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Cow Poke
01-10-2018, 10:39 AM
Or, did you, are you, will you.... get a flu shot.

I've been talking to some doctors lately on my hospital rounds, and it's a mixed bag.

One, in particular, told me

the flu vaccine is a 'best guess' comprised of the 3 strains they suspect will be problematic from over 300 possible strains. So you have about a 1 in 100 chance of having the "right" vaccine (or something like that)
it takes 2 weeks for your body to develop the antibodies from the flu shot, and lasts for about 3 months - so you have to encounter the flu in that time window
the flu vaccine is least effective among infants, children and the elderly - those at greatest risk - and most effective among young healthy individuals
there are apparently studies (Hugh Fudenberg, MD - I'll find and link them if somebody else doesn't) indicating that a person who has had 5 flu shots is 10 more likely to develop Alzheimer's

mikewhitney
01-10-2018, 11:12 AM
I heard one of the doctors on a radio show mention that last point. I think more specifically it was about people who got 5 flu shots or more.

The other thing on this was that so many of the vaccines are not tested for efficacy. It seems that the pharmaceutical companies would just be following some 'technique' of generating vaccines and then putting them out to the public.

Also, the polio vaccine was created at the time polio was decreasing anyhow so that we don't have statistics to show that such vaccine has contributed to the decline.

I suppose a few vaccines are effective but I would tend to minimalize exposure to the array of vaccines.

Sparko
01-10-2018, 11:27 AM
why would a flu shot cause alzheimers?

Fudenberg had his medical license yanked in 1995 so...

https://www.casewatch.org/board/med/fudenberg/1995order.shtml

rogue06
01-10-2018, 11:55 AM
there are apparently studies (Hugh Fudenberg, MD - I'll find and link them if somebody else doesn't) indicating that a person who has had 5 flu shots is 10 more likely to develop Alzheimer's

I believe the claim was that it could cause autism not Alzheimer's and the claim has been completely debunked.

That said, I probably won't get one this year since the flu going around wasn't the one anticipated and the vaccine will only offer limited protection.

Sparko
01-10-2018, 11:58 AM
I got a flu shot back in October. I get them free as part of the evil healthcare insurance we Americans are forced to live with while the rest of the world has glorious socialized healthcare. How dare they give me free flu shots? They are trying to give me Alzhiemer's!!!

One Bad Pig
01-10-2018, 12:02 PM
I heard one of the doctors on a radio show mention that last point. I think more specifically it was about people who got 5 flu shots or more.

The other thing on this was that so many of the vaccines are not tested for efficacy. It seems that the pharmaceutical companies would just be following some 'technique' of generating vaccines and then putting them out to the public.

Also, the polio vaccine was created at the time polio was decreasing anyhow so that we don't have statistics to show that such vaccine has contributed to the decline.

I suppose a few vaccines are effective but I would tend to minimalize exposure to the array of vaccines.
The polio vaccine was absolutely helpful. Polio is still around today, in places where they don't vaccinate. Smallpox is completely gone (except for some laboratory samples) due to vaccination. I am quite certain that vaccines are not released for sale without being tested first. It is very, very expensive to get something like that approved for use. The flu shot is inherently different because each strain requires a different vaccination, and there are so many strains.

As for the OP: I never get a flu shot; haven't had the flu in years. IIRC the efficacy for those are around 50-60% instead of 1 in 100, because they're fairly good at predicting which strains will be problematic. Infants, children, and the elderly have weaker immune systems than young healthy adults, so they're more likely to catch (and suffer more adversely from) the flu; while it may not be quite as effective among them, they're the ones who need it most, and are most likely to benefit from it.

My $0.02

rogue06
01-10-2018, 12:04 PM
I got a flu shot back in October. I get them free as part of the evil healthcare insurance we Americans are forced to live with while the rest of the world has glorious socialized healthcare. How dare they give me free flu shots? They are trying to give me Alzhiemer's!!!
My company offered free flu shots last year -- but only to employees who got their health insurance through them. I got my insurance through them this past autumn but this year they aren't offering free flu shots.

I'm sure it's some dark, insidious Canuckistani plot.

mossrose
01-10-2018, 01:06 PM
Mr. mossy and I never got flu shots until he had his heart surgery in 2013. It was recommended that we both get one that year as he was more susceptible. MelMak has had one every year they've offered them since he started working (about 20 years ago), because he works with the public all the time.

We have continued to get the shot every October. I think the first year I had to pay for mine, as I wasn't 65 yet (i'm still not! :brood:), and he got his for free because he was over 65.

But the shot has been offered freely to all for the subsequent years. Available at doctor's offices, health clinics and pharmacies. We are careful to keep our hands clean after being out in public* and none of us has had flu for quite a number of years, even before we starting getting the shots. So I don't know if the flu shot helps or not.

















































































*I wash my hands constantly. If I open the front door to grab the mail out of the mailbox I have to wash my hands. If I go for a walk and the only thing I've touched is my own house door handle and my cane I have to wash my hands.

Got horrible dry hands. But no flu!#






























#If I get flu now I won't know the reason why.

Cow Poke
01-10-2018, 01:59 PM
I just heard that the best prevention for the flu is dark chocolate!

mossrose
01-10-2018, 02:03 PM
I just heard that the best prevention for the flu is dark chocolate!

THAT'S why I haven't been flu-y for so long!

rogue06
01-10-2018, 02:13 PM
#If I get flu now I won't know the reason why.




I'm sure it's some dark, insidious Canuckistani plot.

'nuff said.

Jedidiah
01-10-2018, 03:15 PM
I have had flu shots several of the past years, but not all. I never got the flu during any year, shot or not.

hedrick
01-10-2018, 04:52 PM
I'd be interested in evidence on Alzheimer's. This study suggests that immunizations might somewhat decrease the risk: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC81665/

Juvenal
01-10-2018, 05:23 PM
Or, did you, are you, will you.... get a flu shot.

I've been talking to some doctors lately on my hospital rounds, and it's a mixed bag.

Teh awesomeness is contagious.


the flu vaccine is a 'best guess' comprised of the 3 strains they suspect will be problematic from over 300 possible strains. So you have about a 1 in 100 chance of having the "right" vaccine (or something like that)

Did I ever tell you about the student who argued for a better grade by proving he couldn't do weighted averages? Not all strains are equally likely.


it takes 2 weeks for your body to develop the antibodies from the flu shot, and lasts for about 3 months - so you have to encounter the flu in that time window

They call it "flu season." And you have to get another shot every year, because this year's likeliest strains are not next year's likeliest strains.


the flu vaccine is least effective among infants, children and the elderly - those at greatest risk - and most effective among young healthy individuals

Comparing incidence rates between those most and least susceptible doesn't say anything at all about effectiveness among the most susceptible. Did I ever tell you about the student who argued for a better grade by proving he couldn't do weighted averages?


there are apparently studies (Hugh Fudenberg, MD - I'll find and link them if somebody else doesn't) indicating that a person who has had 5 flu shots is 10 more likely to develop Alzheimer's

I read that study, but that's not the worst of it: flu shots also lead to dancing.

Cow Poke
01-10-2018, 05:33 PM
Teh awesomeness is contagious.


the flu vaccine is a 'best guess' comprised of the 3 strains they suspect will be problematic from over 300 possible strains. So you have about a 1 in 100 chance of having the "right" vaccine (or something like that)

Did I ever tell you about the student who argued for a better grade by proving he couldn't do weighted averages? Not all strains are equally likely.


it takes 2 weeks for your body to develop the antibodies from the flu shot, and lasts for about 3 months - so you have to encounter the flu in that time window

They call it "flu season." And you have to get another shot every year, because this year's likeliest strains are not next year's likeliest strains.


the flu vaccine is least effective among infants, children and the elderly - those at greatest risk - and most effective among young healthy individuals

Comparing incidence rates between those most and least susceptible doesn't say anything at all about effectiveness among the most susceptible. Did I ever tell you about the student who argued for a better grade by proving he couldn't do weighted averages?


there are apparently studies (Hugh Fudenberg, MD - I'll find and link them if somebody else doesn't) indicating that a person who has had 5 flu shots is 10 more likely to develop Alzheimer's

I read that study, but that's not the worst of it: flu shots also lead to dancing.

I'm not arguing either side - I'm just asking for input - I'm thinking about getting the flu shot and pneumonia vaccine tomorrow.

mossrose
01-10-2018, 05:44 PM
I'm not arguing either side - I'm just asking for input - I'm thinking about getting the flu shot and pneumonia vaccine tomorrow.

You should have got it last fall. Although maybe that's only for us northerners.

But you should definitely get the pneumonia shot.

I can't get it until I'm 65.

Cow Poke
01-10-2018, 05:46 PM
You should have got it last fall. Although maybe that's only for us northerners.

But you should definitely get the pneumonia shot.

I can't get it until I'm 65.

I won't be 65 til end of summer. Just talked to one of the ER docs - he says he thinks that flu has really peaked in our area. Fewer and fewer cases every day. Statistically, not just anecdotally.

mossrose
01-10-2018, 05:59 PM
I won't be 65 til end of summer. Just talked to one of the ER docs - he says he thinks that flu has really peaked in our area. Fewer and fewer cases every day. Statistically, not just anecdotally.


There are more and more cases here. Several fatalities among older folk.

I can get my pneumonia shot in '19.

Juvenal
01-10-2018, 07:43 PM
I'm not arguing either side - I'm just asking for input - I'm thinking about getting the flu shot and pneumonia vaccine tomorrow.

I think there's little personal benefit to getting your shots this late in the season. But seeing as your position puts you in contact with folks who are most at risk (I know pastors do a lot of hospital visits), I'd say yes, anyway. Lowering the risk of getting it lowers the risk of passing it on. Everyone getting a flu shot contributes to herd immunity. But to be honest, I'm not going to be getting a flu shot any time soon. Then again, I work with folks who are least at risk.

Littlejoe
01-10-2018, 07:46 PM
I've never had a flu shot and I haven't had the flu in over 30 years...I see no reason to start getting one now. :shrug:

KingsGambit
01-10-2018, 08:01 PM
I wish I'd had the chance to get one this year, because I was sick for 2-3 weeks with what I suspect may have been a mild case. (I was able to work through it so who knows.)

NorrinRadd
01-11-2018, 12:31 AM
I don't bother with flu shots.

Here (http://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?i=79A83A1A3822) is a mixture of interesting info, along with what some would consider "woo."

Cow Poke
01-11-2018, 06:50 AM
I think there's little personal benefit to getting your shots this late in the season. But seeing as your position puts you in contact with folks who are most at risk (I know pastors do a lot of hospital visits), I'd say yes, anyway.

That's a main factor. And I make absolutely sure to avail myself of the myriad of hand sanitation devices all up and down the hallways of hospitals and nursing homes, both entering and leaving. There were a couple of Sunday mornings at church when I thought I might be a bit feverish or 'coming down' with something that I'd announce from the pulpit "let's just do 'air hugs' today", explaining I didn't want us to spread illness.


Lowering the risk of getting it lowers the risk of passing it on. Everyone getting a flu shot contributes to herd immunity. But to be honest, I'm not going to be getting a flu shot any time soon. Then again, I work with folks who are least at risk.

:thumb:

Sparko
01-11-2018, 09:12 AM
I wish I'd had the chance to get one this year, because I was sick for 2-3 weeks with what I suspect may have been a mild case. (I was able to work through it so who knows.)

Great, so you spread the flu around via the US mail.

thewriteranon
01-11-2018, 01:01 PM
Even if you still get the flu after getting the flu shot (it was a slightly different strain or you got the flu months after getting the shot), I've heard your body is still much better prepared to fight it than if you didn't get the shot, so a week long illness without the vaccine becomes a 3-4 illness with milder symptoms with the vaccine.

I got sick this week with either a really nasty cold or a very mild flu. If it was the flu, I only ran a 100.4 fever for less than 12 hours (plus some respiratory nastiness the day before and now, though subsiding) instead of whatever nightmare a flu without being vaccinated would have brought.