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Sparko
02-21-2019, 07:19 AM
Popular Pro-Abortion Group Plans to Release Children’s Book, Says Abortion is Part of ‘God’s Plan’

Amelia Bonow, co-founder of the popular pro-choice “Shout Your Abortion” organization, recently released a video of her discussing her abortion with children, and said she plans to release a children’s book on abortion in 2020.

“I let a bunch of kids grill me about my abortion and it was great. Shout Your Abortion will be releasing a children’s book about abortion in 2020,” Bonow tweeted December 28, linking to a video of her defending abortion in conversations with children.

Bonow goes into detail about how she got pregnant, noting that her partner “wasn’t wearing a condom,” and describes in her own terms how an abortion works.

“You go to the doctor and they put this little straw inside of your cervix and then inside of your uterus, and then they just suck the pregnancy out. It was like a crappy dentist appointment or something. It was just like this is like a body thing that’s kind of uncomfortable, but then it was over, and I felt really just grateful that I wasn’t pregnant anymore,” she tells two young girls in the video.

“What do you think that God thinks about abortion?” she asks another kid in the video, who said that he believes God is “fine with it because there’s still babies being born.”

“I think it’s all part of God’s plan,” Bonow says in the video. She goes on to joke about the idea that some people “believe that life begins at conception.”

At one point, one of the kids asks Bonow if she at any point was “considering not doing it,” but Bonow responds that for her “it was like an instant feeling, like I was like I’m pregnant. OK, I’m having an abortion.”

She also suggested that the pro-life movement is “propaganda because often the people that say that don’t want to take care of people who have babies that they can’t afford and then are totally poor.”

“They want to deprive people of access to health care. I’m just like, that’s not—you guys aren’t pro life,” Bonow states.

She later responded to critics of the video by thanking “the anti-choice mob for sharing widely and exposing tens of thousands of conservative women who’ve had abortions to the fresh, seductive idea that they don’t have to hate themselves.”

Bonow’s organization plans to release a children’s book on abortion in 2020, and has already released one book for adults titled “Shout Your Abortion.”

http://theminnesotasun.com/2019/01/03/popular-pro-abortion-group-plans-to-release-childrens-book-says-abortion-is-part-of-gods-plan/

Christianbookworm
02-21-2019, 08:15 AM
That could backfire. I first learned abortion was a thing when reading a medical encyclopedia at age 8 and knew it was horrible.

The person should have said that the baby was "released to elsewhere" and is now playing with the pets that were sent to the nice farm.

LeaC
02-21-2019, 08:38 AM
Horrifying... on the upside, if someone had explained pro-choice to me this way as a child, it would have turned me anti-abortion that much sooner.

Chrawnus
02-21-2019, 08:45 AM
You go to the doctor and they put this little straw inside of your cervix and then inside of your uterus, and then they just suck the pregnancy out.

they just suck the pregnancy out

suck the pregnancy out


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rogue06
02-21-2019, 08:52 AM
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One Punch Man FTW.

Sparko
02-21-2019, 09:02 AM
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Yeah most kids aren't stupid. They will think "that could have been me"

Bill the Cat
02-21-2019, 09:04 AM
They are their own worst enemies...

Christianbookworm
02-21-2019, 09:06 AM
How is it that children have more sense? Have these people blinded themselves or what?

Sparko
02-21-2019, 09:06 AM
They are their own worst enemies...

They celebrate death and killing children and expect that to convince children that they are right.

Zymologist
02-21-2019, 09:09 AM
If my six-year-old was exposed to this, I expect she would cry and ask why anyone would do that.

rogue06
02-21-2019, 09:12 AM
How is it that children have more sense? Have these people blinded themselves or what?
These are the same people who celebrate legalizing abortion right up to the moment of birth by ordering buildings and bridges be lit up with pink lights.

Cow Poke
02-21-2019, 09:13 AM
They are their own worst enemies...

And it seems the only time liberals care about God is when they can misuse Him to their advantage.

Sparko
02-21-2019, 09:14 AM
The responses to the author's tweet about it are not supportive of her at all. She apparently had a video of the interviews with children which is no longer there. Not sure if she pulled it or youtube did.

https://twitter.com/ameliabonow/status/1078825207203356672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1078825207203356672&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Ftheminnesotasun.com%2F2019%2F 01%2F03%2Fpopular-pro-abortion-group-plans-to-release-childrens-book-says-abortion-is-part-of-gods-plan%2F

QuantaFille
02-21-2019, 11:26 AM
When you tell a child that a human being is only a "real person" once they are of a certain age, that child will wonder if they are old enough, or a younger sibling, to be treated like a real person who is worth protecting. Kids internalize this stuff.

Sparko
02-21-2019, 12:04 PM
When you tell a child that a human being is only a "real person" once they are of a certain age, that child will wonder if they are old enough, or a younger sibling, to be treated like a real person who is worth protecting. Kids internalize this stuff.

She seemed to be careful to characterize the fetus as "the pregnancy" so as to abstract it into something happening to the mother, rather than it being a baby. Easier to get kids to agree if they think it is something that is helping the mother than if they thought the mother was killing their baby. "suck the pregnancy out. all better!"

Christianbookworm
02-21-2019, 12:13 PM
Unless that kid was me and knew what pregnancy meant.

So... if 8 year old me talked to her

woman: The doctor just sucks out the pregnancy through a straw...

me: What? That makes no sense! Pregnancy means that the mom has a baby inside of her. It's not the word for the baby!

woman: Um... aren't you a little confused? It isn't a baby, it's just a pregnancy!

me: I know where babies come from! I've read books and seen the pictures. A fetus looks just like a baby, and embryos don't stay that weird looking for long. My baby sister used to be like that and she couldn't be sucked through a straw!

Wonder what her response would be to that!

Sparko
02-21-2019, 12:27 PM
Unless that kid was me and knew what pregnancy meant.

So... if 8 year old me talked to her

woman: The doctor just sucks out the pregnancy through a straw...

me: What? That makes no sense! Pregnancy means that the mom has a baby inside of her. It's not the word for the baby!

woman: Um... aren't you a little confused? It isn't a baby, it's just a pregnancy!

me: I know where babies come from! I've read books and seen the pictures. A fetus looks just like a baby, and embryos don't stay that weird looking for long. My baby sister used to be like that and she couldn't be sucked through a straw!

Wonder what her response would be to that!

probably would just snip your interview from the video. suck that interview right out!

Christianbookworm
02-21-2019, 12:35 PM
Yeah, can't be outwitted by a child!

rogue06
02-21-2019, 01:51 PM
She seemed to be careful to characterize the fetus as "the pregnancy" so as to abstract it into something happening to the mother, rather than it being a baby. Easier to get kids to agree if they think it is something that is helping the mother than if they thought the mother was killing their baby. "suck the pregnancy out. all better!"
Nothing but a clump of cells. You don't want mommy "infected" by something like that do you? Best to suck that pregnancy out.

Christianbookworm
02-21-2019, 01:53 PM
Nothing but a clump of cells. You don't want mommy "infected" by something like that do you? Best to suck that pregnancy out.

Would she like to be spaced? She is "just" a nonviable clump of cells that can't survive unprotected in the vacuum of space.

Sparko
02-21-2019, 02:18 PM
Nothing but a clump of cells. You don't want mommy "infected" by something like that do you? Best to suck that pregnancy out.
makes it sound like pregnancy is a disease like cancer.

Christianbookworm
02-21-2019, 02:31 PM
makes it sound like pregnancy is a disease like cancer.

That magically turns into a baby. Because of the personhood fairy!

QuantaFille
02-22-2019, 07:52 AM
If a "pregnancy" is "just a clump of cells", then that means something is very, very wrong, like a teratoma which is: A. very rare, and B. not viable by any stretch of the imagination. If you're talking about a normal, healthy pregnancy, there is never any stage at which the developing human can be described as a disorganized blob of cells. If the public school system did its job properly, people would be a little more familiar with biology and the "just a clump of cells" argument wouldn't fly.

tabibito
02-24-2019, 12:04 AM
I suppose even an adult human could be described as just a clump of cells with a reasonable factual basis, and the description be used as justification for post-natal abortion.

rogue06
02-24-2019, 04:03 AM
I suppose even an adult human could be described as just a clump of cells with a reasonable factual basis, and the description be used as justification for post-natal abortion.
Post-birth abortion is a view that appears to slowly but surely gaining support (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?18973-Virginia-governor-under-fire-for-comments-on-late-term-abortion-bill&p=609636&viewfull=1#post609636) including at least one poster here that has promoted the idea.

tabibito
02-24-2019, 04:48 AM
Post-birth abortion is a view that appears to slowly but surely gaining support (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?18973-Virginia-governor-under-fire-for-comments-on-late-term-abortion-bill&p=609636&viewfull=1#post609636) including at least one poster here that has promoted the idea.

Oh the humanity!

Terraceth
02-24-2019, 02:29 PM
She also suggested that the pro-life movement is “propaganda because often the people that say that don’t want to take care of people who have babies that they can’t afford and then are totally poor.”She's actually not without a point here. Far too many "pro-life" politicians seem content to try to restrict access to abortion without doing anything to address the motivations for them, which are frequently economic. For example, the United States does not mandate businesses to provide maternity leave, something that would help to reduce the number of abortions because it provides better financial security to people who are pregnant. The supposedly pro-life Republicans could have passed such a law while in control of both houses and the presidency, and it would have been unlikely to face opposition by Democrats (indeed, the states that have passed such laws--California, New Jersey, Rhode Island, New York, Washington, and Massachussetts--are dominated by Democrats).

mossrose
02-24-2019, 03:05 PM
She's actually not without a point here. Far too many "pro-life" politicians seem content to try to restrict access to abortion without doing anything to address the motivations for them, which are frequently economic. For example, the United States does not mandate businesses to provide maternity leave, something that would help to reduce the number of abortions because it provides better financial security to people who are pregnant. The supposedly pro-life Republicans could have passed such a law while in control of both houses and the presidency, and it would have been unlikely to face opposition by Democrats (indeed, the states that have passed such laws--California, New Jersey, Rhode Island, New York, Washington, and Massachussetts--are dominated by Democrats).

We have had no abortion laws in Canada for about 25 years now, so abortion is unrestricted, up to and including the moment of birth. And it is funded by the taxpayer. Including me, who hates that my taxes go toward this abominable act.

Canada has mandated mat leave for anyone who wants it. That has done nothing to decrease the frequency of abortions or to increase the number of adoptions as a result of a woman deciding not to have an abortion.

So your argument doesn't necessarily work.

Sparko
02-25-2019, 08:08 AM
We have had no abortion laws in Canada for about 25 years now, so abortion is unrestricted, up to and including the moment of birth. And it is funded by the taxpayer. Including me, who hates that my taxes go toward this abominable act.

Canada has mandated mat leave for anyone who wants it. That has done nothing to decrease the frequency of abortions or to increase the number of adoptions as a result of a woman deciding not to have an abortion.

So your argument doesn't necessarily work.

US Christian who refuses to pay taxes until abortion is defunded has first big win in court



COLUMBIA CITY, Oregon, April 18, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – Like 60% of Americans, Michael Bowman opposes taxpayer funding of abortion. Unlike most Americans, he is currently squaring off against the Internal Revenue Service to avoid doing so.

Bowman is a 53-year-old Christian and contract engineer in Columbia City, Oregon. He has refused to file a tax return or pay taxes since 1999, The Oregonian reports, citing the federal government’s funding of the abortion industry.

"I'm not a tax protester. I love my country,” he told the paper. “I have a duty to my country. I have a duty to my conscience.”

The IRS has sent him numerous warnings over unpaid taxes from 2002 to 2014, and in 2012 the Oregon Department of Revenue began garnishing money from Bowman’s bank account. In response, he started cashing out his paychecks and leaving only a minimum balance in his account.

This, federal prosecutors say, constituted “remov[ing] his income from the reach of taxing authorities.” They indicted him for felony tax evasion in the amount of $356,857, as well as four misdemeanor counts of willful failure to file tax returns.

Bowman’s attorney, Matthew Schindler, argued that his client was fully transparent every step of the way, from disclosing all of his paychecks to cashing them at his own bank, under his own name.

"Like a player collapsing as they lose Twister, the government has reached too far forward and stretched way too far back,'' his motion to dismiss read.

Last week, US District Judge Michael Mosman sided with Bowman on the felony charge, ruling that the feds failed to show he attempted to conceal income or deceive the government. Prosecutors remain free to re-introduce the charge in the future, and are currently weighing whether to do so.

On Tuesday, Bowman elaborated on his stand in an interview with CBN News.

"First, I would love to pay taxes so as to have a normal life, however, our government is using the tax dollars to fund Planned Parenthood; which commits abortions - the death of the innocent," Bowman said. “Apparently, a woman has the right to choose, but evidently, I do not.”

He also took aim at the common rejoinder that every American citizen has to pay taxes for things with which they might personally disagree, such as war. “You see, the Constitution grants certain abilities to the government, e.g. funding the military, but killing children is not a Constitutional backed, compelling interest of the government by any stretch of the imagination,” Bowman explained.

Planned Parenthood receives more than $500 million per year from the federal government, and performs more than 300,000 abortions. Federal law forbids taxpayer dollars from being directly spent on abortions, though pro-life groups argue that the money still enables abortion facilities to grow their reach and influence, and spend more revenue from other sources on abortions.

“All the government has to do is put a check box on the tax forms that says check here to support Planned Parenthood, and write in your donation amount," Bowman proposed. "Then, just like any church or charity, Planned Parenthood will be funded by those that have no problem with it, and the 150 million people like me that are pro-life, can pay their taxes and live knowing we kept our conscience clean.”

He vowed that he will continue his resistance as long as the government continues funding the abortion industry.

“My effort [is] about standing up, standing firm for my Constitutional rights, and getting the government to honor title 42 Chapter 21.b The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, so that I may live a peaceful life, and in the end face God, and hopefully have Him say, 'Well done, good and faithful servant!" he said.


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/us-christian-who-refuses-to-pay-taxes-until-abortion-is-defunded-has-first

Terraceth
02-25-2019, 05:48 PM
While I can understand the sentiment of refusing to pay taxes due to dislike of what the government spends it on, I have trouble reconciling it with Romans 13:6, in which St. Paul tells Christians to pay their taxes to the Roman government. But plenty of things the Roman government spent money on at the time were un- if not outright anti-Christian. See also Luke 20:20-26.

Sparko
02-26-2019, 07:15 AM
While I can understand the sentiment of refusing to pay taxes due to dislike of what the government spends it on, I have trouble reconciling it with Romans 13:6, in which St. Paul tells Christians to pay their taxes to the Roman government. But plenty of things the Roman government spent money on at the time were un- if not outright anti-Christian. See also Luke 20:20-26.

This isn't a debate area.

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