The unstated language to solve 666

[calvin]

I believe that the reason that God did not state the language is because it was not in existence in that day ... any comments?

[sylas]

I believe that the reason that God did not state the language is because it was not in existence in that day ... any comments?

Unlikely.
This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

The natural implication of the verse is that someone with insight and wisdom will be able to calculate the number of the beast; and the natural reading of chapter one is that the intended audience of the letter was the seven churches in Asia. The most parsimonious basis for understanding Revelation is to take it as being written, in the initial instance, to people living at the time it was written.

Cheers -- Sylas

[dizzle]

Sylas is completely right.

[Solly]

I believe that the reason that God did not state the language is because it was not in existence in that day ... any comments?

But to do that you would have to rely on extra-biblical reasoning, firstly to make a case that a particular language is required, secondly that that language is not in existence at that time, and thridly, presumably that you know which language is required, and that it probably just happens to be around, and you just happen to speak/read it. Chronological hubris strikes again. :poke:

slly

[Ted]

I agree with Solly here, and would add one point often missed.

"The Great Beast" to mega therion has a gematria value of 666. It seems that God was rubbing the Gnostics' noses in their self-aggrandizing hubris of being "pneumatakoi."

[calvin]

What would be your opinion as to why God would NOT state the language to solve 666 ... Hebrew Aramaic Greek?

[Chief of Staff Lizard]

What would be your opinion as to why God would NOT state the language to solve 666 ... Hebrew Aramaic Greek? Because the original intended audience could figure it out with out being told. Especially if it was Hebrew or Aramaic and He wanted the Jewish Christians reading it to get but not the roman government.

Now let me ask you a question:

Why would God write a book that could not be understood for 2000 years?

[dizzle]

What would be your opinion as to why God would NOT state the language to solve 666 ... Hebrew Aramaic Greek?

Why didn't God state to breathe while reading? It is apparent by the text it was something they knew how to decode. It is chronological provincialism that sees US as the center of God's prophetic plan.

[Chief of Staff Lizard]

Also, if it is a Language not then kown, why didn't God write "It will be in a language not now know"?

[Pate]

Now let me ask you a question:

Why would God write a book that could not be understood for 2000 years?

And if indeed God would have written a book that couldn't be understood for 2000 years, then why in the world would he also have included instructions like "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near." in it?

[Troy]

God knew that Aramaic would not be lost since it was the language of Christ, so it was in this language of Aramaic that the number of a man is shown in Rev. 13.8 and according to Rev. 17.8-11, that man was Caesar Nero = 666 who was the Antichrist, just as Jesus called Judas the devil (false prophet son of perdition) who will reenter his body again in that of the forerunner the 7th who will be here a short while. Son of Perdition is only mentioned twice in the Bible, once for Judas, and once for Nero. Nero on his deathbed said that he was so frustrated with Christians. He kept killing them and they kept popping up so he admitted that he was the one that burned down the city. Do not seal up that which is so important seems like a reasonable request revealing the future.

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Nero.htm
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/markofthebeast.htm
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Revelation_13.htm
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Revelation_17.htm

[Jude3b]

I believe that the reason that God did not state the language is because it was not in existence in that day ... any comments?

The Roman letters I, V, L, C, D, M have each the power of expressing a number.

The number of the name of the beast - the first beast - is said to be the number of man. When we enter the Romish hierarchy and search for a man the number of whose name is 666, where should we go but to the pope himself. The Scriptures point him out particularly as the "man of sin," "the son of perdition" (2 Thess. 2: 3, 4). Has the pope of Rome a name the letters of which, used as numerals, make 666? Yes. He wears in jeweled letters upon his miter the following blasphemous inscription: Vicarius Felii Dei - Vicar of the Son of God. Taking out of this name all the letters that the Latins used as numerals, we have 666. U and V were both formerly used to denote five.
V ..5, I... 1, C... 100, A...0, R... 0, I ...1, U ... 5, S ... 0, F ... 0, I ... 1, L...50, I ... 1, I... 1, D ... 500, E ... 0, I ... 1 = 666

[Stephen]

The Roman letters I, V, L, C, D, M have each the power of expressing a number.

The number of the name of the beast - the first beast - is said to be the number of man. When we enter the Romish hierarchy and search for a man the number of whose name is 666, where should we go but to the pope himself. The Scriptures point him out particularly as the "man of sin," "the son of perdition" (2 Thess. 2: 3, 4). Has the pope of Rome a name the letters of which, used as numerals, make 666? Yes. He wears in jeweled letters upon his miter the following blasphemous inscription: Vicarius Felii Dei - Vicar of the Son of God. Taking out of this name all the letters that the Latins used as numerals, we have 666. U and V were both formerly used to denote five.
V ..5, I... 1, C... 100, A...0, R... 0, I ...1, U ... 5, S ... 0, F ... 0, I ... 1, L...50, I ... 1, I... 1, D ... 500, E ... 0, I ... 1 = 666
"DoulosXristos"

Now, T rhymes with C, which is designated in roman numerals for 100. Jesus knew we'd see the rhyme pattern, after all, recognizing rhymes takes wisdom.

D=500 O=0 U=5 L=50 O=0 S=0 X=10 R=0 I=1 S=0 T rhymes with C=100 O=0 S=0

500+0+5+50+0+0+10+0+1+0+100+0 = 666

Now, DoulosXristos (meaning Servant of Christ) is Johnny Banano's AOL screenname. This alone should prove beyond reasonable evidence that he is in fact the antichrist. But there's more.

Johnny's real name is Daniel. This is an obvious reference to Daniel's end time prophecies.

There's more. This mean's Johnny's name would be Johnny (Daniel) Banano. Johnny has 6 letters. Daniel has 6 letters. Banano has 6 letters. 666

So, masked in both his screenname, his real name, and his first and TWeb names, he has proved himself to be the man of lawlessness himself. We caught you Johnny!

[Jude3b]

The Roman letters I, V, L, C, D, M have each the power of expressing a number.

The number of the name of the beast - the first beast - is said to be the number of man. When we enter the Romish hierarchy and search for a man the number of whose name is 666, where should we go but to the pope himself. The Scriptures point him out particularly as the "man of sin," "the son of perdition" (2 Thess. 2: 3, 4). Has the pope of Rome a name the letters of which, used as numerals, make 666? Yes. He wears in jeweled letters upon his miter the following blasphemous inscription: Vicarius Felii Dei - Vicar of the Son of God. Taking out of this name all the letters that the Latins used as numerals, we have 666. U and V were both formerly used to denote five.
V ..5, I... 1, C... 100, A...0, R... 0, I ...1, U ... 5, S ... 0, F ... 0, I ... 1, L...50, I ... 1, I... 1, D ... 500, E ... 0, I ... 1 = 666

In Rev. Chapter 13: 11-18 - The "beast" refers to the Papacy. The Papal beast was represented as being full of the names of blasphemy, which blasphemy was shown to signify the usurpation of prerogatives and rights belonging to God alone. The greatest ecclesiastical usurpation reached by the Romish hierarchy was that of claiming to be the head of the church and the right to prescribe and enforce their doctrines, naming their organization the Holy Catholic Church.

[Lion]

The characteristics of the beast of the beast of Rev 13 point unmistakably to the Papacy. However, the references to any inscription on the pope’ crown can be denied. I have had personal communication with Patrick Madrid, editor of one of the official Catholic publications, who denies any sort of inscription on the pope’s miter.

However the pope’s title has been historically VICARIVS FILLI DEI. The papacy has denied the existence of the title since it became a mark of proof of 666. However there are other ways of calculating the number in Hebrew and Greek with the same result

Quoting Malachi Martin in The Decline and fall of the Roman Church, page 203, “And as for his coronation, it seemed indeed true, what Cardinal Farnese had said as he placed the papal tiara on Leo’s head on March 19, 1513: “Receive the tiara adorned with three crowns and know that you are father of pricesand kings, victor of the whole world under the earth and Vicar of Our Lord Jesus Christ to whom be honor and glory without end.””

[Just The Facts]

Hi

So why did God have Daniel write his book.

4: But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

9: And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

The really question is when did people start travelling to and fro and when did Knowledge increase. Because God is Clear that is when the Truth will be understood.

[Chief of Staff Lizard]

:digup: :glare:

[Hitch]

I believe that the reason that God did not state the language is because it was not in existence in that day ... any comments?That seems contrary to the opening statements of the book.

[wfaber]

I'm waiting for somebody to bring up those UPC barcodes with the three sixes on them.

[ross3421]

Folks,

I will first start by saying that I have yet nailed down completely it's meaning however I am sure that 666 does not add up to indentify the name of the AC......

The question is ......will we ever know his name? I don't think so. Why?

The AC claims to be the most high and will appear to be the most high in all that he does ect..... Now, does not God also have a "Mark" for his people? Yes.

The Mark Of God

144,000 12 tribes of Israel

Rev. 14:1 “And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount sion, and with him a hundred forty and four thousand having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.”

So above we see that those OF THE TRIBES OF ISREAL having their fathers name in their foreheads. This time the text explicitly mentions where the name is written and also states a number of them which have received this MARK; 144,000.

Overcomers of the churches (believers)

Now it never mentions "where" this is written however it is a good guess it will be in thier right hand wouldn't you say.....

Rev. 3:12 “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

So, to them that OVERCOME OF THE CHURCHES the Lord will write upon them the following. If you look at the three things which shall be written we see that all of them deal with a “name”.

The name of my God
The name of the city of my God
My name (new)

The Mark Of the Beast

Rev. 13:16, “And he caused all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.”
Re 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Now, as mentioned earlier we had seen that there was three things written upon those who overcame of the churches. Likewise with the beast, he will have three things as well he shall write upon his following.

The Mark
Name of the beast
Number of his name

First, there is a group of individuals above who are receiving this MARK which encompasses all peoples from a variety of backgrounds. Interestingly, God’s people will be the same and are even mentioned as being small and great in Rev 11:18 and 19:5 as well.

Second, we see that this MARK is placed in two areas, forehead or the right hand. The reason for the different areas is because it is for two different groups of individuals as seen above; the tribes of Israel which will have the MARK in their foreheads and of the churches will receive this in their right hand.

Now you might say how do you know that those of the churches will receive the MARK in their right hands? The right hand or side has always been associated with the saints (overcomers of the church) while the forehead has symbolized the servants of Israel.

Rev. 1:20 “The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.”

THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME

So far we have seen that both God and the Beast will have a "Mark" for their following. Also that forehead and right hand denote "who" they are and what will be written. Now comes the tricky part.

It is only logical to get the understanding of the number of his name is to go to the Book of Numbers and surprise here we have the answer.

Num. 1:2 “Take ye the sum (count) of all the congregation of the children of Israel, after their families, by the house of their father’s, WITH THE NUMBER OF THEIR NAMES, every male by their polls.”

The number of the beast deals with the “NUMBER OF PEOPLE” of the house of the devil. This has no link to the identity of the beast’s last name.

THE NAME OF THE BEAST

If the counterfeit is to be true to form, and it will, then it will be impossible to know the “name” of the beast. You see, no one will know the true Christ’s “new name” until he returns and not prior. So the name of the beast will not be known or can be known until he arises out of the abyss. Sorry, no last names.

Rev. 19:12 “And his eyes were a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written (upon his head) that NO MAN KNEW, but he himself”.

Rev. 13:18 “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is a number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six”.

Now it is very interesting that just after we see this Beast with his following we see a Lamb with his following.....

Re 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Unfortunately, the train stops here for now. I have not yet been able to link 666 to scripture. It may not even be very significant anyway. Maybe someone out there can help finish the mystery.

We are trained to believe that the mark of the beast will be "forced" upon those on earth, does scripture ever say this? No. Remember, those on the earth truely believe he is the son of God as Christ himself prophisized and "willing" accept his Mark.

In Christ, Mark.

[Terral]

Calvin:
Calvin >> I believe that the reason that God did not state the language is because it was not in existence in that day ... any comments?
The answer to the 666 question lies in the relationship of the three beasts (dragon, 1st beast, 2nd beast) as an unholy trinity. Note that the dragon gives authority to the first beast (Rev. 13:2-4) in the same way that the Father gives authority to the Son (John 5:27, John 17:2). The final beast is unholy counterpart to the Holy Spirit. These are the three heads of the three bodies that all contain members of their own in the likeness of the Father (spirit), Son (blood) and Holy Spirit (water). 1John 5:8. The type from Scripture is of Elijah, Christ and Moses on the mountain (Matt. 17:1-6). Elijah never saw death, and his body (taught in types) contains the obedient from among the angels. We are the members of ‘Christ body’ (1Cor. 12:27) who have believed the gospel (Eph. 1:13+14). Paul teaches that the ‘body of Moses’ (Jude 1:9) also has members in his body (1Cor. 10:1-4). Peter, John and James (Christ’s three witnesses) saw a vision of New Jerusalem on the mountain with Elijah (spirit) Christ (blood) and Moses (water). When Peter looked back up after the voice, all he saw was Christ alone (Matt. 17:8). The spirit, water and blood makes up the image of ‘a man’ like ‘Adam’ in Genesis 2:7. I describe these things here: http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44012 (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44012)

Satan (spirit) the man of sin/beast (blood) and the false prophet (water) together make up the heavenly ‘man’ now in power from the aftermath of the sixth day. We are now living during the seventh day since the start of Genesis 2:3+4. The members of the new heavenly man are now being formed, so that we can take full power of the heavenly during the ‘eighth day’ (Rev. 21:1+). The 666 heavenly man (Satan / Beast / False Prophet) is being replaced with the 777 Heavenly Man (Elijah / Christ / Moses) as we speak. Our gospel has been sent into the world so that the descendants of Adam can be gathered to “Christ’s body” for God’s ‘purpose of the ages’ (Eph. 3:9-11), which is the ‘summing up’ (Eph. 1:9+10) and subjection of all things to the Son (1Cor. 15:27). The body of Moses was build partially during the ‘early rains’ (James 5:7), when John the Baptist, Christ and the Twelve were preaching the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ (Matt. 4:23, etc.) 2000 years ago. That ‘water’ body of Moses shall be completed during the ‘late rains’ (James 5:7), when Elijah comes to restore all things (Matt. 17:10+11). Therefore, the destruction of this broken universe goes hand in hand with Satan, the beast and false prophet (with all the members of their bodies) going into the lake of fire. Rev. 19:20, 20:10.

For clarification, please allow me to explain some of these same concepts from a slightly different perspective: Consider that the Judgment is coming at the end of this ‘seventh’ (Sabbath; Matt. 12:8) day that started in Genesis 2:1-4. Rev. 20:11-15. The ‘world forces of this darkness’ (Eph. 6:12) have been in competition among themselves for power since the time of Genesis 1:2, which resulted from the Satanic Rebellion. There has been a Judgment to consolidate and optimize their heavenly hierarchy arrangement between every subsequent creative ‘day’ of Genesis 1. Our 666 expression is the ‘number of a man,’ but again it is no earthly man. There was a 111 triune heavenly unholy man that reigned in power on the second creative day, after the Judgment that followed the first day. The 555 heavenly man came into power to rule over this world during the sixth creative day of Genesis 1. Today we are living through the seventh creative day of Genesis 2:4 – Rev. 20:15, and the 666 heavenly man is in power, but ‘passing away’ (1Cor. 2:6-8). To gain understanding on how this number is being used in the Text, you must come to realize that this ‘man’ has three parts and has MANY members.

Again, the future kingdom is depicted by Christ with Elijah and Moses in Matthew 17:1-8, where Peter wonders if he should build three separate tabernacles (vs. 4). Christ was providing His three earthly witnesses with a vision of three separate bodies being united under One Tabernacle in New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:1+). Elijah represents the witness of spirit and those who never saw death (angels). You see that many people were baptized into the ‘body of Moses’ (Jude 1:9) in 1Cor. 10:1-4, as the witness of water. We become members of “Christ’s body” (1Cor. 12:27) through obedience to the Gospel and the ‘one baptism’ (Eph. 4:5) of 1Cor. 12:13, as He is the witness of blood in this current seventh day “Heavenly Man” currently under construction. The 777 Heavenly Man shall rule throughout the coming eighth day that begins in Rev. 21:1. Here is wisdom, so that you will gain the eyes to see the truth of Rev. 13:

“For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.”

Christ’s body is not one member, but many. In the same way there is a ‘mystery of Christ’ (Eph. 3:4, Col. 4:3) AND a ‘mystery of lawlessness.’ 2Thes. 2:7-12 (7). The 666 Satanic heavenly man is doing everything to prepare itself for ruling throughout the coming eighth day in anticipation of their victory over the 777 Elijah / Christ / Moses HeavenlyMan. After all, they have remained in power all of this time and throughout all of the previous creative days up to this time. Why should they believe that their forces of darkness will be cast down this time? Satan (spirit), the antichrist / beast (blood) and the false prophet (water) represent three unholy bodies that together make up this ‘man’ of Rev. 13:18. God Almighty fouled up Satan’s plan to dominate this realm forever through the forming of Adam in Genesis 2:7, which led to the ‘Seed’ and the devil’s ultimate demise at Calvary. Today God is selecting members to His up and coming 777 Heavenly Man through His offer of the Gospel that Christ died for our sins and God raised Him from the dead (1Cor. 15:3+4, Rom. 10:9, etc.). The future kingdom of God on earth is all about selecting members to finish up the construction of the ‘body of Moses’ that was started as part of the ‘early rains’ (James 5:7) 2000 years ago. Elijah shall finish preparing the ‘bride’ (water part) of the heavenly tabernacle, when he comes to restore ‘all things’ (Matt. 17:10+11), under the ‘late rains’ (James 5:7). The mystery body church (Eph. 5:30+32) is being formed to maturity during the time that exists today between those two prophetic rains.

The future will see the great battle between the 777 up and coming Heavenly Man that will be formed in the likeness of David as a boy, while the 666 heavenly man will be like Goliath. The difference is that Daniel’s statue will be struck by the Stone at its feet (Dan. 2:34) instead of between the eyes in the forehead (1Sam. 17:49). Satan (Rev. 20:10), the beast and false prophet (Rev. 19:20) will all be thrown into the lake of fire along with all the members of their separate bodies. That includes MANY members in the world today who are being deceived by believing false gospel messages while rejecting the truth to fall prey to the ‘deluding influence’ of 2Thes. 2:11. The ‘body of Christ’ (Eph. 4:12) church (Eph. 5:32) is being formed through the ‘mystery of Christ’ (Eph. 3:4), just like the body of sin is being formed through the ‘mystery of lawlessness’ during our days. All of those blinded by Satan from seeing our gospel (2Cor. 4:3+4) are going down with the 666 heavenly man to receive their just rewards.

In Christ,

Terral

[Ted]

"DoulosXristos"

Now, T rhymes with C, which is designated in roman numerals for 100. Jesus knew we'd see the rhyme pattern, after all, recognizing rhymes takes wisdom.

D=500 O=0 U=5 L=50 O=0 S=0 X=10 R=0 I=1 S=0 T rhymes with C=100 O=0 S=0

500+0+5+50+0+0+10+0+1+0+100+0 = 666

Now, DoulosXristos (meaning Servant of Christ) is Johnny Banano's AOL screenname. This alone should prove beyond reasonable evidence that he is in fact the antichrist. But there's more.

Johnny's real name is Daniel. This is an obvious reference to Daniel's end time prophecies.

There's more. This mean's Johnny's name would be Johnny (Daniel) Banano. Johnny has 6 letters. Daniel has 6 letters. Banano has 6 letters. 666

So, masked in both his screenname, his real name, and his first and TWeb names, he has proved himself to be the man of lawlessness himself. We caught you Johnny!

:highfive: That should put an end to all the speculation.

Ted

[Redwolf]

:highfive: That should put an end to all the speculation.

Ted


Here is something to have a little 'fun' with:

http://www.revealed.org/vicarius.htm


As you will soon see, the Latin title bestowed upon the Bishop of Rome is Vicarius Filii Dei. These words were not invented by the Reformers, or bigots, but were used several hundred years before the Protestant Reformation. In Roman Numerals, the letters of this title which have assigned value add to 666. For VICARIUS: V = 5, I = 1, C = 100, I + 1, U (or V) = 5; for FILII: I = 1, L = 50, I = 1, I = 1; for DEI: D = 500, I = 1; totaling 666. Some have questioned whether such a title is, or has ever been, assigned the head of the Roman Catholic Church. This topic is of major importance because this is one of several identifying traits of the organization that the Bible explicitly warns us about. Let us read God's clue from the Catholic Douay Bible: Here is wisdom. He who has understanding, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six (Apocalypse 13:16, Douay). Because it is the number of a man, we need not consider women such as Gene Dixon, Mary Baker Eddy, Amee Semple Mcphearson and, of course, Mother Theresa.
In response to a writer's question, a Catholic journal replied that these Latin words are inscribed on the Pope's headdress.
"The letters inscribed in the Pope's miter are these 'VICARIUS FILII DEI' which is the Latin for 'VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD.' Catholics hold that the church, which is a visible society, must have a visible head. Christ, before his ascension into heaven, appointed St. Peter to act as His representative... Hence to the Bishop of Rome, as head of the church, was given the title, 'VICAR OF CHRIST'." Our Sunday Visitor, (Catholic Weekly) "Bureau of information," Huntington, Indiana, U.S., April 18, 1915.
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Such claims this church makes, putting aside scripture for sacred tradition.