The Ring

[graceinme]

Ok we finally watched the Ring last night. Yes it was a scary movie, but it was not the scariest movie. So the big question was.....Was Samara evil because her parents did something evil to conceive her? In the movie it just said they went away and came back with her. I was wondering if the book said what they did to conceive her. What made her Evil?


List of movies scarier than the Ring:
The Exorcist I
Hell Raiser
Event Horizon
Friday the 13th III

[Epoetker]

Made some horrible deal/sacrifice/bargain when they went to Japan, judging by the letters and documents in that little file. Inevitable sequel Will Explain All.

[graceinme]

Thanks!








:gim: Love Grace

[Pilgrim]

Hey, how come she gets a pet already? I thougt it took 500 spam points?

[yxboom]

cause she is pretty and cooks me dinner :hrm:

[Xmansmommy]

:rofl:

[Pilgrim]

Well there you have it them. I was wondering though, since we have her as a Super Mod, could I be a "quasi super mod?" I just like to say that word...quasi, quasi, quasi.

[Faramir]

Today @ 09:52 AM
Pilgrim:

Well there you have it them. I was wondering though, since we have her as a Super Mod, could I be a "quasi super mod?" I just like to say that word...quasi, quasi, quasi.

quasi mod?

That names rings a bell.


:eww:

[Ryokan]

quasi quasi quasi smock smock smock bacon bacon bacon spam spam :spam:

[Faramir]

quasi banana

:yipee:

[Pilgrim]

burp

[Piebald]

Yes, he is right about Samara, though the asian characters/letters that Noah finds in Samara's record are actually Chinese, If I recall correctly.

They are a perscription of sorts for purging one's self. One theory is that Samara is the evil that was in her mother. That when she went to see the man that was overseas he literally 'purged' her of evil in the form of the conception of Samara.

In the Japanese version it says that Sadako (Samara)'s father is literally the sea... though that is rather enigmatic. Samara certainly seems connected with water. You'll notice that whenever someone's time is up water starts dripping...

[yxboom]

The Sea in near and far east religions represents chaos, disorder and destruction.

[mattbballman19]

Maybe I was taking it too literally. I thought that Samara 'couldn't stop' because it was in her nature to avenge her mother's murder on any and everyone who views the video. By making a copy of the video, you seemed to come to terms with what she was trying to prove, and therefore you don't succumb to the penalty of death, as a result of the viewing.

I got one question on the theory of Samara being the evilness which was inherent in her mother. What do you consider to be the explanation of the scene in which it shows the mother actually killing Samara in the supposed real world? What the scene symbolic? I guess the consequence of this theory would entail that the mother killed herself because of the evil she purged from herself. But wouldn't this be a good thing?

So, I would guess that the reason Samara was evil was because of a transformation of her nature a result of a mallicious/pre-meditated/unreasonable manslaughter into pure, and uninhibited revenge/payback, which is, irresistible in its appetite. She had an appetite for destruction for all the Guns n' Roses fans out there. Just Kidding.

Well, there my two sense.

matt

[yxboom]

Samara was evil and caused terrible things prior to her demise in the well. She was committed to hospitals to get rid of her. I got lost when if she was committed then how did her mother kill her back on the island? :huh:

[graceinme]

Sweet little Samara!

http://www.peninsulaclarion.com/images/102102/ring.jpg

[mattbballman19]

Hmmm.

I thought that the scences involving the 'assylum' like setting we're a product of the mind of the tortured Samara. It was some kind of visual testimony to the morbit activities of her mind subsequent to her hanus murder. When the doctors were stressing for her to stop, I would say the doctors represented some kind of small, redemptive conscience still calling for a sort of reasonable cessation of her unreasonable actions involving the murders that are enacted upon as a result of the viewing of the 'dreaded' tape. This might provide a sufficient explanation to how the girl was able to be killed outside of the 'assylum', since no literal assylum actually existed. I don't think this would hold, though, since the father walked up behind the woman as she was viewing the footage. I don't know. Maybe the video containing the assylum footage has an unknown origin as well! This is pure, but fun, speculation, however.

matt

[yxboom]

But the pschyologist attested to the fact that she was sent to an asylum. The journalist was watching the footage of Samara being questioned by the doctors and her father came and blasted the journalist so he actually possessed this asylum footage which was in line with the psychologists words. Including the fact that Noah went to said asylum looking for the videotape and found it was missing. So the video was available.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Well guys, I just watched the move tonight. And then of course when the movie was done what did I do? I went to the computer to check my messages.... and what happened? The phone next to my computer immediately rang. And rang. And rang. And I refused to pick it up.... and my husband is hollering for me to pick it up, and I refuse. And it rang, and rang. So finally I got my lazy butt up to look at the caller ID and it was my husband calling on his cell phone from under the blanket. Bad, bad!!!

[mattbballman19]

Do you think that maybe Samara was temporarily released, by request of the parent(s), so that the mother could carry out the inevitable?

[Epoetker]

Note: File said treatment failed, girl released. At least as I remember.

[mattbballman19]

:idea: If your right that would explain alot! :brow:

[yxboom]

I have read the Ringu ending was far superior in that the climax being built around Noah's death was completely interrupted with the girl trying to save him. The original japanese movie continued the suspense of his death and made for a much more fantastic ending. I for one was let down in I see the point in that it would have been a absolutely grand ending if it had not kept switching to the girl and just kept it on Noah's fight or not with Samara. That would have been awesome. I mean after all the whole movie built up to that one scene and they kept interrupting it!


Today @ 07:29 PM located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=43328#post43328)
Epoetker:

Note: File said treatment failed, girl released. At least as I remember.
I can't recall as I only saw it once but I would conceed to that.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Fine ignore me everyone.

[graceinme]

Boom, ROFLOL when he read your post DDW. So did I.:rofl:

[yxboom]

Today @ 08:28 PM located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=43378#post43378)
Dee Dee Warren:

Fine ignore me everyone.
C'mon what you said was :lol: but kinda killed the flow.

[graceinme]

So, what do you guys think would make her stop? She liked doing bad things, so even if everyone in the world viewed her video, she would still want to kill people, right? So what do you think could stop her? Possibly the sorcerer who helped her mom to conceive?

[Sher]

Bad, bad!!! Does he read this forum (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=36896#post36896)? :lol:

[Piebald]

Yes, Samara was eventually released from the asylum (I think at the request of her father)... I believe that's when she was put up in the barn where the horses lived. Her only friend being a little television set ("The Ring" had some commentary on the importance of TV in our lives)

Dee Dee, that's nothing! As I've mentioned before since I am taking this medication I have 'waking dreams' (waking up in the middle of the night and seeing things in the room) -- one of the first ones I had was of Samara standing by my computer. I rolled over in bed, and she was standing on the other side!

Now that's freaky!

I have a copy of the cursed video on my computer, too. I let a friend watch it, and then after it was over, the phone rang...

... I'd dialed the home number with the cell phone concealed in my pocket ;-)

Sweet Little Samara....

[Piebald]

what do you guys think would make her stop? She liked doing bad things, so even if everyone in the world viewed her video, she would still want to kill people, right? So what do you think could stop her?

I think Aiden (the little boy) was right.

His mother thought she had finally laid her soul to rest... but

She Never Sleeps

"It won't stop"

See, it's kind of non-explicit in the movie, but Samara wants her pain and suffering to circulate throughout the whole world, like a bad disease. Remember what the female doctor of the island said? That when one person on the island gets a cold, the whole island gets it?

And Also what Samara's father said? That Reporters make everyone experience the suffering of others, or something to that effect?

Samara's goal is to force the world to experience her tragedy. If they refuse to pass on the 'plague', they are killed.

Not only that, but experiencing Samara's videotape causes long-term effects even if you don't die, if the remake goes the way of the original Japanese film.

[mattbballman19]

I got one question:

Why is the Samara that is climbing out of the TV so tall! When Samara was smothered and tossed in the well, she was just a little, cute girl. Wouldn't that mean that the Samara climbing out of the TV would still be the same body size? Is there somekind of body enhancing chemical which would effect her size? Is it just a sort of opitical effect which would be inherent in the fact that she came from TV world, to the real world? The process of the transition didn't take into account proportionality? They just seem like two different people, quanitatively speaking. The girl which climbs out of the well during the film's frightening climax looks more like the girl at the beginning of the movie with the long, black, straight hair. She was the one who was with the first girl who was the first to go. Hey, wait a minute! Where the heck did that long, black-haired girl go while all the things that were going on at the beginning of the movie? She was no where to be seen! Her friend was calling out for her but there was no answer. Does the whole environmental context change, with regard to normal sensery stimulation (hearing, smelling, etc. . .)? When the TV is activated to carry out its twisted ends, does it have some kind of special control over how the surroundings are affected, whether it be persons, places, or things? I'll stop there.

matt

[yxboom]

First her being tall .....who knows. Second I had my questions about the girl in the beginning of the movie but apparently it was better answered when you are hexed your pictures are funky the video cameras are affected so i think a person who is NOT hexed can't relate to the person who is. Something gets distorted like you can witness it but not partake. So I speculate the girl who ended up in the mental institution witnessed what happened to the girl who was killed without being involved herself. It would have been like she saw Samara coming out but was bypassed which would explain her silence.

[Piebald]

speculate the girl who ended up in the mental institution witnessed what happened to the girl who was killed without being involved herself. It would have been like she saw Samara coming out but was bypassed which would explain her silence.

That is precisely what happened. Actually just being around Samara has similar effects to the tape. This was explained in the sequel which the whole "Becca at the Asylum" scene was lifted from. The Japanese sequel, I mean.

Appended Post:

Why is the Samara that is climbing out of the TV so tall! When Samara was smothered and tossed in the well, she was just a little, cute girl. Wouldn't that mean that the Samara climbing out of the TV would still be the same body size?

There are a few theories about that:

1. Samara was still aging inside the well, 'spiritually'. This is the route that the original Japanese movies took

2. Samara looks big because the TV she came out of was big

3. It's just tricky camera work

I think three is the best bet. Samara is supposed to be an overwhelming presence, maybe the director felt this might be hard to do if she was depicted as a really small girl.

[graceinme]

So nothing will stop Sweet little Samara!:shrug:

[Piebald]

Nope, nothing!

Unless something is revealed in the American Sequel...

[graceinme]

They better reveal something!!!:bawl: I watched the video.

[graceinme]

I have until 10:00 tonight. Goodbye cruel sweet world.:bawl:

[yxboom]

03-18-2003 @ 07:54 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=38837#post38837)
graceinme:

Ok we finally watched the Ring last night.

It is the 25th which is exactly 1 day late. :eek: :eek: :eek:

[graceinme]

Oh yeah, we made DDW watch the video.:doh:

[graceinme]

Ok DDW you are still alive too. Who did you make watch the movie?

[graceinme]

You know what? The Movie The Ring sucked!!!!! Nobody I know had Samara visit them. I personally would have like to seen the sweet little thing to give her a hug.

[Piebald]

You know what? The Movie The Ring sucked!!!!! Nobody I know had Samara visit them

[graceinme]

Oh my goodness, I can't stop laughing!!!!!!!!!!! So what do you think would happen it I did this to Samara?:poke:

[graceinme]

Or how about this?:whack:

[djnoz]

If you think the ring is shocking or scary, check out battle royale. That earns 5 :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: from me... for a Japanese film. Not for the faint hearted.

The Thing, that was the scariest Western effort I ever saw. It is terrible suspense mixed with sudden graphic violence. It works, and that has made it famous.

[yxboom]

Hamster sure has been quiet lately....

[graceinme]

Better look behind you Hamster.:eek:

[Piebald]

Hahahahahaahahaha!!

[Dilton]

The main purpose of the tape is to allow Samara to kind of come back and use the victim as a kind of nest, or womb.

Each victim of Samara that dies and stays in that condition after being attacked by her, gives her a chance to be reborn again.

[Piebald]

Each victim of Samara that dies and stays in that condition after being attacked by her, gives her a chance to be reborn again.


If the American remake follows the Japanese version, yes :smile:

[Dilton]

Yes you´re right, but let´s assume that it will follow the japanese version just so that the plot does not get more complex as it is.

[dawnghost]

I hope it doesn't follow the japanese storyline.

all the sequels made after Ringu were a disaster! and apart from Samara's eye, the american version was superior in every way.

*btw, will the soundtrack for The Ring be released?*

anyway, if you want to know EVERYTHING about The Ring, I'd recommend ringworld (http://ringworld.somrux.com/)

[Piebald]

Yup, Ringworld rocks.

Yeah, the Japanese sequels get kind of flakey with trying to explain Samara's curse through science. It works better as a supernatural thriller, IMHO.

I would love to be able to purchase the soundtrack...

/me sings "Sun goes up, we all sigh, Sun goes down, we laugh and die. Here we go the world keeps spinning, when it stops it's just beginning"

[dawnghost]

Today @ 04:16 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=86888#post86888)
Hamster:
Yeah, the Japanese sequels get kind of flakey with trying to explain Samara's curse through science. It works better as a supernatural thriller, IMHO.
YES YES YES! boy oh boy, you just earned a pearl for that!

[Piebald]

LOL, thanks. I think the Pearl system is down though

[dawnghost]

wait! I can't give ya a pearl??

"You've made too many transfers with this user!"

uh??? :shocked:

[dawnghost]

Today @ 04:21 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=86892#post86892)
Hamster:

LOL, thanks. I think the Pearl system is down though

hahaha ok, I see.

well, I owe you one.

:cheers:

[Piebald]

Apparently there is a movie called "The Shaft" which is connected to the Ring in some way. I saw it at the Fangoria website. Not connected plot-wise, but might take some jabs at it (in a light-hearted way, I would imagine)

Even the title-logo for "The Shaft" is a copy of "The Ring"'s logo! Same actress screaming and everything!

http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/contrib/ruinkai/peepwallA.gif

[dawnghost]

Today @ 04:40 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=86909#post86909)
Hamster:
Apparently there is a movie called "The Shaft" which is connected to the Ring in some way. I saw it at the Fangoria website. Not connected plot-wise, but might take some jabs at it (in a light-hearted way, I would imagine)

Even the title-logo for "The Shaft" is a copy of "The Ring"'s logo! Same actress screaming and everything!

http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/contrib/ruinkai/peepwallA.gif

huh? that's odd. where did you see it?

btw, that smiley coming out of the well rules hahahaha! :lol:

[Epoetker]

Should that well be the official Hamster smiley?

[Piebald]

I think this is probably more appropriate:

http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/otn/happy/pain3.gif

[dawnghost]

Today @ 05:03 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=86931#post86931)
Hamster:

I think this is probably more appropriate:

http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/otn/happy/pain3.gif

and why would that... gay smiley be more appropriate? :hrm:

[Piebald]

It's not gay, it's festive

http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/otn/funny/twitch.gif

[dawnghost]

alright then

it's 'festive'.

*note to self*: festive is a nice term, and it's politically correct.

[dawnghost]

woohoooo!!

100 posts!!!!!

:yipee: :yipee: :yipee: :yipee: :yipee:

[efta777]

So I suppose I should mention here that I found out last week that the girl who played Samara lives in my town. That really freaked me out at first, but now I want to find her and meet her. Much of The Ring was also filmed around my town in Washington. The ferry that the girl takes (The one with the horse) is the one I used to take every day to work, though that island doesn't exist. Also, when she is driving to the ferry to go to the island there is a helicopter shot of a really tall bridge - that's the Deception Pass bridge and it's one of my favorite places to go hiking. Anyway, just thought everyone would be interested to know that.

[geebob]

I really liked the ring video, not the whole movie but just the video that you're supposed to watch and then die (not that I didn't think the whole movie was good). It's freaky. So where did that thing come from? any theories?

Hamster, If I had your waking dream experience, I don't think I'd ever watch a horror movie again.

The ring didn't bother me much though and I think it's because I watched with my brother and his girlfriend. But for some reason, horror movies recently have been bothering me. I got freaked out watching dragonfly. DRAGONFLY IS FAMILY HORROR FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!! For example, the part where that little bald black boy whos a cancer patient pops his eyes open, that really freaked me out. I rewound the tape and played it in slow motion AND IT FREAKED ME OUT! I geuss I'm turning into a wuss. OF course I will always watch anything Manoj Shamalan puts out. He's awsome!

[yxboom]

So you really dug Signs huh. :poke:

[geebob]

yes even inspite of it's cheesy theological deterministic bent. It was well meaning. bless his heart anyway.

[graceinme]

Hay efta777 why don't you ask Samara on a date?