GrayPilgrim
March 14th 2003, 01:48 AM
In this thread I want to work on an exegesis of this passage. As the originator I am asking that any and all responses deal with these eight verses and try to explicate their meaning. Two, this is not a debate thread, if you desire to debate something please start a separate thread this is for the reading and meditation on this passage.
I came across it in preparation for my Bible Study tomorrow evening. Please read the text first. I add this reminder, b/c I know how easy it is to skim and not let the text speak.
1 Peter 4:12-19 12 Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. 13 But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. 14 If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. 16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. 17 For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 And "If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?" 19 Therefore let those who suffer according to God's will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.
I will start with a question that I thought of today while reading this text:
Okay we are returning to the theme of Christian suffering/suffering for righteousness. What puzzled me is how to understand, "For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God..." What relation does judgment have with suffering for the sake of righteousness, not suffering for misdeeds? Or am I reading hits wrong? I lean towards the latter as I see righteous suffering is not viewed as judgment on the church elsewhere. But even still how does it fit in the context here?
Thank you for making hits a discussion and working on the exegesis of this passage and not a debate.
GP
I came across it in preparation for my Bible Study tomorrow evening. Please read the text first. I add this reminder, b/c I know how easy it is to skim and not let the text speak.
1 Peter 4:12-19 12 Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. 13 But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. 14 If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. 16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. 17 For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 And "If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?" 19 Therefore let those who suffer according to God's will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.
I will start with a question that I thought of today while reading this text:
Okay we are returning to the theme of Christian suffering/suffering for righteousness. What puzzled me is how to understand, "For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God..." What relation does judgment have with suffering for the sake of righteousness, not suffering for misdeeds? Or am I reading hits wrong? I lean towards the latter as I see righteous suffering is not viewed as judgment on the church elsewhere. But even still how does it fit in the context here?
Thank you for making hits a discussion and working on the exegesis of this passage and not a debate.
GP