The entire video series is Here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...lH9MxxLwwWnAea
It starts by explaining exactly why Ex Nihilo creation cannot be compatible with free will https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxOiYvKDack
(which, by the way, explains how Calvinists make the logical conclusion from Ex Nihilo creation assumptions.)
The portion below was copied from the other thread in order to keep things on topic over there.
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Concerning the New Testament video created by 7up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XFST2-vfIY
All "created things" were created by God. However, there are uncreated things. I simply demonstrated, that if you attempt to use "all" in the absolute sense in which you are attempting, then you will get all kinds of illogical conclusions and contradictions. I provided Biblical examples.
I explain how the "root word etymology" refers to "cutting out / separating". If you ever bothered to watch more than one minute of the videos, you would see that I am much more thorough than you would like. I specifically describe the different forms of 'bara' in the video, I give an example how the first form is used and then I give Biblical examples of the second form and how your view contradicts how the very same form of the verb is used elsewhere in the text. So, quite frankly Bill, you don't know what you are talking about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzIbLUPKgfY
Let me give you another example which is not even in that video.
"In the day that God created (bara') man, in the likeness of God made he him;" (Gen 5:1)
Tell me Bill. IN THE DAY that God created man, did God create man out of nothing? Is that how bara' is used?
This verse proves you wrong when it explains HOW God created. He FORMS it from something:
7Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
The assumptions and circular reasoning is yours Bill. You assume that creation implies "out of nothing", despite every single example in the Bible demonstrating creation from something.
You are adding meaning to the text which simply is not there. Paul says that God created the universe out of "invisible" things. In other words, that which CAN be seen was created out of something that cannot be seen. That destroys the assumption that God created the Universe out of nothing at the moment of the Big Bang. You say that "light" was created Ex Nihilo at the moment of the Big Bang, however, the text says that there was something there before that.
2 Corinthians 4:18 "For momentary, light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison, while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal."
"Is it logical to say that the intelligence of spirits is immortal, and yet that it had a beginning? The intelligence of spirits had no beginning, neither will it have an end. That is good logic. That which has a beginning may have an end." - Joseph Smith
The text clearly does say that it was created out of something or from something. And if you claim that the text does not say HOW they were made, then why would you assume that God created it "out of nothing".
-7up
It starts by explaining exactly why Ex Nihilo creation cannot be compatible with free will https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxOiYvKDack
(which, by the way, explains how Calvinists make the logical conclusion from Ex Nihilo creation assumptions.)
The portion below was copied from the other thread in order to keep things on topic over there.
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Concerning the New Testament video created by 7up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XFST2-vfIY
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Let me give you another example which is not even in that video.
"In the day that God created (bara') man, in the likeness of God made he him;" (Gen 5:1)
Tell me Bill. IN THE DAY that God created man, did God create man out of nothing? Is that how bara' is used?
This verse proves you wrong when it explains HOW God created. He FORMS it from something:
7Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
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"Is it logical to say that the intelligence of spirits is immortal, and yet that it had a beginning? The intelligence of spirits had no beginning, neither will it have an end. That is good logic. That which has a beginning may have an end." - Joseph Smith
Originally posted by Bill the Cat
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