Mispercetions on Atheism: Rape

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, what do you think about rape?

This poll is in response to Rightidea's claim (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=463343&postcount=20) that the atheists he's met think rape isn't inherently wrong.

[Minnesota]

Spelled backwards it's, "epar."

[C. D. Ward]

This poll is in response to Rightidea's claim (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=463343&postcount=20) that the atheists he's met think rape isn't inherently wrong.
Well, it's obvious of course. RI simply hasn't met any real atheists, only compromising "atheians"...

[jason]

Well, what do you think about rape?

This poll is in response to Rightidea's claim (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=463343&postcount=20) that the atheists he's met think rape isn't inherently wrong.Your creating a false dilemma.

That someone does not think rape is inherently wrong does not mean that they would rape.

And to be honest, I think it is just many atheists being consistent with a relativism they have swallowed.

If there are no moral absolutes then you cannot say rape is absolutely wrong.

It follows logically.

Jason

Jason, this area is for non-theists only.

[Chuck Lee]

The issue lies with the inherent/objective/absolute aspect of the argument. I think just about everyone can agree that rape is wrong.

RI was pointing out that for many of those who take a moral relativist position, there is nothing inherently wrong with rape. But that doesn't mean they think rape isn't wrong, only that they think there isn't some authoritive standard out there somewhere for humans establishing an objective moral rule on the subject.

I'll take the fact that practically everybody (including myself) feels rape is wrong to conclude that rape is inherently/objectively/absolutely wrong (at least for all intents and purposes).

[Gilgaron]

Well, it's obvious of course. RI simply hasn't met any real atheists, only compromising "atheians"...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[EvoUK]

Go to an atheist board and ask the same question (actually, better yet, look up in their history because they're bound to get questions like that at least once a month). You'll probably get a wider response.

[Jimmy Higgins]

RI was pointing out that for many of those who take a moral relativist position, there is nothing inherently wrong with rape. But that doesn't mean they think rape isn't wrong, only that they think there isn't some authoritive standard out there somewhere for humans establishing an objective moral rule on the subject.
But who the f*ck cares about an authoritive standard? Rape is wrong. It is established. Do unto others as you would yourself! Its that damn easy.

I think that line of argument is just stupid. I can't stand it when theists can't bare, or more probably want, to understand how atheists can have morals.

Watch the language, Jimmy. You know better.

[EvoUK]

The point made in the thread is certainly an absurd one. "Atheists don't believe in an objective morality *gasp*!"

I very much doubt that RI found any atheists who found no problem with rape- much less thousands of them. However, RI worded the question in such a way that it only applies to people who believe in an objective moralty.

[Jimmy Higgins]

The point made in the thread is certainly an absurd one. "Atheists don't believe in an objective morality *gasp*!"

I very much doubt that RI found any atheists who found no problem with rape- much less thousands of them. However, RI worded the question in such a way that it only applies to people who believe in an objective moralty.

Well he's said he's found one thousand that have. If he says it, it must be true. :ahem:

Yes, it is true that atheists don't have a tablet that we worship that reads rape is wrong. But what does that matter? Some people want so badly for us atheists to be bad people.

[Gilgaron]

Well he's said he's found one thousand that have. If he says it, it must be true. :ahem:

Yes, it is true that atheists don't have a tablet that we worship that reads rape is wrong. But what does that matter? Some people want so badly for us atheists to be bad people.
But if they're atheists, then he doesn't even have to ask them because they can't believe it is bad without an objective foundation for morality.

Hmm.. I seem to get cranky and sarcastic when I post too much in Apologetics.

[Jimmy Higgins]

But if they're atheists, then he doesn't even have to ask them because they can't believe it is bad without an objective foundation for morality.

Hmm.. I seem to get cranky and sarcastic when I post too much in Apologetics.

I understand entirely. It can be enraging to hear such, for lack of a more precise word, idiotic argument. Atheists don't believe in a god and therefore have no basis for a moral authority. Well what about common law?! I swear, some people like Rightidea want so bad for atheists to be immoral, because if atheists can be moral, their dogma dies off.

[EvoUK]

I swear, some people like Rightidea want so bad for atheists to be immoral, because if atheists can be moral, their dogma dies off.

What effect would it have on their dogma? People don't have to be moral to get into heaven- just believers. How does morality effect a belief system set up as a reward for believers and punishment for non-believers?

[VazScep]

Well, what do you think about rape?

This poll is in response to Rightidea's claim (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=463343&postcount=20) that the atheists he's met think rape isn't inherently wrong.I don't think rape is inherently wrong any more than chocolate is inherently tasty. However, I most certainly abhor rape and I most certainly like chocolate.

It would be more interesting and productive if you'd stuck with RightIdea's original claim and not written the negative in such a way that no one on this forum would select it.

[BeHereNow]

I voted for No, because I do try to rape someone at least once a month.

But really, rape isn't inherently wrong. No moral/ethical judgment is inherently anything, because it can't exist outside the social context.

[Seasanctuary]

Hold up, people. You CAN'T say that morals are just strong feelings that something is bad.

"Why's that?"

Because I have STRONG FEELINGS that things are bad!

[EvoUK]

And what are those "strong feelings" based on? They our evolutionary instincts. Yes it is an emotional responce- no that doesn't make it a weaker position. Try looking up rationalist on the objective morality thread- he explains it more clearly than I can.

[BeHereNow]

And what are those "strong feelings" based on? They our evolutionary instincts. Yes it is an emotional responce- no that doesn't make it a weaker position. Try looking up rationalist on the objective morality thread- he explains it more clearly than I can.

Sometimes "strong feelings" are social training. In fact, I'd argue that most of the time that's what it is.