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While this area is for the discussion of these doctrines within historic Christianity, all theists interested in discussing these areas within the presuppositions of and respect for the Christian framework are welcome to participate here. This is not the area for debate between nontheists and theists, additionally, there may be some topics that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream evangelical doctrine that may be more appropriately placed within Comparative Religions 101 Nontheists seeking only theistic participation only in a manner that does not seek to undermine the faith of others are also welcome - but we ask that Moderator approval be obtained beforehand.
Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 or General Theistics 101 forum without such restrictions. Theists who wish to discuss these issues outside the parameters of orthodox Christian doctrine are invited to Unorthodox Theology 201.
Remember, our forum rules apply here as well. If you haven't read them now would be a good time.
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"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)Tags: None
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Where in Scripture does God have, as one of his purposes, that all repent? Without that, your case collapses.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWhere in Scripture does God have, as one of his purposes, that all repent? Without that, your case collapses.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWhere in Scripture does God have, as one of his purposes, that all repent? Without that, your case collapses.
Surely this indicates that God's purpose is that the wicked turn from their ways!
"Let the wicked forsake their ways
and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord..." (Isa. 55:7)
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostSurely this indicates that God's purpose is that the wicked turn from their ways!
"Let the wicked forsake their ways
and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord..." (Isa. 55:7)
Blessings,
LeeThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostSurely this indicates that God's purpose is that the wicked turn from their ways!
"Let the wicked forsake their ways
and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord..." (Isa. 55:7)
Blessings,
LeeVeritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Cow PokeIt is, no doubt, His preference. We, however, are not puppets.
Originally posted by One Bad PigIt is certainly God's desire. Note, however, that the wicked die nonetheless.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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But you are making a big assumption here in saying that His word not coming to nothing means what you say it means. The Bible has many examples, some mentioned here, of His preferences not being fulfilled as we are able to see. His sovereign will ultimately will be done whether as you see it or not.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostBut then would that mean that God's word would not accomplish its purpose?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostBut you are making a big assumption here in saying that His word not coming to nothing means what you say it means. The Bible has many examples, some mentioned here, of His preferences not being fulfilled as we are able to see. His sovereign will ultimately will be done whether as you see it or not."What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt certainly accomplishes its purpose in those who accept Christ, and it certainly accomplishes its purpose in offering Salvation to all who will believe.
"For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies," declares the Lord God. "Therefore, repent and live." (Eze. 18:32)
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Yes His purposes will be accomplished. I just prefer to allow Him to decide, rather than jump to conclusions on what seems to me to be inadequate information revealed.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostYes His purposes will be accomplished.
I just prefer to allow Him to decide, rather than jump to conclusions on what seems to me to be inadequate information revealed.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostOriginally posted by lee_merrillI only assume that God's purpose in commanding all to repent is that indeed, all repent."What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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