why should a jewish faith effect me?

[ryukyuk]

I am
A. NOT JEWISH
B. NOT HEBREW

So messiah or not why should a jewish/hebrew faith effect me?

[Ishmael]

That's a pretty broad question but I will answer from my perspective. Judahism should not effect you. Christianity is specifically oriented to affect you and all other nations and tribes and classes of the world (1 Timothy 2:1-7). God is including all races, classes and tribes into his New Covenant.

1 Timothy 2
1I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone-- 2for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men--the testimony given in its proper time. 7And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.

[ryukyuk]

So in effect god had to lie cuz he made a covenant with the jews through avriham that would be passed down through his seed physcially and his children and his childrens children or did god just mean this to be only a few of his decendants I am pretty sure he meant ALL of them but that is just me so according to what i see you cant just change all that due to one man. And the one man was a special man according to dan 12:1 which is why mabe the jews didnt accept him as messiah

[Ishmael]

03-09-2003 @ 01:29 AM
ryukyuk:

So in effect god had to lie cuz he made a covenant with the jews through avriham that would be passed down through his seed physcially and his children and his childrens children or did god just mean this to be only a few of his decendants I am pretty sure he meant ALL of them but that is just me so according to what i see you cant just change all that due to one man. And the one man was a special man according to dan 12:1 which is why mabe the jews didnt accept him as messiah

1. You need to be a little bit more coherant.

2. I think you just refuted yourself.

3. What's your point of this thread?

[ryukyuk]

My point is i am not christain so if anything was refuted then it is your religion from your book

[Ishmael]

03-09-2003 @ 01:44 AM
ryukyuk:

My point is i am not christain so if anything was refuted then it is your religion from your book

??? Huh ???

You haven't refuted anything but you have proven that you make no sense. It's a start I suppose.

[Gavin]

Dear ryukyuk:

Thanks for your post.

You said:

I am
A. NOT JEWISH
B. NOT HEBREW

So messiah or not why should a jewish/hebrew faith effect me?
My answer as a Christian is this - the whole world is going to be affected by the Jewish race, because through the Jews the messiah Jesus comes (cf. John 4, "salvation is of the Jews"), and Jesus is the savior of the whole world.

God promised Abraham "all peoples on earth will be blessed through you" (Genesis 12:1).

This promise came to fruition in Jesus (cf. Galatians 3).

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Basically, the Christian view is that you, ryukyuk, are a sinner and accountable to your Creator for that sin, as is the whole world. And salvation from that sin (whether you are a Jew or a Gentile or a Hindu) is found only in Jesus Christ, the Jewish messiah.

Does that clear it up?

Your friend,
Gavin

[Sozo]

03-10-2003 @ 02:09 PM
Calvinist:



??? Huh ???

You haven't refuted anything but you have proven that you make no sense. It's a start I suppose.


Thanks for making me laugh today Calv! Hilarious!!
:rofl:

[Jaltus]

So in effect god had to lie cuz he made a covenant with the jews through avriham that would be passed down through his seed physcially and his children and his childrens children or did god just mean this to be only a few of his decendants I am pretty sure he meant ALL of them but that is just me so according to what i see you cant just change all that due to one man. And the one man was a special man according to dan 12:1 which is why mabe the jews didnt accept him as messiah

Let me quote a rabbi to you:

Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise. What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one. Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


That rabbi's name is Paul, the writing is Galatians 3:15-29.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Good post Jaltus!!

[Pilgrim]

Indeed, an excellent post.