A Joke: Ferrell Till's The Skeptical Review

[Freak]

The Skeptical Review Online-Exposing the myth of biblical inerrancy since 1990.

Myth of Biblical inerrancy?

A former missionary and pastor exposes Biblical inerrancy?

I see the evidence he proves lacking.

Perhaps another Skeptic would like to give it a try....

And believers why do we believe in the inerrancy of Scripture? Are there compelling reasons to believe the Scriptures?

[Blake Reas]

Originally posted by Freak
The Skeptical Review Online-Exposing the myth of biblical inerrancy since 1990.

Myth of Biblical inerrancy?

A former missionary and pastor exposes Biblical inerrancy?

I see the evidence he proves lacking.

Perhaps another Skeptic would like to give it a try....

And believers why do we believe in the inerrancy of Scripture? Are there compelling reasons to believe the Scriptures?

It is the same with most Skeptics, find as many verses as you can that appear out of Context and then call them contradictions it is ridicoulous. Especially when you are a former member of the Church of Christ who interprets the Bible completley literally, there is no such things as Anthropomorphisms with him:yipee:

In Christ,
Blake Reas

[geebob]

I don't consider this kind of blanket statement to be very helpful or useful or conducive to debate.

Freak, I'd think you'd be better off bringing up specifics and examining them critically.

Reases comment is okay, but for discussion sake, what kind of things is Till taking to literally and how is he using this to the end of attacking christiantity. Even if what he's saying is not necessary, is it possible that it's reasonable. These are the kinds of issues that benefit folks and it won't insult the intellegence of whom you are criticizing, which is another thing that can be a barrier to critical discussion.

[Freak]

Originally posted by geebob
I don't consider this kind of blanket statement to be very helpful or useful or conducive to debate.

Freak, I'd think you'd be better off bringing up specifics and examining them critically.

Reases comment is okay, but for discussion sake, what kind of things is Till taking to literally and how is he using this to the end of attacking christiantity. Even if what he's saying is not necessary, is it possible that it's reasonable. These are the kinds of issues that benefit folks and it won't insult the intellegence of whom you are criticizing, which is another thing that can be a barrier to critical discussion.

I think you best go back and reread some of his nonsense.

The "myth of inerrancy", come on, geebob.....a myth?

[Freak]

Originally posted by Blake Reas
It is the same with most Skeptics, find as many verses as you can that appear out of Context and then call them contradictions it is ridicoulous. Especially when you are a former member of the Church of Christ who interprets the Bible completley literally, there is no such things as Anthropomorphisms with him:yipee:

In Christ,
Blake Reas

Hmmm....very interesting....

[dizzle]

Freak, did you see that Farrell Till has joined us??

[geebob]

I think you best go back and reread some of his nonsense.

my criticism has nothing to do with whether or not he speaks nonsense.

It has to do with what is fitting for a debate topic.

Your topic doesn't enlighten us or put forward much of a substantial position.

this is what I mean:

The "myth of inerrancy", come on, geebob.....a myth?

see we disagree that inerrancy is a myth, but if Farrel Till has anything to say any relevence to this, we'd want to discuss why it is that he thinks it is a myth and then offer an alternative to his thinking.

A statement to the effect "this person is wrong and his ideas are dumb" does no-one any good.

What you put forward asserts nothing more than the fact that you don't agree with the guy.

[Freak]

geebob:
my criticism has nothing to do with whether or not he speaks nonsense.

It has to do with what is fitting for a debate topic.

Your topic doesn't enlighten us or put forward much of a substantial position.

this is what I mean:



see we disagree that inerrancy is a myth, but if Farrel Till has anything to say any relevence to this, we'd want to discuss why it is that he thinks it is a myth and then offer an alternative to his thinking.

A statement to the effect "this person is wrong and his ideas are dumb" does no-one any good.

What you put forward asserts nothing more than the fact that you don't agree with the guy.

The burden of proof lies with him to prove God is a liar. Look, geebob, you are making this much more complicated then it really is. Every human, since they are in fact created in God's image, knows the truth deep down within their soul. He is merely supressing what he knows to be true. His assertions are in fact, in God's eyes, nonsense. The Psalmist said it best when he declared that a person is essentially a fool for not believing in God. I have dealt with scores upon scores of Skeptics and the truth will prevail (for I have seen the evidence of such). God never loses my friend.

What about challenging skeptics instead giving me some of this mumbo-jumbo that you excel in.

[Freak]

geebob, better watch out. I'm going to share God's truth that will speak to this man's soul even if he doesn't acknowledge it (for we know God's Word does not come back void).

In the beginning God...

There is a God and this God wanted to convey His trues to His creation (hence the Scriptures). Since this book is His book it is preserved by Him (For He is capable to preserve His truth). God is not to be found to be a liar. So, His word is true.

It is really is that simple. The Gospel (the truth of Jesus-life, death, burial, and resurrection) is the power of God unto salvation (see Romans 1:16). I believe this. He can break the hardest of hearts with his truth....

[geebob]

The thing is, Jesus met people where they were at. I don't see this here.

[Freak]

geebob:
The thing is, Jesus met people where they were at. I don't see this here.

You have a narrow minded version of who Jesus was/is.

I see Jesus as speaking the truth, bluntly (at times) the truth. Look, everyone has differing ways (or should I say methods) of reaching people. We may differ in our approach. I have seen many thousands over the years transformed by the love of Jesus. I'll just stick with what works with me. Ok?

[Solly]

Freak

I'll just stick with what works with me. Ok?

By all means; just remember that what you think works might contravene the rules of engagement of TWeb.

You are quite a liberty to give Farrell the gospel; although having been a minister I would imagine he is somewhat immune to it now. But as geebob says, you don't start out with:

A statement to the effect "this person is wrong and his ideas are dumb" does no-one any good.

The fact is, unless the Holy Spirit indicts scripture to us as the authoritative, inspired, and inerrant word of God, then no-one is obliged to accept it as such. The fact that all men have an fundamental knowledge that there is a God (which knowledge they deny), it dose not follow that they will automatically accept that the Bible is the Word of God, as opposed to the Koran, Sutras or Vedas.

Next, we are not here to challenge, but to debate. The challenge arises out of the debate, as the evidence is presented.

lastly, I would remind you that a sizeable proportion of the Evangelical community do not accept that scripture in Inerrant. Many of us admire C S Lewis, but he never held to inerrancy.

Perhaps you would like to challenge him on the matter in the Boxing Ring?

[Freak]

Solly:
Freak



By all means; just remember that what you think works might contravene the rules of engagement of TWeb.

You are quite a liberty to give Farrell the gospel; although having been a minister I would imagine he is somewhat immune to it now. But as geebob says, you don't start out with:



The fact is, unless the Holy Spirit indicts scripture to us as the authoritative, inspired, and inerrant word of God, then no-one is obliged to accept it as such. The fact that all men have an fundamental knowledge that there is a God (which knowledge they deny), it dose not follow that they will automatically accept that the Bible is the Word of God, as opposed to the Koran, Sutras or Vedas.

Next, we are not here to challenge, but to debate. The challenge arises out of the debate, as the evidence is presented.

lastly, I would remind you that a sizeable proportion of the Evangelical community do not accept that scripture in Inerrant. Many of us admire C S Lewis, but he never held to inerrancy.

Perhaps you would like to challenge him on the matter in the Boxing Ring?

Solly,

I believe every human on this face of the earth knows the truth. We are all created in HIS image. Most, however choose to suppress this truth. Farrell, has chosen to suppress this truth. But, God's love is unstoppable and I'm convinced it's God's love that will reach this man. As the Holy Scriptures declares, "Love never fails."

You mentioned: You are quite a liberty to give Farrell the gospel; although having been a minister I would imagine he is somewhat immune to it now.

That is an assumption but it may be a wrong one. The Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ is also unstoppable (Romans 1:16). I'm fully confident in the truth of the Gospel to touch the man's heart.

[Freak]

By the way, Farrell's reasoning is flawed. God is able to perserve His Word and He has and to say otherwise is to say God failed in perserving His Word which is foolish.

[Ishmael]

I have to agree with Freak on this Till thing.

I think that the end state for Till at TWeb is that he is banned.

Till seems to have a basic contempt for all God's children and for the True Faith.

[dizzle]

I think that the end state for Till at TWeb is that he is banned.


Brief comment... from what I have seen I would say that this event is highly unlikely. Although we may strenously disagree with his views, his participation here is welcomed as any other Member, as long as the Forum rules are honored. If we all agreed with each other, there would be no one to debate, making for a very dull debate section of this Forum. I cannot say that I have seen anything from Farrell that would predict such a harsh measure in the future.

[flipper]

Wow. Some of you guys really appear to dislike this Farrell Till guy.

Any links that you think would justify this apparent contempt?

[Jaltus]

Just flip over to the contrived gospel stories thread, around page 4-5 is where it gets hot and heavy, as it were.

[jimbo]

At one time Till was a Christian minister, of course. Apparently he is now in contact with a couple of ministers who have lost their faith and who are trying to leave their churches. I think this is kind of interesting.

I used to be a Christian. I used to pray to God. Eventually, with difficulty, I deconverted. The world makes a whole lot more sense to me now.

A few years ago I met a married couple who were former Catholics. They had only lost their religious beliefs in their 50s. They told me that they were happier then than at any other time in their lives--all because they had finally figured out that Christianity was a fiction. I was very glad for them.

Have a nice day. : )

Jimbo

[dizzle]

flipper:
Wow. Some of you guys really appear to dislike this Farrell Till guy.

Any links that you think would justify this apparent contempt?

Hey Flipper.. I do not dislike Farrel. I am very glad he joined us. I do dislike his contempt for Christianity and some of his tactics, but you know what? I do not know him at all as a person, and would not make any characterizaqtions in that way. We are very genuinely glad he joined us. It has made for stimulating and exciting conversation. I hope he stays.

[Lizard]

Dee Dee Warren:
Hey Flipper.. I do not dislike Farrel. I am very glad he joined us. I do dislike his contempt for Christianity and some of his tactics, but you know what? I do not know him at all as a person, and would not make any characterizaqtions in that way. We are very genuinely glad he joined us. It has made for stimulating and exciting conversation. I hope he stays.

Well said Dee Dee. :thumb:

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

jimbo:
At one time Till was a Christian minister, of course.

Apparently he is now in contact with a couple of ministers who have lost their faith and who are trying to leave their churches. I think this is kind of interesting.

I used to be a Christian. I used to pray to God. Eventually, with difficulty, I deconverted. The world makes a whole lot more sense to me now.

A few years ago I met a married couple who were former Catholics. They had only lost their religious beliefs in their 50s. They told me that they were happier then than at any other time in their lives--all because they had finally figured out that Christianity was a fiction. I was very glad for them.

Have a nice day. : )

Jimbo

Hi Jimbo

Till was someone who had been trained in exegetical techniques unknown prior to about 1900. Anyways, do you have any specific information you wish to divulge about *why* you left the Christian faith? Snippets of people's anti-testimonies are all very well, but do not help anyone sift things critically, or analyse any "information"-- which is why I changed the heading of the post. Hope to hear from you soon,

from Guy

[jimbo]

Hey Guy,

>>Till was someone who had been trained in exegetical techniques unknown prior to about 1900.

Sorry, don't know what you mean by this.

>>Anyways, do you have any specific information you wish to divulge about *why* you left the Christian faith?

Specific information? There are many, many facts and many fields of study that demonstrate to me that Christianity and other religions are make-believe. Much of what I have learned over the last 20 years about ancient history, ancient cultures, ancient religions, ancient literature, natural history, biology, astronomy, human nature, psychology, the Bible, cults, etc. convinces me that Christianity and other religions are essentially con games. Sorry to be so blunt, but that is what I think.

I do want to get into more specifics because I am interested in seeing how Christians explain certain things about their religion that just don't seem to jibe with the facts of reality. However, this forum here is for a discussion of Farrell Till's publication so I will find some other area in which to explore those issues, or I will create a board for it. If you know of a better place for such a discussion, feel free to let me know about it.

Gerald

[Sparko]

:grin: