The casting out of Satan

[NonTrinitarian]

When do Preterists think Rev 12:7-12 was fulfilled and what was the fulfillment?

Thanks

[studyhound]

When do Preterists think Rev 12:7-12 was fulfilled and what was the fulfillment?

Thanks
I am a Preterist, but this vision in the Revelation I saee more symbolicly of the birth death and resurrection of Christ, and the victory his Kingdom HE rules over has over the kingdom of satan and his angels.

But here is where it happened (this is one of the past events (from John's prescetive) that John had seeen. Rev. 1:19)

Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven.

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[NonTrinitarian]

I am a Preterist, but this vision in the Revelation I saee more symbolicly of the birth death and resurrection of Christ, and the victory his Kingdom HE rules over has over the kingdom of satan and his angels.

But here is where it happened (this is one of the past events (from John's prescetive) that John had seeen. Rev. 1:19)

Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven.

:studyhound:
Thanks for your explanation. I don't agree that this is something John was speaking about that he already saw years earlier. After it says Satan was cast down John said he heard a voice from heaven... (Rev 12:10) Rev 12 also starts out as a "sign" on which more signs were seen as well (verse 3). I don't think John is telling us about an earlier heavenly vision and and early time when he heard voices from heaven.

But either way, what is the "short period" of time Satan was in? (Rev 12:12)

Thanks

[studyhound]

Thanks for your explanation. I don't agree that this is something John was speaking about that he already saw years earlier. After it says Satan was cast down John said he heard a voice from heaven... (Rev 12:10) Rev 12 also starts out as a "sign" on which more signs were seen as well (verse 3). I don't think John is telling us about an earlier heavenly vision and and early time when he heard voices from heaven.



But either way, what is the "short period" of time Satan was in? (Rev 12:12)



Thanks





Ok let me do a running overview of the chapter and I will answer your points as I go:



12.1,2 Is a description of Israel the one who brought Jesus to the world this is a symbolic view of “her”.



This “sign” is just perhaps another way of saying that what was seen was a vision, or that this is a affirmation of Christ and his ministry. Because the sign is the woman, Israel.





12.3,4 This is Satan, Satan is often portrayed as a dragon, in verse four is commonly where we see Satan leading a third of the angels in their fall.



12.5,6 Verse 5 is a description of Jesus, his authority and position as king and God. Verse 6 is the preservation of the true remnant until the time of reveling of the kingdom of God. That takes place in the next section.



12.7-9 This I believe is a symbolic of the early ministry of Jesus and the apostles; Satan’s casting down was what took place in Luke 10.18.



12.10-13 In verse ten here is the death and resurrection of Christ and his victory over Satan. Also we see the victory of the believer in Christ over the power of Satan (verse 11). In verse 12 Satan sees he has a short time, his short time may be to attack the woman, who is the true remnant, the church, specifically the church in Jerusalem. Satan’s time here was short because the Church in Jerusalem was only around in full strength for a few years, specifically till the time of the stoning of Stephen. Then the church was in another form till the time of just before the siege.



12.14-17 Here we have the Church in Jerusalem fleeing the siege as per Jesus warning, (Luke 21.20,21) and they were preserved by fleeing to the wilderness. During the three and half year (or a time and times and half of a time) war with the Jews. Then Satan “flooded” Israel with the war and would of killed all in the land if God had not preserved the saints (see Mat 24:22). In verse 17 we see Satan go to make war with the rest of “the woman’s” children, the offspring of the first church in Jerusalem, the gentile churches.





Just a quick overview I am also working on a commentary for the symbols of Revelation (chapters 9-19) So I will be giving the individual symbols more in put as I get to them. I hope I cover your questions.



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[NonTrinitarian]

Thanks. It's an interesting viewpoint but you answered my question. I assume that is a viewpoint most Preterist hold too.

[kofh2u]

The woman is very much Israel, but much more, too.

The woman with the crown of 12 diadem clothed in Sun and moon is a repeat of former symbolize.
You will remember that Joseph had the same dream, but it was prophetic on a number of levels.

Joseph dreamed of eleven stars, that was before the birth of his brother, Ben.

The mystery of the hidden manna of Rev 2:5, this symbolism in Rev12, and the verses in Genesis to which I allude are all connected.