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BibleWheel
January 14th 2004, 01:09 PM
I introduced my discovery of the Bible Wheel in a thread called Sevenfold Symmetric Perfection of God's Word. Here is the link:

http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17165

I would now like to show how the Wheel is part of the vision of the Whole Bible given in Zechariah. Here is the vision given in Zechariah 4:

And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep, 2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: 3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof. 4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?

The symbols and types in the Bible typically have many applications. The Two Olive Trees are no different. We know that God used Two Olive Trees in Romans 11 as symbols of the Jewish and Christian Believers. This naturally corresponds to the Old and New Testaments, and the ideas of Law and Grace. The symbols coherently overlap.

There are many reasons to believe the Two Olive Trees are the Two Testaments, and many believers have understood them as such, going back to the Venerable Bede who wrote around the year 710 AD. This doesn't mean that they could not also represent two literal people that bear witness to God.

There are many reasons to think the Scriptures are in view in this prophecy. Jesus says the Scriptures testify of Him (John 5.39) - and that is the meaning of Testament. In Zecahriah's vision, the Two Olive Trees feed the Menorah, which represents God's Word, both figuratively and literally, as shown below. When Zechariah asked the angel to explain the vision, he was told "THIS IS THE WORD OF THE LORD to Zerubbabel" which certainly could mean that the vision itself was a vision of God's Word. The objection that the Bible could not "die" is answered in silencing of the Biblical witness when it was not available in the common language of the people.

Attached is an image of my interpretation of the Vision given to Zechariah. I believe the Bowl (Hb. Gulah) above the Menorah corresponds to the representation of the whole Bible in the form of the Wheel (Hb. Galgal). The Two Olive Trees (Testaments) pour their Oil (Inspired Books) into the Golden Bowl (Wheel) which reveals the sevenfold symmetric perfection of the Christian Canon. The Books in the seven divisions are then poured through Seven Golden Pipes into the Seven Lamps of the Menorah to enlighten the whole world with the Light of God's Word. The number of books on each pair of arms alphanumerically spells the word Tehilah, which means PRAISE. A full explanation is available on my site:

http://www.BibleWheel.com/Wheel/Capstone.asp

Note that ever detail of the prophecy is integrated with perfect grace.

Thoughts? Comments?

In service of Christ, the Everlasting Word,
Richard A. McGough

kofh2u
January 15th 2004, 12:12 AM
How did you post this really neat representation?

BibleWheel
January 15th 2004, 02:49 AM
Today @ 04:12 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=379267#post379267)
kofh2u:

How did you post this really neat representation?

Yes indeed, Zech is great! Though almost every book in the Bible is my favorite, Zechariah is my favorite of favorites.

I just upoaded the image using the "attach file" function. You could probably do the same thing with an image tag.

So what do you think? Does the image fit the prophecy?

Richard

kofh2u
January 15th 2004, 04:11 PM
How did you post this really neat representation? html or what?

kofh2u
January 15th 2004, 07:09 PM
Many things in Revelation support the symbolism in Zechariah.

Your graphic is very similar to one I have put together. I love what you did in this picture. My own is actually a hand drawn sketch which is part of one of my booklet like publications. In the particular booklet which uses this graphic much is confirmed about the meaning of the symbolism. It helos support insights into Ezekiel 1 & 10, the four faced beast stuff, and also the meaning and symbolism of Ez 37, the dry bones.

There is hardly enough space here to respond to your questiin, "What do I think"... about the symvokism. I do say that you represented the basic symbolism Zechariah expressed, and, yes the two testaments is both his correct induendo and, yes, that would be prophetic in that in his time, there was only one.

BibleWheel
January 15th 2004, 07:24 PM
Today @ 11:09 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=380892#post380892)
kofh2u:

Many things in Revelation support the symbolism in Zechariah.

Your graphic is very similar to one I have put together. I love what you did in this picture. My own is actually a hand drawn sketch which is part of one of my booklet like publications. In the particular booklet which uses this graphic much is confirmed about the meaning of the symbolism. It helos support insights into Ezekiel 1 & 10, the four faced beast stuff, and also the meaning and symbolism of Ez 37, the dry bones.

There is hardly enough space here to respond to your questiin, "What do I think"... about the symvokism. I do say that you represented the basic symbolism Zechariah expressed, and, yes the two testaments is both his correct induendo and, yes, that would be prophetic in that in his time, there was only one.

It would be great to see your drawing. Perhaps you could scan it in? You really got me curious - how close is your drawing to mine? Did you associate the seven canonical divisions like I did? How did you interpret the Golden Bowl?

I am also very curious about your interpretation of Ezekiel 1 and 10. I have some strong intuitions, but I have not recongnized the full integration with the Bible Wheel as yet. I would appreciate any insight you might have.

Richard

BibleWheel
January 15th 2004, 07:26 PM
Today @ 08:11 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=380438#post380438)
kofh2u:

How did you post this really neat representation? html or what?

There's a button on the Post Reply page (where I am writing this response rigtht now) that says "Attach File." Just click the "Browse" button by it and select the image you want to display.

Richard

kofh2u
January 22nd 2004, 06:12 PM
Your wheel has a symbolic connection with "the wheel within the wheel" mentioned by Ezekiel. No one has never given a sensible and rational interpretation to Ezekiel's description of those Cherubim in chapters 1 & 10..

That two whole chapters of a major prophet have gone unanswered by church or literary critic has great significance. Without ANY present hypothesis, what I look forward to presenting can hardly be protested on t
e ba is of a heresay or counter the wisdom of the ages during the last 3500 years.

Sure! People who rest upon the laurels of their own assumed superiority in other interpretations already founded,... doctrines of churches WITHOUT Ezekiel in their scheme of explanations,...

.... yes,... for sure,.. they can discount these strange "beasts" as merely inconsequental phenomena, symbolism of unearthly things,... ...whatever they might come up with.

But, how do they explain the reappearance and dominance of these four beast in Revelation, chapter 4? Again, they have a distinct prominence in Rev 5. They are mention again in the rapture if Rev chapter 7. They appear even thereafter.

That these spiritual creatures, each having four different faces upon one head, have never been incorporated in the schmata of any church's doctrine,...
.... and that they re-appear in Revelation,
.... that what I have to say about them is tied into your own insight of the wheel symbolism of Zachariah, which you have brought to our attention...
... that they are specifically standing upon the Mercy Seat over the Ark, in the Most Holy of Holies...
AND...
...that they are concerned with the unexplained, even unnoticed importance of that "fan" Jesus had in his hand, (Matthew 3:12/Lu 3:17)...
... and, that it concerns the essence of the Seven Stars, again seven, in "His right hand"... (Rev 1:16,20)...well...

Well, I think what I have to tell you ought be expressed more personally than here.

Although these boards are wonderful, I see the way you have ben treated,... the immediate criticism and the eagarness to discount the possibility of an important augmentation to what we think we already undertand...
As Jesus said, speaking in stories, analogies, and parallels about the Kingdom is dandy for the salt of the earth. But for now, I think in secret, by e-mail, that I would perfer for you to see what this about.

Does your website have an e-mail contact address to which I can send the graphics?