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Christian3
09-13-2018, 10:04 AM
What language was Jesus speaking when He said this?

Thanks.

thewriteranon
09-13-2018, 10:26 AM
Aramaic

Christian3
09-13-2018, 11:29 AM
Aramaic

The reason I am asking is that a Muslim thinks Jesus called out for ALLAHA.

thewriteranon
09-13-2018, 11:46 AM
I don't know Aramaic, but from what I understand about Aramaic, it's possible that the word for God is cognate with the Arabic, as they are related languages. In the end it shouldn't matter, because Jesus was speaking the normal Aramaic word for God (and Arabic-speaking Christians, such as those in my own Antiochian jurisdiction, use the word "Allah"), but I know that won't matter to a Muslim.

Cow Poke
09-13-2018, 11:59 AM
“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matt. 27:46, KJV).

If Jesus was referring to Psalm 22:1, some scholars believe He was using a transliteration of both Aramaic and Hebrew.

In either case, the Psalm is most certainly about the real God, and not Allah.

thewriteranon
09-13-2018, 12:00 PM
“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matt. 27:46, KJV).

If Jesus was referring to Psalm 22:1, some scholars believe He was using a transliteration of both Aramaic and Hebrew.

In either case, the Psalm is most certainly about the real God, and not Allah.

While I agree with you, and I agree that the Muslim concept of Allah is not the Judeo-Christian God, I emphasize again that Arabic-speaking Christians use the word "Allah" since it is the generic word for God in Arabic.

Cow Poke
09-13-2018, 12:01 PM
While I agree with you, and I agree that the Muslim concept of Allah is not the Judeo-Christian God, I emphasize again that Arabic-speaking Christians use the word "Allah" since it is the generic word for God in Arabic.

yes

One Bad Pig
09-13-2018, 12:30 PM
The reason I am asking is that a Muslim thinks Jesus called out for ALLAHA.
Couldn't be. Even if you stretch "Eli/Eloi" to "Allah", the Allah of Islam only responds to prayers in Arabic - and the rest of his statement could not be considered Arabic.

Christian3
09-13-2018, 03:02 PM
While I agree with you, and I agree that the Muslim concept of Allah is not the Judeo-Christian God, I emphasize again that Arabic-speaking Christians use the word "Allah" since it is the generic word for God in Arabic.

Arab Jews and Christians do say Allah when referring to God but that is only because they speak Arabic. They do not have the same conception of God as Muslims do; for instance, some of the Christians are trinitarian.

Christian3
09-13-2018, 03:04 PM
Couldn't be. Even if you stretch "Eli/Eloi" to "Allah", the Allah of Islam only responds to prayers in Arabic - and the rest of his statement could not be considered Arabic.

And this phrase was originally spoken by King David and he did not speak in Arabic.

Cow Poke
09-13-2018, 04:41 PM
And this phrase was originally spoken by King David and he did not speak in Arabic.

Correct, David spoke clear King James English with a British accent. :yes:

mikewhitney
09-13-2018, 05:33 PM
Correct, David spoke clear King James English with a British accent. :yes:

duh. everyone knows King David used the KJV version of the bible.

Cow Poke
09-13-2018, 05:35 PM
duh. everyone knows King David used the KJV version of the bible.

It was good enough for Paul and Silas!

One Bad Pig
09-13-2018, 05:37 PM
And this phrase was originally spoken by King David and he did not speak in Arabic.
You never know. Maybe David DID speak in Arabic, but the nefarious Jews changed it to Hebrew when they corrupted the text.

thewriteranon
09-13-2018, 05:51 PM
Arab Jews and Christians do say Allah when referring to God but that is only because they speak Arabic. They do not have the same conception of God as Muslims do; for instance, some of the Christians are trinitarian.

I don't know why I bother.

Cow Poke
09-13-2018, 05:52 PM
I don't know why I bother.

Because some of us really do appreciate you. :hug:

Christianbookworm
09-13-2018, 06:53 PM
Wait.. can we get back to the idea that Muslims think Allah can only answer prayers in Arabic? Isn't God omniscient? :huh: That's a rather finite view of the ultimate Being! Mere mortals can learn more than one language!

Cow Poke
09-13-2018, 06:56 PM
Wait.. can we get back to the idea that Muslims think Allah can only answer prayers in Arabic? Isn't God omniscient? :huh: That's a rather finite view of the ultimate Being! Mere mortals can learn more than one language!

Christianity is about what Christ did for us. Islam is about what Muslims can do for Allah.

Christ died for His followers - Allah wants his followers to die for him.

God can hear us in any language - Allah wants us to learn Arabic for him.

Sparko
09-14-2018, 08:29 AM
Christianity is about what Christ did for us. Islam is about what Muslims can do for Allah.

Christ died for His followers - Allah wants his followers to die for him.

God can hear us in any language - Allah wants us to learn Arabic for him.

I also heard that Allah can't see muslims when they are not in the middle east so they can do whatever they want like whore and drink and sin.

Not sure if that is true or just a rumor someone told me.

Cow Poke
09-14-2018, 08:39 AM
I also heard that Allah can't see muslims when they are not in the middle east so they can do whatever they want like whore and drink and sin.

Not sure if that is true or just a rumor someone told me.

I can find pretty good substantiation for Arabic to be necessary for prayers to Allah (https://www.quora.com/As-a-Muslim-do-you-have-to-pray-in-Arabic-If-yes-why-I-know-Christians-all-over-the-world-pray-in-their-own-language-so-why-if-at-all-do-Muslims-have-to-pray-in-Arabic-Id-think-Allah-understands-everybody-no-matter-what-language), but I don't find anything about him not seeing Muslims outside the Middle East. In fact, it appears that Allah is claimed to be both omnipotent and omniscient (https://www.al-islam.org/tenets-islam-shaykh-tusi/attributes-allah).

The explanation for why it's necessary to pray in Arabic reminds me a lot of the 'explanations' on FairMormon.org. :smile:

One Bad Pig
09-14-2018, 09:07 AM
I also heard that Allah can't see muslims when they are not in the middle east so they can do whatever they want like whore and drink and sin.

Not sure if that is true or just a rumor someone told me.
Close. If whoring and drinking and sinning somehow advances the cause of Islam, then it's all good. If the Muslim dies for the advance of Islam, that's a one-way, fully-paid ticket to your 70 houris, so one can sin to one's heart's content, consequence-free.

Sparko
09-14-2018, 10:11 AM
Close. If whoring and drinking and sinning somehow advances the cause of Islam, then it's all good. If the Muslim dies for the advance of Islam, that's a one-way, fully-paid ticket to your 70 houris, so one can sin to one's heart's content, consequence-free.

Ah. That explains why the 911 terrorists were seen to be out gambling and drinking. They figured their sacrifice absolved them of their sins.

One Bad Pig
09-14-2018, 10:12 AM
Ah. That explains why the 911 terrorists were seen to be out gambling and drinking. They figured their sacrifice absolved them of their sins.

:yes:

Cow Poke
09-14-2018, 10:14 AM
Ah. That explains why the 911 terrorists were seen to be out gambling and drinking. They figured their sacrifice absolved them of their sins.

Not only that, but they revel in the sales of alcohol and cigarettes and pornography to us infidels. My sister almost married a Muslim about 40 years ago, and I was able to talk her out of it, but it was a tough sell. She really :love: Achmed.

Sparko
09-14-2018, 10:21 AM
Not only that, but they revel in the sales of alcohol and cigarettes and pornography to us infidels. My sister almost married a Muslim about 40 years ago, and I was able to talk her out of it, but it was a tough sell. She really :love: Achmed.

What about Bahrain? Pretty much the Las Vegas of the middle east. Maybe Allah can't see them there either.

Rushing Jaws
05-07-2019, 09:12 PM
What about Bahrain? Pretty much the Las Vegas of the middle east. Maybe Allah can't see them there either.Bahrain has been identified as the Sumerian Dilmun, which was the abode of the blessed - a sort of Sumerian Elysium. https://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/mythical-dilmun-and-island-dead-006801