‘Christian Terrorists’

[Aseity]

Anti-Abortionist Calls for Violence, Says It Is Religious Duty
By Dean Schabner
ABCNEWS.com
Jan 22— An anti-abortion activist, calling for a new wave of violence against clinics and doctors, is following the example of violent Islamic fundamentalists, telling those who share his views to become "Christian terrorists" and promising them a reward in Heaven.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/US/WorldNewsTonight/antiabortion_violence_040122.html

Is this scary or what?

[apostate]

fortunately, he's the exception, not the rule. But that doesn't make it any less frightning.

[Clay]

There are radicals in all religions. Sad, but true.

[Jude3b]

Roman Catholicism is the real Christian Terrorist. Look at historical facts: Concerning the Inhuman Inquisition: So openly corrupt did the fallen Roman Catholic church become in the Middle Ages, than many rose up in protest. Many were those noble souls who rejected the false claims of the pope, looking instead to the Lord Jesus for salvation and truth. These were called "heretics" and were bitterly persecuted by the Roman Catholic church. One of the documents that the Roman Catholic Terrorists use to order persecutions was the inhuman "Ad exstirpanda" issued by Pope Innocent IV in 1252. This document stated that heretics were to be "crushed like venomous snakes." It formally approved the use of torture by the Roman Catholic terrorists. Civil authorities were ordered to burn heretics.
How can anyone remain a Roman Catholic who discovers the historical facts about this fallen religion?
Sincerely, Jude3b

[Eyeheart Pumpkin]

Roman Catholicism is the real Christian Terrorist. Look at historical facts: Concerning the Inhuman Inquisition: So openly corrupt did the fallen Roman Catholic church become in the Middle Ages, than many rose up in protest. Many were those noble souls who rejected the false claims of the pope, looking instead to the Lord Jesus for salvation and truth. These were called "heretics" and were bitterly persecuted by the Roman Catholic church. One of the documents that the Roman Catholic Terrorists use to order persecutions was the inhuman "Ad exstirpanda" issued by Pope Innocent IV in 1252. This document stated that heretics were to be "crushed like venomous snakes." It formally approved the use of torture by the Roman Catholic terrorists. Civil authorities were ordered to burn heretics.
How can anyone remain a Roman Catholic who discovers the historical facts about this fallen religion?
Sincerely, Jude3b
Don't forget that a pretty significant part of the Inquisition, especially in its later stages, was carried out by Protestants, especially in Germany. When it came to burning, torturing, stealing from, murdering witches and heretics in the late middle ages, Catholics and Protestants wore the same hat. Just think of the Salem witch trials, for instance -- those weren't Catholics.

[Aseity]

Don't forget that a pretty significant part of the Inquisition, especially in its later stages, was carried out by Protestants, especially in Germany. When it came to burning, torturing, stealing from, murdering witches and heretics in the late middle ages, Catholics and Protestants wore the same hat. Just think of the Salem witch trials, for instance -- those weren't Catholics.

>>>Don't forget that a pretty significant part of the Inquisition, especially in its later stages, was carried out by Protestants, especially in Germany.<<<

No it was not! Who told you that? You need to study up some more on the Inquisition and your history. No wonder you are a pagan, you have been studing lies. You are not a witch by any chance? If you are, here is some very serious information for you:
Witchcraft, or Wicca, is a form of neo-Paganism. It is officially recognized as a religion by the U.S. government.
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/w02.html

In the meantime, have a read of this:
Christians are hypocrites! Look at the Crusades & Inquisition!
Ever since the Roman Catholic leadership decided to kill Moslems and Jews for the glory of Rome, Christians have had to face daily reminders of the injustices perpetrated by people in the name of Christian religion. And even when these two atrocities aren’t mentioned, believers nevertheless face the accusation that the church is filled with hypocrites. How can we respond?
http://christianstudy.homestead.com/files/classes/defending_the_faith/lesson13.htm

And here is some information about:
Roman Catholicism
http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/topic/romancatholic.html

[Eyeheart Pumpkin]

>>>Don't forget that a pretty significant part of the Inquisition, especially in its later stages, was carried out by Protestants, especially in Germany.<<<

No it was not! Who told you that? You need to study up some more on the Inquisition and your history. No wonder you are a pagan, you have been studing lies. You are not a witch by any chance? If you are, here is some very serious information for you:
Witchcraft, or Wicca, is a form of neo-Paganism. It is officially recognized as a religion by the U.S. government.
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/w02.html
I'm sorry, were you trying to make a point with this? Trust me, there is literally nothing you can tell me about Wicca and paganism that I don't already know. I've been a practitioner for nearly three decades. I'm not one of those who buys into the historical revisions of Gerald Gardner and the modern "fluffy bunny" wannabes. I'm not one of those who cries out about 9 million witches being killed in the Inquisition, when 9 million PEOPLE weren't killed in the inquisition and Crusades combined! In truth, the number of people who were killed for the heresy of witchcraft were only a few hundred, probably no more than a couple thousand, and of those, the number who actually did practice some kind of tribal or paleopagan religion were only a handful. But I never made any such claim. I simply said that protestants were right there in the mix with the gleeful commission of crimes during the latter part of the Inquisition. Some of the killings in Germany were carried out by Lutheran protestants, just as most of those in America (there weren't many killings of "witches", and NONE were burned, but they were rather gleeful in their dire pursuit of Quakers and even Baptists) were carried out by Puritan protestants. I dare say that you need to be further educated. You might find this an interesting read:

http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ247.HTM

Just a tidbit from that piece:
Multitudes of Non-Conformists fled from Ireland and England to America; . . . What is amazing is the fact that, after such experiences, those fugitives did not learn the lesson of toleration, and did not grant to those who differed . . . freedom . . . When they found themselves in a position to persecute, they tried to outdo what they had endured . . . Among those whom they attacked was . . . the Society of Friends, otherwise known as Quakers.

(Stoddard, 207)

In Massachusetts, for successive convictions, a Quaker would suffer the loss of one ear and then the other, the boring of the tongue with a hot iron, and sometimes eventually death. In Boston three Quaker men and one woman were hanged. Baptist Roger Williams was banished from Massachusetts in 1635 and founded tolerant Rhode Island (Stoddard, 208).


In the meantime, have a read of this:
Christians are hypocrites! Look at the Crusades & Inquisition!
Ever since the Roman Catholic leadership decided to kill Moslems and Jews for the glory of Rome, Christians have had to face daily reminders of the injustices perpetrated by people in the name of Christian religion. And even when these two atrocities aren’t mentioned, believers nevertheless face the accusation that the church is filled with hypocrites. How can we respond?
http://christianstudy.homestead.com/files/classes/defending_the_faith/lesson13.htm
Again, were you trying to make a point? If so, it is about as clear as mud. In the link you provided, there was not one single word to suggest that Protestants had no hand in the atrocities of the time of the Inquisition. Bear in mind, the Inquisition lasted all the way up until the early 20th century in some places (Russia, I believe, was still recording the killing of heretics in the early 1900s, although I may be misrembering the country). It did not end with the decline in Catholic participation.


And here is some information about:
Roman Catholicism
http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/topic/romancatholic.html
And once again, your point?

[Aseity]

>>>Eireann
The Silent "R"

And once again, your point?<<<

Easy, unless you *REPENT* you shall perish and burn in the Lake of Fire for the witch you are. Forever.

In the meantime study your history properly, as you are still deadly wrong.

Unless God has chosen you as one of His people, as one of His Elect, before the very foundations of the world, you are a dead person a walkin' and are among the damned already!

You evil wicked sinful person. The wages of sin is *DEATH* and your appointment with death cannot be stopped or put off for a rainy day. There are no magical spells you can cast to ward off death. Then your appointment with God. Awesome(fear and dread).

[Eyeheart Pumpkin]

>>>Eireann
The Silent "R"

And once again, your point?<<<

Easy, unless you *REPENT* you shall perish and burn in the Lake of Fire for the witch you are. Forever.
Nice tangent, but what does it have to do with the fact that the Protestants engaged in violent and bloody inquisition just as the Catholics did? You wouldn't be trying to steer the conversation away from facts you are uncomfortable confronting, would you? tsk, tsk.


In the meantime study your history properly, as you are still deadly wrong.
Nice assertion. Care to back it up? I provided you with a link that pretty well shows some of the blood-soaked history of protestantism. Care to comment? Sorry, you're going to have to do better than simply asserting that things never happened. That's kind of like white supremists saying the Holocaust never happened, don't you think?


Unless God has chosen you as one of His people, as one of His Elect, before the very foundations of the world, you are a dead person a walkin' and are among the damned already!

You evil wicked sinful person. The wages of sin is *DEATH* and your appointment with death cannot be stopped or put off for a rainy day. There are no magical spells you can cast to ward off death. Then your appointment with God. Awesome(fear and dread).
Don't like being challenged, eh? Are you enjoying your rant?

[Rev John Hansen]

Persecutions under Protestantism: It is true that some protestant sects have persecuted Bible believing Christians throughout history. But nothing compared to what Rome has done. Persecution under denominationalism is to be expected since Romanism is the "MOTHER of HARLOTS". The true church of God that we read about in the Bible is not a denomination, it is not a sect. The true Bible church of God is the Body of Christ, made up of every blood washed one.

[spl_cadet]

Persecutions under Protestantism: It is true that some protestant sects have persecuted Bible believing Christians throughout history. But nothing compared to what Rome has done.

Oh, I'd say England and Geneva were rather worse than what the Catholic Church did.



Persecution under denominationalism is to be expected since Romanism is the "MOTHER of HARLOTS".

To quote rhart: (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=381853&postcount=75)


First I will avoid Catholic History and track it to present. There is alot that might offend my Catholic brothers and I am certain I can prove you wrong in scripture without it.

The word "Babylon" is used 283 times in the Bible and is only once symbolic (Rev 17:5). Many do not believe in a future literal Babylon and argue that it is ruins today and will be forever, and that the Babylon on Rev 18 the same as the one in 17.

There will be a literal Babylon that is destroyed under the seventh vile (Rev 16:19), for no earthquake will destroy a religious system. All other cities destroyed by earthquake were literal cities so it will be with this Babylon.

Babylon will be overthrown as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah (Is 13:19; Jer 50:40). This judgement has never been fufilled by God in "one hour" (Rev 18).

Literal Babylon is definitely is the subject of Rev:17-21 and 18:1-24. Mystical Babylon is another subject inserted between these two passages, a parenthetical one to explain the religious aspect of Babylon.

The fact that the great harlot is called Mystery Babylon proves a connection with Literal Babylon. (Rev 17:5)

Literal Babylon is the site of the first great rebellion against God after the flood of Noah (Gen 11) and it will be the site of the last ( Rev 14:8; 16:17-21; 18:1-24). Literal Babylon is always associated with demon religions and idolatry in scipture (Is 21:9; 47:9-10; Rev 18:2-3, 23). Many prophecies concerning Literal Babylon in both OT/NT are yet unfilled (Is 13:1-22; 14:1-27; 43:14; 471-15; 48:20; Jer 50-51; Zech. 5:5-11; Rev 14:8; 16:17-21; 18:1-24). On the otherhand, the city of Rome is not once mentioned in any prophecy, fufilled or unfulfilled. Of all the empires taking part in the time of the Gentiles, the capitol city of just one (Babylon) is mentioned with a latter day fulfillment. Memphis, Ninevah, Shushan, Rome, Ect. are all ignored in prophecy, while the capitol city Babylon is mentioned repeatedly (See last group of Verses). Literal Babylon is the only city in scripture called "Lady of the Kingdoms" (Is 47:5, 7). Babylon is the only city of these last days that will be headquarters for every demon and unclean spirit ( Rev 18:2). Babylon is the only city named making all the nations drunk with the wine of her fornication ( Rev 18:3). The Great harlot is the other Babylon causing nations to be drunk with the wine of her fornication, so the reference must be to the same city-Mystery Babylon being the religious aspect of Literal Babylon (Rev 17:2). Babylon is the only city to be the center of sorceries, enchantments, ect. (rev 18:23; Isa. 47:9-10, 12-13). Rome could not take Babylon's place in this. Babylon is the only named city singled out as the object of God's wrath and plagues (Rev 16:19; 18:4,6). If it was to be Rome it surely would have been called by name. Rome was as well know as Babylon at the time John wrote Revelations. The absence of "Rome" is by no accident. God never leaves us in doubt to the meaning of His revelation. Babylon is the only city that God commands his people to come out of, in his last days (Rev 18:4; Jer. 50:4-9; 51:4-8, 45). The application is out of scripture. Babylon is the only city named which is to be judged in the last days for martyrdoms (Rev 18:24). Since both Mystery and Literal Babylons martyr the saints there must be a relationship. These two cities, being guilty of the same and so distant apart would be reffered to not only once in Revelation 18:24.

What religion is symbolized by the great harlot with headquarters in Babylon? Could it be apostate Christendom in Babylon? This is possible, but not probable, due to the fact that the religion predicted is anti-Christian.

Anyway, I could go on a while. I hope this is enough to chew on. Please, post if more is needed. If you want I will E-mail the history on this as well. I also can give much more about the Literal Babylon that may help as well.

Beyond the written proof above, I the writer believe in a pre-trib. Therefore, the events in Rev 4-22 must be hereafter.

It cannot be denied that RCC is basically a Christian religion with a firm faith in God, Christ, the Holy Spirit, virgin birth, death, burial, ressurection and ascension of Jesus Christ to sit at the right hand of God, the blood atonement for sins, the forgiveness of sins by God through Jesus Christ and other basic Christian doctrines. They would have to give all this up to be the religious system of Rev 17 and we have NO PROOF this will ever happen. We are to submit ourselves one to another which may mean that we don't agree.



The true church of God that we read about in the Bible is not a denomination, it is not a sect. The true Bible church of God is the Body of Christ, made up of every blood washed one.

The Body of Christ just so happens to be the Catholic Church. Christ founded a visible Church, not an invisible one.

[Jin-Roh]

Wow. This is the second time in a few minutes that I feel that I have to follow up cadet in a defense of Catholicism.

I don't think I can add much (since this is his territory anyway), but isn't labeling the RCC as a terrorist Christian church a little bit of a ludicirus generalization? I might as well declare all Russia as a barbarous nation becuase that nation's history has a pattern of such.

I thinking, mabye things like early universities in Europe, the first major mission movement in asia, or the fact that even while abuse was happening in Latin America there where voices within catholicism that where speaking out against it should be mentioned and dealt with before we declare the RCC as the big evil Christian Crusader church.