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Ezraarah
March 8th 2004, 03:42 AM
Ques: What kind of influence did the Roman lifestyle have on Paul?
Ans: Paul grew strong and loyal to the Roman Empire. At the age of twenty years (30 A.D.) he attended the Rabbinical School of the Pharisees (Acts 26:4-5) and was taught by a doctor of the law named Gamaliel (Acts 5:34, 22:3). ...Gamaliel was the grandson of Hillel, a Sanhedrin and teacher of the Messiah Jesus, whose fondness of Jesus made the two inseperable during the time they spent together. Gamaliel had the same liberal feelings as his grandfather concerning the disciples. When the disciples were brought in front of the Council of Sanhedrin, Gamaliel supported them and turned the vote in their favor. So, they were released (Acts 5:38-39)...These men kept a “reformed” form of the Laws Of Moses, as well as working hand in hand with the Roman Empire, keeping the Judahites now referred to as “Jews” from revolting against the Emperor. It was this era of “church and state” environment that Paul was raised.

They’re all wolves in sheep’s clothing (Matthew 7:15). The government of “Rome” rules them. Rome restricts your laws socially, religiously, educationally, etc. They only seek their own gain or think that they will. This is why they always fail, the truth will not let them prevail (John 8:32, Revelation 19:19).

Ques: So what made Paul such a fierce persecutor if his teacher was a supporter of the disciples of the Messiah Jesus?

Ans: Paul became a fanatic. Remember Paul grew up to be very loyal to the State Of Rome. You know how you felt about America, land of opportunity, before you found out the truth. Some of you ran to the recruiting office to sign up in order to fight for your country. So, you know how Paul felt about his country. All he thought about was the Roman Empire. He was very educated in Roman and Judaic law (Acts 22:2-5). ...Paul being very firm in his beliefs was always ready to defend his country whether it was wrong or right. Despite the liberal influences of Gamaliel, Paul’s fanatical attitude gained him leadership of all those who sought to persecute the disciples of Jesus Christ. He gained increased popularity with the Pharisees and Sadducees. In the year 34 A.D. Paul was given authorization from the Council of Sanhedrin to go from Jerusalem, to Judea as far north as Damascus, Syria on a hunt to bring disciples of the Messiah Jesus back to Jerusalem (Acts 8:1-3, 9:1-2, 26:10-11)...Galatians 1:13-14: “For you have heard of my conversation in time past in the Judahites religion how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of the Thehos (Elohim) and destroyed it and I profit in the Judahite religion above many of my equals in my own nation of Gentiles being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.''..“For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews’ religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: And profited in the Jews’ religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.''...Ques: Why were the Disciples of the Messiah Jesus so fiercely hated by Paul and the Council of the Sanhedrin?

Ans: They hated them because Jesus constantly told the Pharisees and the Sadducees that they were “concealors of what they know to be true” (Matthew 23:25, 27-28).

They have fabricated their own versions to the point where the laws and customs are no longer followed in the same manner as Jesus Christ taught (Matthew 23:5).
Ques: Is that sect of the Judahite persecuted?
Ans: They are not the persecuted. They are the persecutors! What fools these mortals are. Because they think they are right, they will kill you! This is the part that Paul and all of you Pauls of today play. The devil, got ino Paul’s chest through telepathic methods and whispered suggestions and possessed him! He controlled Paul in so much as that he thought he was defending his beliefs for a good cause. So Paul became the leader of the persecutors of the Disciples. ...You can find this happening with the followers of the Koran. They are so busy trying to protect the Koran, Muhammad son of Abdullat and Amina, and their God called Allah. If the authenticity, validity of any of these three are questioned, or have your own opinion or feel you don’t accept every word of their self-styled leadership, you will immediately be threatened with murder and violence without a chance for explanation.


Paul’s mission in Damascus, Syria . (http://factology.com/paul/damascus.jpg) was in pursuit of the Disciples of Jesus Christ. This would be the beginning of his so-called discipleship.


Ques: How could Paul turn from a strong opposer of Jesus to one of his disciples?


Ans: That’s a good question and the answer is simple. Paul never was a disciple of Jesus! How do I know? According to Paul, Jesus chose him as his instrument for carrying his teachings to the Gentiles who were not of the House of Israel (Acts 9:15-16). Paul’s acclaimed vision is the only evidence Paul could produce for his bid for the leadership of the new church Paul woul raise. No wonder the Jews were highly skeptical about the whole claim and would not listen to him. Let’s take a look in the Bible where Paul contradicts himself three times. This is the behavior of a liar. A liar has to repeat his lie two or more times with each version differing from the next until he ultimately proves himself a liar. He eventually reveals the truth he was trying to hide all along....


Contradiction One:


Acts 9:4-7: “And he fell down on that planet and heard a voice saying to him Saul, Saul why did you persecute me and he said who are you master; and the master said I am Jesus whom you persecuted it is hard for you to kick against the point. And he trembling and astonished said the master what will you have me to do? And the master said to him arise and go into the city and it shall be told to you what you must do. And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless hearing a voice but seen no man.'' ,,,And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man...In the above quote, Paul first says that he alone fell to the ground (Earth) and then he proceeds to say that the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. ...


Contradiction Two:
Acts 22:7-9: “And I fell onto the ground and heard a voice saying to me Saul, Saul why are you persecuting me? And I answered who are you master and he said to me. I am Jesus of Nazareth whom you persecute. And they that were with me saw surely the force of light,. And were afraid but did not hear the voice of him that spoke to me. ..And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest. And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.'...Now, in this quote Paul says he alone fell to the ground. He proceeds to say that the men who were with him, saw the light, but heard not the voice of him who spoke. ...But he had just said in Acts 9:4-7, “those who journeyed with him, heard a voice, but saw not a man!”
We now go to Acts 26:13-14 to find the third contradiction. At this point, Paul is defending himself before King Agrippa; ..
Contradiction Three:
Acts 26:13-14: “At midday o ruler I saw in the way a force of light from the sky above the brightness of the halo shining around me and them which were traveling with me. And when we were all fallen down on that part of the planet Earth I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in a Hebrew dialect Saul, Saul, why did you persecute me? It's hard for you to kick against the sticks.' ..At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.''..Paul just said in Acts 9:4-7, and 22:7-9 that only he fell to the ground! ..After we listen to Paul’s contradictions, it makes it very difficult to believe that Paul..And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And I said, Who art thohad a vision. Paul is a liar and his own words confirm it (Romans 3:7)!

Having the behavior of a liar, as usual, Paul continued to prove himself a liar. In none of the other quotes had he said that Jesus spoke to him in the Hebrew tongue! However, in the following quote, Acts 26:16, Paul says that Jesus appeared to him to make him a minister. Is this why Paul thought he was supposed to be a disciple?

Acts 26:14-16: “And when we were all fallen down on that part of the planet Earth I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in a Hebrew dialect Saul Saul why did you persecute me? It’s hard for you to kick against the sticks. And I said who are you master and he said I am Jesus whom you persecute. ...But rise and stand upon your feet for I have appeared to you for this purpose to make you a servant and a witness both of these things which you have seen and of those things which I will make appear for you.” .Having the behavior of a liar, as usual, Paul continued to prove himself a liar. In none of the other quotes had he said that Jesus spoke to him in the

dizzle
March 8th 2004, 06:06 AM
Ez, your beliefs are not those of the historic Christian faith, thus, we ask that you not post in Christianity201, and this thread has been moved. Please read applicable forum guidelines before posting.

Ezraarah
March 27th 2004, 11:27 PM
Ez, your beliefs are not those of the historic Christian faith, thus, we ask that you not post in Christianity201, and this thread has been moved. Please read applicable forum guidelines before posting.


I Have Been Reading Some Of Threads And I Can OverStand Why You Fear The Knowldge I Have . Because The Others You Call YourSelf Debateing . Also See The Sillyness In Your Answer .

GhostontheNet
March 28th 2004, 12:03 AM
Oh no, Christians at this forum never read the Comparative Religions section, perpetually paranoid post flooder. You seem to confuse moderator actions with censorship, I have a swell suprise for you; your posts are untouched. Your material that the leadership is supposedly so afraid of is untampered with.

Ezraarah
March 29th 2004, 01:14 AM
Oh no, Christians at this forum never read the Comparative Religions section, perpetually paranoid post flooder. You seem to confuse moderator actions with censorship, I have a swell suprise for you; your posts are untouched. Your material that the leadership is supposedly so afraid of is untampered with.
I Notice You Have Jump On The < Blind / seer > Wagon , I Use The Word Blind Because You People Pick And Chose What Part Of The Bible You Want To Believe And Accept . When You Should Read The Whole Bible If You Say You Believe In It . So That Tell Me Your Also A Paulite = FollowerPaul Be Yet You Say You Follow Yashua , As Of Yet [ None ] Of You On Here Has Be Able To Prove And Thing I Have Post . I Have You People So Scare Of What I Post little dee dee Move My Post , And Say I'm Not Following The Guide Line . And Thats So Far From The Truth It All Most Sad . She Even When So Far As To Out Right Lie And Say She Saw My Knowldge Or Another Site < What A Joke > You People So Scare Of Me You Try To Find Any Mistake In My Posting . But As Of You You Haven't Be Able To With Chapter & Verse , Even little dee dde Made A Mistake By Saying That I Rise To Many Question . That Gose To Show How Weak The Things That Are Being Posted . You Would Think Out Of All The Ones Who Are Crying About What I Post . Would Try To Find One Whole Brain Among You Or Even A Half One And Try To Disprove What I Saying Is Wrong . But No Your To Busy Name Calling And Acting Like Little Children Who Can't Have There Way . Only Two Of You On Here That Had Enough Back Bone To Answer The Threads I Have Post . With Acting Like Spoil Children . I Know Whats It About ... Its Call The Fear Of The Unknow . = You People Know Nothing Of Your Own Scripture . I Mean When You Can Call Yashua God And He Himself Tell You Thoughout The Scripture That Its About His Father Will . , In Luke 4 ; 15- 24 Yashua Is Reading Out Of The Bible . Now If Yashua Was God One Would Think Why Would He Have To Read Something You Said He Had Written . . Even If You Knew What I Accept As The Truth About The Life & Dead Of Yashua . None Of You Know Enough To Prove Anything I Say Is Wrong According To You That Is .
Food For Though . Before You Can Began To Try To Prove ANYTHING I Say Is Wrong You People Have To Get Your Stores Straight First . And The First Story You Have To Get Straight First Is This LIE That Yashua Is The Creator . OverSyand

GhostontheNet
March 29th 2004, 10:15 PM
You should learn compound sentences. There is a reason your posts are moved. Away from Christian forums. You are not a Christian. You say you can respond to your critics. But you have not yet effectively. Responded to my criticisms. You keep believing lies. About the scriptures you cite. I have already responded to your point. On Yeshua reading from the Torah. In the thread about your post flooding. I gave a counterpoint. I also have other points you have not responded to. Christians have read the entire Bible. But not come to your view on it. I am not a follower of Paul. I believe Paul was a handpicked agent of Yeshua. I have also defended Paul as an apostle. Which you have also not refuted. I am a follower of Yeshua. It is obvious. You have no idea about the text of the scriptures. That you cite.

Hanna222
March 30th 2004, 06:21 AM
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Ezraarah
April 4th 2004, 02:05 PM
You should learn compound sentences. There is a reason your posts are moved. Away from Christian forums. You are not a Christian. You say you can respond to your critics. But you have not yet effectively. Responded to my criticisms. You keep believing lies. About the scriptures you cite. I have already responded to your point. On Yeshua reading from the Torah. In the thread about your post flooding. I gave a counterpoint. I also have other points you have not responded to. Christians have read the entire Bible. But not come to your view on it. I am not a follower of Paul. I believe Paul was a handpicked agent of Yeshua. I have also defended Paul as an apostle. Which you have also not refuted. I am a follower of Yeshua. It is obvious. You have no idea about the text of the scriptures. That you cite.
Frist OverStand SomeThing Ok .. You Can Play You Silly Games On Those Who See Things Though Your Blind I oK . Like I Said Paul Is The Anti - Chirst = Of The Bible OverStand =Ques: Who are the anti-Christs mentioned in 1 John 2:18?
Ans: Anyone who tries to teach in the name of Jesus Christ but does not include all the laws of the Torah which Jesus followed according to his own words would be an antichrist. You are so busy looking for and antichrist amongst the Mohammedans, or the Jews, or the Politicians, that you missed that he would be a Christian as the Book of Matthew 24:4-5 clearly states. He and his followers would be coming using Christ’s name. They will be called Christians or some form of Christians. These followers of Paul are your antichrists.
Ques: What is an anti-Christ?
Ans: If you go against Jesus, you are anti-Jesus. If you go against Christ, you are anti-Christ. ...People who follow after Paul are not only anti-Jesus; they are anti-Christs. I am here for you to answer questions you have on any subject that your teachers, leaders, preachers, reverends, shaikhs, and imaams cannot. Even if you don’t follow me, at least seek after the true ways of Jesus! Do some research! Stop following those who teach the ways of Paul! Seek the truth! It will make you free and lead you to the right way!
Here within this pamphlet, I have given you the truth about this man, Paul. Was he a disciple or deceiver? Once you finish reading this pamphlet you will be able to answer this question yourself.
Now If You Took The Time And Read What I Post You Wouldn't Make Foolish Statement Like You Have Been Doing Calling Youself Disproveing What I Post . You Can Tell The Paulite = The Follower Of Thee Anti - Christ Paul When You Hear Them Say There Are No Longer Law . Thsese Are You Paulite ... The Follower Of Yashua Keeps The Laws Of Mose . You To Busy Trying To Tag Me And Calling Me Name Trying To Impress Those Who Think Like Yourself . You Miss The Whole Point Of What I Was Saying . People Like Yourself Are To Close Minded When It Comes To The Bible It Almost Sad ... Because You Believe Your Right . When You Don't Know Jack . You And The Ones Like You Can't Deal With People Like Me . Because I'm Not MainStream . And I Don't Fall For Your Sillyness . I Told You I Don't Deal In Belief / Believe = Belief Is Ignorance . Belief Is To Ignore The Facts Intentionally Or Ignorantly , If One Has To Believe , It Means He Or She Does Not Know . And If One Does Not Know , That Is Ignorance . Hence Belief Is Ignorance And Religious Belief WithOut The Facts Is Ignorance , ( Got The Point ) . And This Is Why You Can't Deal With Me .. And It Bother You . Frankly I See You And People Like You As Joke . Trying To Tell Me How To Write My Threads And To Accept Your Silly Belief . When You Know Less About You Own Belief ... Have Given You More Then Enough InFormation To Prove My Point Useing The Scriptures . And If You Think I'm Going To Waste My Time With You . When The Point Been Made Already .. Guess What .. dee dee Told You People I Rise To Many Question That Should Have Told You That I Don't Think Like You . And Your Name Calling And Insults . Doesn't Change Anything . Because You Bible Have All Ready Been Written And This Is Why You Socalled Theologian / Scholar / Authors / Are Trying To Correct Them , And This Doesn't Count The Thousand's Of Mistranslation That Are All Ready Out There < LaughBigTimeHere > As Of Yet You Still Haven't Proven AnyThing And You NEVER WILL

Ezraarah
April 4th 2004, 02:12 PM
I'm Not Even Crying Just Giveing People What They Asking For . That Can Talk Thetalk But Can't Walk Thewalk ... You Don't See Me Crying To You Do You ..just Leting You Know If They Can Talk Trash And Get Away With It So Should I Laughinggggg