planet 480 B.C. He's been everywhere, including places that 'aint no more! Some great historical underpinning for the Bible, especially Daniel and co.

I'm also reading the Left Behind series. Nobody seems to mention it much on TW- are you guys ALL preterists?? I don't neccessarily agree with the eschatology of the books but they do give me a sudden urge to rush out my front door and yell "REPENT AND BE SAVED BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!"

...and that can't be a bad thing can it??
No, only a few here are preterists. Some of us are dispensationalists who realize the Left Behind series misses most of the whole point of the Tribulation -- the Jews. For some reason, the authors seem to think everything hinges on all these Gentiles, with a token Jew thrown in here and there.

I read the books when I first came to Christ. I grew out of it.

dizzle
April 2nd 2003, 10:20 AM
I think we actually have a few historicists thrown into the mix as well.

Rubens
April 3rd 2003, 02:25 AM
Righto. Jews, Gentiles, misses the point. Got it.

(Sigh) this whole Preterist vs. Dispy vs. Futurist vs.bigamist vs. pre-/post/pan trib vs. LaHaye is a looney- thing is getting me down. Can't wait until we get to heaven where no doubt most of us will be saying "OHHH... NOW I geddit!!"

I promise I too will grow out of the Left Behind series as soon as I have put them down. Then I will get back to this Herodotus fellow and read more about how Egyptian women used to pee standing up.

Trying to stick to the purpose of the thread here, has anyone read Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams?

Well, I have my own eschatological view, based on this "fictional" publication; you know how God's perfect number (& the Heptadic structure) is 7? And you know how the beast's number is 666, which is regarded as representing the trinity of evil, 6 being one less than God's perfect number?

Well, in Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy a giant super-computer is commissioned to answer the Great Question of Life, The Universe and Everything. The computer takes four and a half million years and comes up with the answer: 42.

42 is 7 x 6!! Good vs Evil!! Geddit? I think Adams is onto something here!! Step aside, LaHaye.

Thank you for letting me share.

Patroclus
April 3rd 2003, 02:26 AM
Herodotus is the author.

Lizard
April 3rd 2003, 10:34 AM
Yesterday @ 02:32 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=50801#post50801)
Rubens:

I'm reading a book called Herodotus- The Histories but I dunno who wrote it, I can't see the author's name anywhere... oh wait, here it is..."Penguin Classics" (sounds Norwegian).

This guy sounds like a travel writer for Lonely Planet 480 B.C. He's been everywhere, including places that 'aint no more! Some great historical underpinning for the Bible, especially Daniel and co.


That brings back memories. I had to read that in the original Greek in college. (Don't ask for details, that was too long ago)Very interesting read.


Today @ 01:25 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=51833#post51833)
Rubens:

Trying to stick to the purpose of the thread here, has anyone read Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams?

Well, I have my own eschatological view, based on this "fictional" publication; you know how God's perfect number (& the Heptadic structure) is 7? And you know how the beast's number is 666, which is regarded as representing the trinity of evil, 6 being one less than God's perfect number?

Well, in a giant super-computer is commissioned to answer the Great Question of Life, The Universe and Everything. The computer takes four and a half million years and comes up with the answer: 42.

42 is 7 x 6!! Good vs Evil!! Geddit? I think Adams is onto something here!! Step aside, LaHaye.

Thank you for letting me share.

HHGTTG is great :thumb:. I think you might be right about that computer. Does that mean that Marvin the robot is the beast?

GrayPilgrim
April 3rd 2003, 01:20 PM
The only thing I remember from Herodotus is the story of Gyges (its been six years adn I didn't exactly read it with a close eye to all the details.

GP

Rubens
April 4th 2003, 04:29 AM
Yesterday @ 04:26 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=#post)
Patroclus:

Herodotus is the author.

Thanks...I actually knew that, I was being flippant! Like an mild academic joke, you know, who wrote the Bible, that sort of thing.:frown:

HHGTTG is great . I think you might be right about that computer. Does that mean that Marvin the robot is the beast?

No, Marvin the Paranoid Android is possibly one of the two witnesses because he constantly states the obvious.

efta777
April 4th 2003, 04:46 AM
Currently right now I'm working my way through "The Birth of Christianity" by John Dominic Crossan; it's very interesting, though supposedly controversial (Though I don't think I've gotten to any of the really controversial stuff).
Also, whatever insanely challenging texts come up for my killer English Theory class.

John Reece
April 5th 2003, 09:00 AM
Re-reading: Jesus and the Victory of God, by N.T. Wright.

geebob
April 5th 2003, 10:13 PM
God only wise by william lane craig and Metaphysics by Michael J loux.

Metaphysics is a particularly difficult read.

AVmetro
April 6th 2003, 04:50 AM
I finished God Crucified by Richard Baukham and am now about half way finished with Robery Morey's book The Trinity, Evidence and Issues. I'd give it *** because I'll go back to it for reference. After that I plan to read James White's The Forgotten Trinity. If my wife will let me order it, Larry Hurtado's One God One Lord.

Would anyone recommend N.T. Wright's Climax of the Covenant?

dizzle
April 6th 2003, 11:05 AM
The White book is excellent. The Morey book is excellent in some points and weak in others. He makes some bad arguments for the Trinity and some very good ones. It is a mixed bag. I have only posiitve things to say about the God Crucified book, it revolutionized my Christology.

Freak
April 6th 2003, 11:26 AM
I just finished reading The Death of the West by James J. Buchanan and my recently published book, Exploring the Unknown, the Strange, and the Supernatural by me, Jay Bartlett. :eek:

dizzle
April 6th 2003, 01:19 PM
I am right now listening to "A Dangerous Mourning" a murder mystery by Anne Perry.

AVmetro
April 6th 2003, 01:23 PM
The White book is excellent. The Morey book is excellent in some points and weak in others. He makes some bad arguments for the Trinity and some very good ones. It is a mixed bag. I have only posiitve things to say about the God Crucified book, it revolutionized my Christology.

You're right about Morey. Some of the arguments are good and some are pretty bad IMHO. I have White's book but just haven't gotten around to it.

dizzle
April 6th 2003, 01:26 PM
White has some AWESOME arguments....

Patroclus
April 6th 2003, 09:06 PM
I've just finished reading Henry IV, Part I by William Shakespeare. Before that, I read Hedda Gabler by Heinrick Ibsen.

geebob
April 9th 2003, 11:49 AM
Would anyone recommend N.T. Wright's Climax of the Covenant?

I have it though I haven't read it. It's considered an important work for understanding the New Perspective on Paul.

AVmetro
April 9th 2003, 06:18 PM
Thanks. I believe I've had it recommended before, so I'll probably check it out. ;)

DanielleJoy
April 12th 2003, 09:34 PM
I'm reading The World According to Garp by John Irving until I can get my hands on some dystopia (yummy).

Rubens- THHGTTG is AWESOME!!! One of my good friends came up with the theory that 42 is the answer to the meaning of life because 7 is a prime number, other than 3 it's the first one, there are other special math concepts behind it that don't come to mind right now... and 6 is a ''perfect number,'' that is, 1,2, and 3 can be both added and multiplied to equal 6, and they are it's only divisors.

Patroclus
April 13th 2003, 09:37 PM
Actually, 2 is the first prime number.

I am reading C.S. Lewis' space trilogy right now. It is pretty good. Although, at this point I have read so much Lewis that I pretty much know what to expect. In one way, it is good because I get to focus on the story. On the other hand, it is bad because I find myself frustrated when he elaborates on the philisophical aspect because I have already read it all several times over.

DanielleJoy
April 13th 2003, 10:43 PM
When I was in elementary school, every time I pointed out to a teacher that 2 was the first prime number, or that there was an even number that was prime, b/c of 2, they just kind of shrugged me off... just like they did when I told them that there were numbers lower than zero and that you could subtract a larger number from a smaller number. So there ya go, lol.

GrayPilgrim
April 14th 2003, 12:56 AM
Yesterday @ 09:37 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=65548#post65548)
Patroclus:

Actually, 2 is the first prime number.

I am reading C.S. Lewis' space trilogy right now. It is pretty good. Although, at this point I have read so much Lewis that I pretty much know what to expect. In one way, it is good because I get to focus on the story. On the other hand, it is bad because I find myself frustrated when he elaborates on the philisophical aspect because I have already read it all several times over.

I've long been an oddball (well that went without saying but...) amongst readers of the Science Fiction Trilogy Perelandra is genreally people's favorite book, I liked it but That Hideous Strength is by far my favorite even though most people hate it (heck I'm the guy who likes to read Leviticus). All three of them took me a while to get into, but once I got into Out of the Silent Planet and That Hideous Strength I thought they were much better (probably more in Lewis' realm.

I read somewhere that it was part of a bet between Lewis and Tolkien. Leiws was supposed to tell the Gospel using science fiction and Tolkien was supposed to tell the Gospel as a western. However, Tolkien never got to the western as he was working on his History of Middle Earth and so it was a project that he never was able to finish. That would have been an interesting and wonderful read if Tolkien had applied his story telling to that format. I wonder if he would have thought it bordered to closely on allegory?

GP

Blake Reas
April 14th 2003, 01:43 AM
I have been reading a lot of Donald Bloesch lately. I have read his Doctrine of God God the Almighty, essentials of evangelical theology, and ground of certainty which is an awesome book on apologetics.

Besides that I am reading Luther's sermons on the Passion of Christ. Along with that I am reading Here I Stand a biography of Luther. Really good stuff. I read more than that but just in spurts nothing real constructive till the summer when I do nto have to worry about Finals!

By His Grace For His Glory,
Blake

djnoz
April 14th 2003, 10:20 AM
At the moment I am reading lots and lots of Iain M Banks.
I'm also working my way through Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series.

The Curtmudgeon
April 14th 2003, 03:06 PM
Today @ 09:20 AM djnoz:
I'm also working my way through Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series.

Has Jordan gotten around to deciding what his plot is going to be yet? :bonk: (That's Jordan, not djnoz, being hammered, BTW.) If he ever winds his way around enough to come up with a way of ending that durn thing, I might get the last few books and go through the whole thing to see if it makes any better sense that way, but after reading the first eight I've decided that what he really wanted to do was create the world's first grand fantasy soap opera, with no overriding plan or goal in sight.

Sorry if I've trod on toes (yours or others) with that--and just because I don't like it is no reason why you can't enjoy it--but I started that series with such high hopes that when disappointment set in, it set in hard.

The (I actually enjoyed it for the first two or three volumes) Curtmudgeon

The Curtmudgeon
April 14th 2003, 04:45 PM
By the way, I've just updated my on-line TW Journal on the books I'm reading, so if you're interested click the 'Journal' button at the top of the forum and check it out. I started the Journal before I knew about this Library thread, and anyway I can be more expansive in my comments there, which might be seen as too prolix if I did it in this general thread.

The ("Yon Cassius has a lean and hungry look; he reads too much--such men are dangerous" [Bill Shakespeare, slightly re-worded]) Curtmudgeon

dizzle
April 14th 2003, 08:31 PM
I am reading posts in a certain addictive online theology forum.

GrayPilgrim
April 14th 2003, 10:08 PM
Today @ 03:06 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=66552#post66552)
The Curtmudgeon:



Has Jordan gotten around to deciding what his plot is going to be yet? :bonk: (That's Jordan, not djnoz, being hammered, BTW.) If he ever winds his way around enough to come up with a way of ending that durn thing, I might get the last few books and go through the whole thing to see if it makes any better sense that way, but after reading the first eight I've decided that what he really wanted to do was create the world's first grand fantasy soap opera, with no overriding plan or goal in sight.

Sorry if I've trod on toes (yours or others) with that--and just because I don't like it is no reason why you can't enjoy it--but I started that series with such high hopes that when disappointment set in, it set in hard.

The (I actually enjoyed it for the first two or three volumes) Curtmudgeon


He has declared that he will rapthings up with book 12, so you might want to wait so that you can just zoom through the last 12.

djnoz
April 15th 2003, 06:52 AM
Has Jordan gotten around to deciding what his plot is going to be yet? :bonk: (That's Jordan, not djnoz, being hammered, BTW.) If he ever winds his way around enough to come up with a way of ending that durn thing, I might get the last few books and go through the whole thing to see if it makes any better sense that way, but after reading the first eight I've decided that what he really wanted to do was create the world's first grand fantasy soap opera, with no overriding plan or goal in sight.


lol @ curt :teeth: - I've been there.


He has declared that he will rapthings up with book 12, so you might want to wait so that you can just zoom through the last 12.


If you read the biography in each book, at the end it says:

'He(Robert Jordan) has been writing since 1977 and intends to continue until they nail shut his coffin.'
So don't hold your breath!

I actually gave up half way through the sixth book and so this is my second time round, starting right at the beginning. Once you start reading though, you can't stop. RJ's world is very absorbing -despite the constant Aes Sedai soap opera-ness of it. Those bits can get very tedious - before I gave up I was mostly reading the Salidar bit, which wasn't very interesting to say the least.

Having slammed the guy a bit, I uphold him for his excellent detail - the world that Jordan builds up with the series is very memorable and atmospheric, if a little clichéd ...
Another thing I like about the series is the realistic HUMAN characters - there are no pure good or evil characters. Moiraine is a leader and role model but with a hidden agenda and a bad temper.

The Curtmudgeon
April 15th 2003, 03:27 PM
Today @ 05:52 AM djnoz:
Having slammed the guy a bit, I uphold him for his excellent detail - the world that Jordan builds up with the series is very memorable and atmospheric, if a little clichéd ...
Another thing I like about the series is the realistic HUMAN characters - there are no pure good or evil characters. Moiraine is a leader and role model but with a hidden agenda and a bad temper.

I'll give you all of that--those are also the qualities that I enjoyed in the first few volumes. But what really began to grate on me as time-and-a-half went along, was that the main characters--Rand and his gang from the initial village--never seem to grow up. By volume 8, they're still screwing around and getting in each other's way because they can't seem to get away from the fact that they've known each other since they were kids, and obviously still think of each other as kids. Whatzername, the village healer, is especially bad at that. But real people who after all are growing up with each other, are actually more likely to treat each other as adults long before they really are, rather than always trying to "mother hen" their supposed best friends. Rand's always on about how he has to do everything by himself because his friends can't handle it, or can't handle the knowledge, or whatever. As I say, grating in the extreme.

Anyway, as I say, that's only one man's opinion.

The (but I was constantly screaming, "Will you please grow up!?" while reading it) Curtmudgeon

GrayPilgrim
April 15th 2003, 04:48 PM
Nyneve is nowhere near as bad as Egwene, I just want some one to bump her off or maybe a little Balefire!:argh: :argh:

djnoz
April 15th 2003, 09:08 PM
Nynaeve is a superb character. I love her, as I love Moiraine. Poor Moiraine :cry:
If Moiraine is bad, why not just kill all the Aes Sedai eh?

GrayPilgrim
April 15th 2003, 10:18 PM
To clarify, I've grown to like Nyneve. I cannot stand Egwene I think that she has turned into the consumate spoiled brat. I miss Moiraine!

jstaples4jc
April 15th 2003, 11:55 PM
Just making the rounds and thought I would comment on what books I'm currently reading. Working on two projects (while reading some Spider-Man and Daredevil comics in the middle :teeth: )
1. Three Views on the Millennium and Beyond (Various Authors)
2. Infant Baptism in the Covenant of Grace by Paul Jewett.

My two pet projects being trying to develop an eschatological position and become more familiar with covenant theology in a credobaptist perspective. (I'm a Reformed Baptist)

Just my $.04 (.02 adjusted for inflation). Very cool message board.

In His Grip,
Julie <><

GrayPilgrim
April 16th 2003, 12:26 AM
Thanks and welcome to the board :yipee:

jstaples4jc
April 16th 2003, 12:35 AM
Thankee :teeth:

Julie <><

MJCoate
April 23rd 2003, 01:10 PM
OOH! I just got my Hebrew Bible in today!:teeth: Now I will attempt to read it.:argh:

nomad
April 23rd 2003, 01:13 PM
'organizing an american conscience: CSPR, 1940-1968', fred beuttler.

and occasionally the yamaha rs7000 owner's manual.