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TimelessTheist
05-11-2014, 08:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L7Q5OehdCY

Ohhhhh,man, guys, this guys funny right?......right?...guys?

Leonhard
05-12-2014, 01:41 AM
Thinking back on the whole birther thing, where almost every single conservative in the US either thought that Obama was illegitimate for presidency, or thought that there was something fishy with the birth certificate, or still do... its partially well deserved. That was ridiculous, and still is.

I remember several twebbers joining into that nonsense, though they'd temper it by saying "I don't know if he's from Kenya, but I think he's hiding something, so why isn't he just showing us the long form?"

I still get a bit of a chuckle thinking of him playing the Lion King intro as his birth video during one of his speeches. And of course letting the FOX news commentators know that this was in fact a Disney cartoon... the long form of it can be obtained from Disney.

Cow Poke
05-12-2014, 05:05 AM
He's still the most thin-skinned public figure I have ever seen.

TimelessTheist
05-12-2014, 05:53 AM
Thinking back on the whole birther thing, where almost every single conservative in the US either thought that Obama was illegitimate for presidency, or thought that there was something fishy with the birth certificate, or still do... its partially well deserved. That was ridiculous, and still is.

I remember several twebbers joining into that nonsense, though they'd temper it by saying "I don't know if he's from Kenya, but I think he's hiding something, so why isn't he just showing us the long form?"

I still get a bit of a chuckle thinking of him playing the Lion King intro as his birth video during one of his speeches. And of course letting the FOX news commentators know that this was in fact a Disney cartoon... the long form of it can be obtained from Disney.

Really, "Every single conservative"? Oh, not to mention that the whole birther issue was actually started by the Clintons, not Republicans.

Leonhard
05-12-2014, 11:24 PM
Really, "Every single conservative"? Oh, not to mention that the whole birther issue was actually started by the Clintons, not Republicans.

On this forum I remember most conservatives, and they're about as level headed as it gets. The ones I was regularly talking to on chat did the same, which blew my mind. Just as most conspiracy theorists don't says that the Twin Towers were brought down by explosives "We're just pointing out that there's something fishy about the evidence", in a similar fashion most birthers kept with the "He's not showing us the long form, so he's probably hiding something". The thing that's being hidden of course is that he was born on Kenyan soil.

It was dumb, really, really dumb, it was mainly conservatives, it was the majority of conservatives and they really don't have any defence against it.

Of course that's not true any longer, as soon as the short form was shown the numbers dropped, when the long form was shown it dropped to a fringe. Though Donald Trump now wants Obama's college papers. This afterbirther movement I don't care about, they can stand in line with the 9/11 truthers, Kennedy assassination conspiary theoriests, illuminaty mongerers and other lunatic fringe movements.

rogue06
05-13-2014, 06:12 AM
Really, "Every single conservative"? Oh, not to mention that the whole birther issue was actually started by the Clintons, not Republicans.
And the entire birther movement was started about McCain (folks like the New York Times thought it was a legitimate issue but dropped the issue like a hot potato when Obama became the Democrat front-runner) and the left was also bringing it up about Rubio until he released his birth certificate.

Cow Poke
05-13-2014, 08:27 AM
And the entire birther movement was started about McCain (folks like the New York Times thought it was a legitimate issue but dropped the issue like a hot potato when Obama became the Democrat front-runner) and the left was also bringing it up about Rubio until he released his birth certificate.

Well, yeah, but you're bringing up Republicans.. What does THAT have to do with....

oh

Darth Executor
05-13-2014, 02:40 PM
On this forum I remember most conservatives, and they're about as level headed as it gets. The ones I was regularly talking to on chat did the same, which blew my mind. Just as most conspiracy theorists don't says that the Twin Towers were brought down by explosives "We're just pointing out that there's something fishy about the evidence", in a similar fashion most birthers kept with the "He's not showing us the long form, so he's probably hiding something". The thing that's being hidden of course is that he was born on Kenyan soil.

It was dumb, really, really dumb, it was mainly conservatives, it was the majority of conservatives and they really don't have any defence against it.

Of course that's not true any longer, as soon as the short form was shown the numbers dropped, when the long form was shown it dropped to a fringe. Though Donald Trump now wants Obama's college papers. This afterbirther movement I don't care about, they can stand in line with the 9/11 truthers, Kennedy assassination conspiary theoriests, illuminaty mongerers and other lunatic fringe movements.

Actually you're the dumb one. Obama had his publisher put his birthplace down as "Kenya". This was posted here before, though the thread is gone now. If Obama can pretend he was born in Kenya when he wants street cred then nobody has any right to call other people stupid when they suddenly decide they don't believe him when he claims he wasn't really born in Kenya. (No, I don't think he was actually born in Kenya, but I don't think there's anything wrong with being a Birther either when Obama himself lies like a rug about his birthplace whenever it suits him).

TimelessTheist
05-13-2014, 05:49 PM
Actually you're the dumb one. Obama had his publisher put his birthplace down as "Kenya". This was posted here before, though the thread is gone now. If Obama can pretend he was born in Kenya when he wants street cred then nobody has any right to call other people stupid when they suddenly decide they don't believe him when he claims he wasn't really born in Kenya. (No, I don't think he was actually born in Kenya, but I don't think there's anything wrong with being a Birther either when Obama himself lies like a rug about his birthplace whenever it suits him).

You know, I was about to put that, but I wasn't actually sure how true it was. Is there a source for Obama lying about his birthplace?....not that it would surprise me that he lied.

Darth Executor
05-13-2014, 05:58 PM
You know, I was about to put that, but I wasn't actually sure how true it was. Is there a source for Obama lying about his birthplace?....not that it would surprise me that he lied.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/Obama-pamphlet-in-use-2007
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp

The publisher claims it was a "fact checking error", which is an utterly asinine explanation when you consider the "fact checking" involved in figuring out where your client was born:

"Hey Hussein, where were you born?"
"Uh, umm, let me be clear, I was born in Kenya."

Kenya and Hawaii are pretty much the same thing anyway, anybody could mix them up.

Cow Poke
05-13-2014, 06:26 PM
The publisher claims it was a "fact checking error"

The one thing on which you can ALWAYS expect him to be consistent --- he's a liar. :shrug:

Leonhard
05-14-2014, 12:01 AM
Actually you're the dumb one.

How original.


Obama had his publisher put his birthplace down as "Kenya".

According to the publisher that was a mistake (as you tacidly admit), so between a hypothesis that says that both the publisher and Obama are colluding in a conspiracy, and merely the publisher making a mistake, Occam's razor has that we should pick the one with where its just the publisher.


If Obama can pretend he was born in Kenya when he wants street cred then nobody has any right to call other people stupid when they suddenly decide they don't believe him when he claims he wasn't really born in Kenya. (No, I don't think he was actually born in Kenya, but I don't think there's anything wrong with being a Birther either when Obama himself lies like a rug about his birthplace whenever it suits him).

You talk more or less like an afterbirther. The way a typical 9/11 truther talks is like this "I don't know if the towers were really brought down by explosives... I'm just saying its weird that they fell down straight, and the government didn't let us examine the rubble and that its really crazy that a small group of people with a low education could hijack all those planes. And notice how conveniently this attack started a war... you can't say the military-industrial complex didn't have some powerful interests in starting this."

The evidence is massively, unidirectionally against him having been born on anything other than US soil. It quickly became so, and after that it just grew stronger.

At the start of the kerfuffle there was the slightest, thinnest ray of hope that this might just possible be true against all hope. It was already extremely improbable, because Obama would have to had basically gambled that he could hide his birthplace during the campaign and throughout his presidency.

Then Hawaii stated that the birth records showed that he originated there. The conspiracy should have died. This is all it would have taken to kill it. Somehow it didn't though, but that's usually the case with conspiracy theories. Then the short form of the birth certificate was shown. Still not enough, though this was a gratuitous amount of evidence. Conservatives on this forum were still speculating that he was born in Kenya, and doing it in the typical conspiracy tones "There's something odd about it... he's hiding something. He might be born in Kenya... or something else."

Then the long-form was released, and there were still people claiming it was odd. Wrong colour. After that it slowly died out, with a hardcore clinging to the notion that he hasn't shown us pictures from his childhood. If those were shown I'm sure they'd claim that they were obviously photoshopped.

There is a process that conspiracy theorists go through which is called anomaly hunting. Rather than seeing the big picture of where the evidence is going, they nitpick in minute details until some anomaly emerges that doesn't admit of an immediate explanation, and then they use this to call the rest into question. To a 9/11 truther, it might be that one of the windows of the Twin Towers suddenly exploded as it collapsed. There are hundreds of explanations of how this could happen, the lack of which does not support that it was brought down by explosives. The long form was on green paper rather than white, again this does not support a massive conspiracy between the Hawaiian government and Obama.

Its conspiracy nonsense, it was popular mainly with the conservatives who used it as a hope that Obama could be taken down from presidency even before his term had come to an end. It stopped being interesting to Democrats when he won the candidacy.

I can understand this desire, at least from the perspective of abortion and birth control, but I'm sorry, there's really no other rational thing to believe than that Obama is a US citizen, however bad a president he might be.

nickcopernicus
05-14-2014, 04:29 AM
The one thing on which you can ALWAYS expect him to be consistent --- he's a liar. :shrug:
Nick:
Exactly! That means Osama Bin Laden is alive and well, right?

TimelessTheist
05-14-2014, 04:37 AM
According to the publisher that was a mistake (as you tacidly admit), so between a hypothesis that says that both the publisher and Obama are colluding in a conspiracy, and merely the publisher making a mistake, Occam's razor has that we should pick the one with where its just the publisher.

The assumption that Obama is a liar is not one without proof. It's a proven liar that he's a fact, thus, that assumption doesn't fit into Occam's Razor because it's not unproven.

Cow Poke
05-14-2014, 05:18 AM
Nick:
Exactly! That means Osama Bin Laden is alive and well, right?

The fact that somebody "is a liar" does NOT preclude them from occasionally stating the truth, especially when it suits their purposes. :glare:

Cow Poke
05-14-2014, 05:19 AM
The assumption that Obama is a liar is not one without proof. It's a proven liar that he's a fact, thus, that assumption doesn't fit into Occam's Razor because it's not unproven.

And that he lies so EASILY, and, apparently to many, convincingly.

TimelessTheist
05-14-2014, 08:38 AM
It's a proven liar that he's a fact

I can't believe I typed that.

Darth Executor
05-14-2014, 10:46 AM
How original.



According to the publisher that was a mistake (as you tacidly admit), so between a hypothesis that says that both the publisher and Obama are colluding in a conspiracy, and merely the publisher making a mistake, Occam's razor has that we should pick the one with where its just the publisher.

Occam's razor does not apply because their claim that it was an error is so unlikely that it can be dismissed outright. The idea that Obama told them he was born in Kenya rather than that they made a "fact checking error" where they ask Obama where he was born, he says Hawaii and they hear Kenya then fail to fix it for years until it just so happens that Obama runs for president is not the most simple explanation, because it's not an explanation at all. It's a lie, and the type of obvious, absurd, poorly thought out lies only an utter imbecile would believe. No offense.


You talk more or less like an afterbirther. The way a typical 9/11 truther talks is like this "I don't know if the towers were really brought down by explosives... I'm just saying its weird that they fell down straight, and the government didn't let us examine the rubble and that its really crazy that a small group of people with a low education could hijack all those planes. And notice how conveniently this attack started a war... you can't say the military-industrial complex didn't have some powerful interests in starting this."

The evidence is massively, unidirectionally against him having been born on anything other than US soil. It quickly became so, and after that it just grew stronger.

At the start of the kerfuffle there was the slightest, thinnest ray of hope that this might just possible be true against all hope. It was already extremely improbable, because Obama would have to had basically gambled that he could hide his birthplace during the campaign and throughout his presidency.

Then Hawaii stated that the birth records showed that he originated there. The conspiracy should have died. This is all it would have taken to kill it. Somehow it didn't though, but that's usually the case with conspiracy theories. Then the short form of the birth certificate was shown. Still not enough, though this was a gratuitous amount of evidence. Conservatives on this forum were still speculating that he was born in Kenya, and doing it in the typical conspiracy tones "There's something odd about it... he's hiding something. He might be born in Kenya... or something else."

Then the long-form was released, and there were still people claiming it was odd. Wrong colour. After that it slowly died out, with a hardcore clinging to the notion that he hasn't shown us pictures from his childhood. If those were shown I'm sure they'd claim that they were obviously photoshopped.

There is a process that conspiracy theorists go through which is called anomaly hunting. Rather than seeing the big picture of where the evidence is going, they nitpick in minute details until some anomaly emerges that doesn't admit of an immediate explanation, and then they use this to call the rest into question. To a 9/11 truther, it might be that one of the windows of the Twin Towers suddenly exploded as it collapsed. There are hundreds of explanations of how this could happen, the lack of which does not support that it was brought down by explosives. The long form was on green paper rather than white, again this does not support a massive conspiracy between the Hawaiian government and Obama.

Its conspiracy nonsense, it was popular mainly with the conservatives who used it as a hope that Obama could be taken down from presidency even before his term had come to an end. It stopped being interesting to Democrats when he won the candidacy.

I can understand this desire, at least from the perspective of abortion and birth control, but I'm sorry, there's really no other rational thing to believe than that Obama is a US citizen, however bad a president he might be.

Hilarious. You spend 2-3 lines dismissing my actual point then go on an extended rant on birtherism that doesn't interest me in the slightest because I'm not, you know, a birther, despite your insistence to the contrary.

Leonhard
05-14-2014, 12:19 PM
Occam's razor does not apply because their claim that it was an error is so unlikely that it can be dismissed outright. The idea that Obama told them he was born in Kenya rather than that they made a "fact checking error" where they ask Obama where he was born, he says Hawaii and they hear Kenya then fail to fix it for years until it just so happens that Obama runs for president is not the most simple explanation, because it's not an explanation at all. It's a lie,

And the evidence for this is...? I'm really waiting here Darth. The prior probability that he's made a mistake, and was too busy doing other things is always higher than that he lied. The posterior probability in the light of the fact that Obama has been known to spout falsehoods is higher relative to other politicians, but is still generally lower absolutely than the hypothesis that it was a mistake and that Obama himself didn't fact check it.

If you have evidence show me, if not then admit it and put your tail between your legs. And then accept that the OP is bunk. It is right and just to mock, ridicule and laugh at dumb or destructive things. The conservatives really had themselves fooled with this, and Donald Trump made a clown out of himself. I will laugh and chuckle at that for quite a while.

I'm sympathetic to those that just got caught up in the spirit of things. Those who aren't posting here because they know that they participated in this nonsense. If that's you Darth Ex, I'm sorry.

I'm against abortion now, that means that Obama is my enemy, but him being an enemy doesn't mean I have to attack him on anything and hold my hand over you conservatives any chance I get. You guys have participated in too much nonsense for me to take you seriously. I've yet to meet a conservative who could talk me into it, everyone I meet are anti-science, or anti-vax, or anti-health, or anti-education, or conspiracy mongerers.


...the type of obvious, absurd, poorly thought out lies only an utter imbecile would believe. No offense.

I'm sorry, you'll need to speak louder my ego is kinda hard of hearing. Besides stupidity doesn't offend me, you have a place in this world as well Darth Ex.


because I'm not, you know, a birther, despite your insistence to the contrary.

Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... You insisted it was a legitimate position. In light of all the evidence that's been released it isn't.

Zymologist
05-14-2014, 12:25 PM
And the evidence for this is...? I'm really waiting here Darth. The prior probability that he's made a mistake, and was too busy doing other things is always higher than that he lied. The posterior probability in the light of the fact that Obama has been known to spout falsehoods is higher relative to other politicians, but is still generally lower absolutely than the hypothesis that it was a mistake and that Obama himself didn't fact check it.

If you have evidence show me, if not then admit it and put your tail between your legs. And then accept that the OP is bunk. It is right and just to mock, ridicule and laugh at dumb or destructive things. The conservatives really had themselves fooled with this, and Donald Trump made a clown out of himself. I will laugh and chuckle at that for quite a while.

I'm sympathetic to those that just got caught up in the spirit of things. Those who aren't posting here because they know that they participated in this nonsense. If that's you Darth Ex, I'm sorry.

I'm against abortion now, that means that Obama is my enemy, but him being an enemy doesn't mean I have to attack him on anything and hold my hand over you conservatives any chance I get. You guys have participated in too much nonsense for me to take you seriously. I've yet to meet a conservative who could talk me into it, everyone I meet are anti-science, or anti-vax, or anti-health, or anti-education, or conspiracy mongerers.



I'm sorry, you'll need to speak louder my ego is kinda hard of hearing. Besides stupidity doesn't offend me, you have a place in this world as well Darth Ex.



Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... You insisted it was a legitimate position. In light of all the evidence that's been released it isn't.

Wow, that's...remarkably harsh. So every conservative that you've met is "anti-science, anti-vaccine, anti-health, anti-education, or a conspiracy monger," and we've all participated in so much nonsense that you can't take any of us seriously?

I'm a little shocked at that, TBH. It sounds like a liberal talking point just meant to silence conservatives.

Leonhard
05-14-2014, 12:41 PM
Wow, that's...remarkably harsh. So every conservative that you've met is "anti-science, anti-vaccine, anti-health, anti-education, or a conspiracy monger," and we've all participated in so much nonsense that you can't take any of us seriously?

I'm a little shocked at that, TBH. It sounds like a liberal talking point just meant to silence conservatives.

You forgot the 'or'. I've yet to meet a synthesis of all conservative nonsense, but maybe that's Darth Ex or Epo. They seem to be everything, though Epo goes one step further and is an open racist and hates women, and jews.

I wish I was kidding. I talk to One Bad Pig, he denies just about all science if it conflicts with Economic Doctrine. All scientists are part of a grant gaining conspiracy, me included. I talk to DeeDee she rejects most science, if it doesn't relate to patents and technology. I talk to Nick Peters, he's antiscience on climate. I talk to them about whether Texas ought to control the science book industry, and I get free market propaganda. I talk to you guys on health and I get three libertarians with talking points about how vaccinations are evil and we should seek alternative treatments. Though thankfully a lot of conservatives here against vaccines. They just hate universal health care. A lot. Barely a decade ago it was all bitherism by every one, by every single conservative I talked to on this forum.

If you talked against birtherism you were an atheist, or a liberal, or a liberal atheist.

I wasn't being self selective. These were my friends, I chatted with many of them. I'm still baffled by it. I really am. If anyone was against birtherism back then please step forward. I don't mind being proven wrong.

But yes, coming to tweb to meet Christians I basically had to tell myself "Okay these are Americans. They hate anything more wellfare than Reagan, and more science than the patent office or IBM. That's just their political views. I'll have to ignore that in order to talk to them about Christ."

Darth Executor
05-14-2014, 12:46 PM
And the evidence for this is...?

The evidence for this is that his publisher listed his birthplace as "Kenya" and the only obvious source for your birthplace is yourself.


I'm really waiting here Darth. The prior probability that he's made a mistake, and was too busy doing other things is always higher than that he lied. The posterior probability in the light of the fact that Obama has been known to spout falsehoods is higher relative to other politicians, but is still generally lower absolutely than the hypothesis that it was a mistake and that Obama himself didn't fact check it.

What the heck does this mean? How are you too busy to remember whether you were born in Hawaii or Kenya? How would Obama not fact check it? Why would Obama need to fact check his birthplace? Who do you think they got his birth place from? What do you think, the publisher asked some homeless bum where Obama was born because Obama was too busy to spend 3 seconds answering a question? You haven't proposed a mechanism by which a mistake could have plausibly been made because a mistake could not have plausibly been made without assuming severe retardation of one or both parties. Then again, your severe retardation in accepting an obvious lie is, perhaps proof, that severe retardation could have played a factor in this incident.


If you have evidence show me

Prosecutor: Your honor, we caught Barack Obama feasting on the flesh of a child he just murdered on camera from three different angles, with over two dozen horrified witnesses.
Leontard: Duhhh, seems more plausible that the poor man was set up somehow, if you have evidence sho*chokes on drool*


I'm sympathetic to those that just got caught up in the spirit of things. Those who aren't posting here because they know that they participated in this nonsense. If that's you Darth Ex, I'm sorry.

I never thought birtherism was reasonable until the info about Obama's publisher came out, at which point I no longer felt any need to fight birtherism since it became obvious Hussein himself was a complete and utter hypocrite on the matter.


I'm against abortion now, that means that Obama is my enemy, but him being an enemy doesn't mean I have to attack him on anything and hold my hand over you conservatives any chance I get. You guys have participated in too much nonsense for me to take you seriously.

There's nothing wrong with attacking a hypocritical dirtbag who whines that other people are making the same claims he made when it was politically and socially convenient for him. In fact he should be viciously and relentlessly attacked on this matter until he grovels out an apology. With morally bankrupt retards like you who care more about your own pride than you do about the truth though, I'll probably be waiting a while for that to happen.


I've yet to meet a conservative who could talk me into it, everyone I meet are anti-science, or anti-vax, or anti-health, or anti-education, or conspiracy mongerers.

Talk about going all out with poisoning the well. A few drops isn't enough, you gotta drop the whole barrel right down and then crap in it for good measure. :lolo:

Anyway, at this point it's pretty obvious that you walked into a huge pile of crap without having realized that Obama himself was complicit in perpetrating the birther myth when it suited him, and you are now desperately trying to save face by pretending his publisher "fact checked" simple information it would take them a few seconds to confirm from the guy they were talking to by stopping random truck drivers to ask them where Obama was really born (or something). I am determined not to let you weasel your way out of this and continue to humiliate you for your stubbornness in accepting obvious lies whenever I get the chance.

Zymologist
05-14-2014, 12:53 PM
You forgot the 'or'. I've yet to meet a synthesis of all conservative nonsense, but maybe that's Darth Ex or Epo. They seem to be everything, though Epo goes one step further and is an open racist and hates women, and jews.

I wish I was kidding. I talk to One Bad Pig, he denies just about all science if it conflicts with Economic Doctrine. All scientists are part of a grant gaining conspiracy, me included. I talk to DeeDee she rejects most science, if it doesn't relate to patents and technology. I talk to Nick Peters, he's antiscience on climate. I talk to them about whether Texas ought to control the science book industry, and I get free market propaganda. I talk to you guys on health and I get three libertarians with talking points about how vaccinations are evil and we should seek alternative treatments. Though thankfully a lot of conservatives here against vaccines. They just hate universal health care. A lot. Barely a decade ago it was all bitherism by every one, by every single conservative I talked to on this forum.

If you talked against birtherism you were an atheist, or a liberal, or a liberal atheist.

I wasn't being self selective. These were my friends, I chatted with many of them. I'm still baffled by it. I really am. If anyone was against birtherism back then please step forward. I don't mind being proven wrong.

But yes, coming to tweb to meet Christians I basically had to tell myself "Okay these are Americans. They hate anything more wellfare than Reagan, and more science than the patent office or IBM. That's just their political views. I'll have to ignore that in order to talk to them about Christ."

Ok. You seem to have an extremely negative view of American conservatives, but whatever. Maybe it'd be best if I don't discuss anything political with you in the future.

I am just a conservative, after all. :shrug:

Leonhard
05-14-2014, 12:58 PM
Ok. You seem to have an extremely negative view of American conservatives, but whatever. Maybe it'd be best if I don't discuss anything political with you in the future.

I am just a conservative, after all. :shrug:

I'm sympathetic to being proven wrong Zymologist. I really am. I don't mind having a conversation about it, but this birther nonsense from Darth Ex brought up all the problems I've had on this forum with this stuff.

How many times do you get accused of being a government leech, who's participating in a conspiracy out of incompentency? This goes as regular stuff here. One Bad Pig repeats it just about every chance he gets, no reprimand and no apology. He litterally doesn't care.

Zymologist
05-14-2014, 01:02 PM
I'm sympathetic to being proven wrong Zymologist. I really am. I don't mind having a conversation about it, but this birther nonsense from Darth Ex brought up all the problems I've had on this forum with this stuff.

How many times do you get accused of being a government leech, who's participating in a conspiracy out of incompentency? This goes as regular stuff here. One Bad Pig repeats it just about every chance he gets, no reprimand and no apology. He litterally doesn't care.

Not often, but I (and all the other conservatives) seem to be quite regularly accused of racism, sexism, bigotry, and of course the nice little list you had. But apparently that's ok, because we're just conservatives.

Sometimes I get really sick of Civics. Politics, how I hate thee.

Leonhard
05-14-2014, 01:10 PM
Not often, but I (and all the other conservatives) seem to be quite regularly accused of racism, sexism, bigotry, and of course the nice little list you had. But apparently that's ok, because we're just conservatives.

Sometimes I get really sick of Civics. Politics, how I hate thee.

I've only accused Epo of being a racist. He'll probably rush in here and agree. I've never accused anyone else of it. Nor of bigotry. Only the things I've encountered here Zymologist.

If you're on board with climate change, I'm sorry, if you believe science education should reflect science, I'm sorry, if you weren't on the birtherism bandwagon by either saying it was reasonable (like Darth Ex does) or by saying it outright (think Donald Trump), I'm sorry, if you were for vaccines, I'm sorry.

Anti-science is part of the course. Most of the conservatives here do reject science on a lot of issues, pollution science because it means coal plants have to be careful of where they dump their sludge, or maybe because restrictions have to be made to industries and conservative policies can't really deal with that. Climate change, because the invisible hand of the market means that the climate can't change, or something like that...

And yes me and many other get routinely accused of the very worst crimes against integrity for doing our best to figure out how the world works, and the world simple not liking what our measurements show. That's being done all the time, and no conservative on this forum seems to care.

Leonhard
05-14-2014, 01:11 PM
I made a minor mistake I meant to write "Though thankfully a lot of conservatives here are for vaccines" I hope that clear from context, otherwise I'd assert the point and then write 'Though thankfully...' and then give the same point again.

Zymologist
05-14-2014, 01:20 PM
I've only accused Epo of being a racist. He'll probably rush in here and agree. I've never accused anyone else of it. Nor of bigotry. Only the things I've encountered here Zymologist.

If you're on board with climate change, I'm sorry, if you believe science education should reflect science, I'm sorry, if you weren't on the birtherism bandwagon by either saying it was reasonable (like Darth Ex does) or by saying it outright (think Donald Trump), I'm sorry, if you were for vaccines, I'm sorry.

Anti-science is part of the course. Most of the conservatives here do reject science on a lot of issues, pollution science because it means coal plants have to be careful of where they dump their sludge, or maybe because restrictions have to be made to industries and conservative policies can't really deal with that. Climate change, because the invisible hand of the market means that the climate can't change, or something like that...

And yes me and many other get routinely accused of the very worst crimes against integrity for doing our best to figure out how the world works, and the world simple not liking what our measurements show. That's being done all the time, and no conservative on this forum seems to care.

Irony? I didn't say you accused me of racism; have you seen any of the other threads?

This is getting ridiculous. If you don't see how what you wrote comes across as rather rude, then I'm not sure what else to say.

I'm also a little bit annoyed at how conservatives who "got on the birtherism bandwagon" but who subsequently changed their minds have no credibility with you. How would this be different than us not taking you seriously because you used to support abortion?

I really don't know why this is irritating me so much. Maybe because it's coming from a brother? I don't know.

And as for your very last comment, conservatives are accused of racism all the time because we're just doing what we think is best (e.g., opposing welfare, which is apparently an extremist and stupid position to hold), and no liberal on this forum seems to care. So we're both guilty, eh?

ETA: FWIW, Leon, we are brothers in Christ, and so have far more in common than not. (Amen?) I'm sorry I got so wound up here; I have thinner skin than I ought.

Carrikature
05-14-2014, 01:39 PM
And as for your very last comment, conservatives are accused of racism all the time because we're just doing what we think is best (e.g., opposing welfare, which is apparently an extremist and stupid position to hold), and no liberal on this forum seems to care. So we're both guilty, eh?

Everyone is doing what they think is best. Doesn't stop people from calling it the loony left or godless left. So yeah...both guilty. Or, at least, those that can't figure out that 'liberals' and 'conservatives' aren't real descriptions are equally guilty. It's possible to be one or the other depending on the specific issue.

One Bad Pig
05-14-2014, 02:22 PM
I talk to One Bad Pig, he denies just about all science if it conflicts with Economic Doctrine. All scientists are part of a grant gaining conspiracy, me included.
:hrm: This is almost completely false. I suspect the rest of your post isn't much more accurate. Perhaps you should think about not making snap judgements about people based on one or two short interactions.

nickcopernicus
05-15-2014, 09:37 PM
The fact that somebody "is a liar" does NOT preclude them from occasionally stating the truth, especially when it suits their purposes. :glare:
Nick:
AFAICT, Every human I've encountered lies; so I guess that means I should assume that people are almost lying, and that they occasionally state the truth when it suits their purposes?

Epoetker
05-15-2014, 10:46 PM
Nick:
AFAICT, Every human I've encountered lies; so I guess that means I should assume that people are almost lying, and that they occasionally state the truth when it suits their purposes?

Depends on how many careerists you have in your organization.

Cow Poke
05-16-2014, 08:23 AM
I made a minor mistake I meant to write "Though thankfully a lot of conservatives here are for vaccines" I hope that clear from context, otherwise I'd assert the point and then write 'Though thankfully...' and then give the same point again.

I really don't understand.. is THIS the thread where you "blasted me", carried it over into Shoutbox, then issued an apology? I'm really confused about all that.

Zymologist
05-16-2014, 08:26 AM
Nick:
AFAICT, Every human I've encountered lies; so I guess that means I should assume that people are almost lying, and that they occasionally state the truth when it suits their purposes?

I think you mean "almost always lying," otherwise that sounds funny.

Cow Poke
05-16-2014, 08:42 AM
Nick:
AFAICT, Every human I've encountered lies; so I guess that means I should assume that people are almost lying, and that they occasionally state the truth when it suits their purposes?

When somebody is on the stage as a national leader, and promises to oversee "the most transparent administration", yet constantly seems to twist the facts to his own purposes, when much of what he says is DEMONSTRABLY FALSE, it's safe, IMOHBAO, to say he's a "liar". On the other hand, a man who fudges on the "does this dress make my butt look big" question --- not so much. :smug:

Epoetker
05-16-2014, 09:01 AM
When somebody is on the stage as a national leader, and promises to oversee "the most transparent administration", yet constantly seems to twist the facts to his own purposes, when much of what he says is DEMONSTRABLY FALSE, it's safe, IMOHBAO, to say he's a "liar". On the other hand, a man who fudges on the "does this dress make my butt look big" question --- not so much. :smug:

Who plays the role of the hectoring wife in the first example?

One Bad Pig
05-16-2014, 09:06 AM
I really don't understand.. is THIS the thread where you "blasted me", carried it over into Shoutbox, then issued an apology? I'm really confused about all that.
I'm fairly certain it is.

Cow Poke
05-16-2014, 09:10 AM
I'm fairly certain it is.

OK, as near as I can understand it, part of the problem came from my first comment where I, like others, failed to notice the "it" reference to a person. For the record, I CERTAINLY don't agree with calling a person an "it", and the person who said that has apologized.

Was that my "offense"?