We all know the verse - you cannot serve both God and money. To you, what does "serving money" look like in practical terms?
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"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard RavenhillTags: None
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Paul, in Romans 12, showed that service to God consisted of (or was demonstrated through) service to one another.
In such a framework, any action to gain money from people with deceptive assertion that you are helping them -- such behavior would be serving money instead of God.
Anyone driven to make money as their goal in life while considering God only as a way to make money -- that would be an example.
There are less blatant examples that should also qualify under this slavery to money.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostWe all know the verse - you cannot serve both God and money. To you, what does "serving money" look like in practical terms?
1 Timothy 6:10 King James Version (KJV) For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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WOW!!!!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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"The love of money" is indeed a good way to describe serving money. I would mention also the desire to be rich:
"But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction." (1 Timothy 6:9)
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post"The love of money" is indeed a good way to describe serving money. I would mention also the desire to be rich:
"But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction." (1 Timothy 6:9)
Blessings,
LeeThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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I was hoping to focus on what Jesus said rather than Paul, but even just going by Jesus' words only, we certainly couldn't conclude that money is inherently a bad thing as he did command us to use worldly wealth to gain friends for ourselves (as opposed to doing the equivalent of building bigger barns for ourselves).
Having said that... I once read a writer who pointed out that the haste with which we point out "it's the love of money, not money itself" that's the root of all evil suggests that we may need to take more heed than we think."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI was hoping to focus on what Jesus said rather than Paul, but even just going by Jesus' words only, we certainly couldn't conclude that money is inherently a bad thing as he did command us to use worldly wealth to gain friends for ourselves (as opposed to doing the equivalent of building bigger barns for ourselves).
Having said that... I once read a writer who pointed out that the haste with which we point out "it's the love of money, not money itself" that's the root of all evil suggests that we may need to take more heed than we think.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAre the parts of the Bible containing the words of Paul any less inspired than the parts containing the words of Christ?
I think it's a wee tad disingenuous to assume it's "with haste" that Paul's words to Timothy are cited.... it's a rather obvious reference directly to the subject."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostNo, of course not; I just wanted to focus on the exegesis of that specific verse.
This wasn't aimed at you. The "with haste" was a direct quote from the book I had (but don't have anymore) who thought that Christians in general were too dismissive of the idea that they might in fact be lovers of money.
Unfortunately, that's about the only part of the quote I actually remember; but it's just something that's stuck with me for whatever reason.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI don't even have a checkbook any more.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYeah, I think I got some in 2009 when I changed addresses. I keep a couple in my wallet just in case, but never use them.
Yeah, I had to think, "OK... writing a check... I know I can do this...."The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostWe all know the verse - you cannot serve both God and money. To you, what does "serving money" look like in practical terms?Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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