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Ezraarah
March 24th 2004, 06:12 AM
Ans: He didn’t get it from the scriptures of Old (the Torah) and there was no New Testament. Paul simply fabricated it from his Greek and Roman studies. Paul’s books are saturated with esoteric doctrines about the spirits and the souls, and love, and the stars. It’s all Greek mythology and at this point Jesus became the God Zeus to him, combined with the Hebrew God Yahweh; then was said Jahweh. So you get Jah, short for Jehovah and the Zues combined to crate the new name Jazues; you get the word Jesus whose name in his language is really Yashua meaning the savior. Paul is responsible for creating the name Jesus like he did everything else from start to finish...This is an example of what type of foundation your religion of Christianity was built on; by “St. Paul,” your canonized (ordained) holy man.Paul, on his own felt that it would be impossible to change the ways of the Gentiles without making changes too. Barnabas knew that his creator did not wish his laws to be taken away or changed (Matthew 5:18). Barnabas, therefore remained firm in the guidance he had been given. This was the beginning of arguments and fine distinctions which were to come later. Barnabas and Paul disagreed on issues such as man’s everyday existence and way of life. Paul wanted to avoid making changes in the practices that the Greek had before they arrived. Paul wanted to abandon the commandments of Moses governing the laws of food and sacrificing of animals, as well as the laws of circumcision. In view of this, the differences between Barnabas and Paul grew (Acts 15:2).Barnabas and Paul never stayed very long in one place. What Barnabas wanted was to teach the teachings of Jesus with the new doctrine Paul was developing. At this point (in 49 A.D.) they fell apart. It is said that it was because Paul wanted John Mark (Barnabas’ nephew) along on future missions, then the split occurred. We know that there was more to it than that (Acts 15:39-40). So Barnabas and Mark went to Cyprus, Barnabas’ birthplace.
Ques: So who was John Mark and what part did he play?
Ans: John Mark was an Israelite from Jerusalem. His mother was a supporter of Jesus’ teachings and thus opened her home to the Disciples and their followers for it to serve as their gathering place (Acts 13:5)...John Mark joined the Disciple Barnabas (his Uncle) Colosians 4:10 and Paul on their first missionary journey, 47-48 A.D., and traveled to the Greek island of Antioch to propagate the word of Jesus to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel (Acts 13:5, 12:25, 13:1)...He served as minister to Barnabas and Paul and was considered a deacon or servant who aided them. Mark did not remain long in Perga with Paul and Barnabas but decided to return to Jerusalem. This departure caused dissension between Barnabas and Paul. Paul resented Mark leaving him and Barnabas in Perga (and ancient city of Asia Minor). So when they were ready to embark on the second missionary journey, Paul was in favor of leaving them; as a result, Barnabas and Paul went their seperate ways (Acts 15:36-39). Barnabas and Mark depearted to Cyprus and Paul went to Syria accompanied by Silos (Acts 15:40-41).It was at this point when Barnabas and Paul split up, that Barnabas took Mark with him to Cyprus. Mark is not mentioned again in the New Testament until approximately ten years later, where he is found in the company of Paul in Colossa (Asia Minor) (Colossians 4:10). By this time Paul had forgotten his previous abandoning of the mission; although he still had doubts about his loyalty. Paul considered Mark helpful to him because he was well versed in the language of the Gentiles...Now, Barnabas out of the picture, Paul was free to go on with his mission of distortion as he pleased. Paul’s confidence and reputation made him unafraid to go out and preach his doctrine without worrying about rejection or the restraining hand of Barnabas to check him, whenever he strayed form the teachings of Jesus.After Barnabas left for Cyprus, Paul continued with his mission. Paul realized as a disciple of the Messiah Jesus (we are unsure of this fragments meaning). Paul persuaded Peter to travel with him. Yes, they wre rivals but now the situation had changed. You see the persecution that Romans were committing on the followers of Jesus had increased. Peter was trying to escape this because he know that changes here or there within the laws might mean less persecution. In 49 A.D. Paul and Peter travelled west. Without the sincerity and restraining influence of Barnabas, Paul was successful in pushing in his new doctrine (Romans 16:20-21).
The people, who were hearing about Jeus for the first time from Paul’s lips, had no way of checking out Paul’s version to depend on. And Paul became very successful. Paul deviated further from the teachings of Yashua (Jesus). He finally told them to just omit the whole law of the Prophets because it was crucified (died) when Yashua (Jesus) was so-called crucified. Now, pay close attention, because I am going to show you this by using Paul’s own words...First of all it is important that you remember the following quote throughout this entire explanation. Remember don’t forget it...Matthew 5:17 “Don’t think that I have come to destroy the laws of the Torah, or what the Prophets said: I did not come to destroy, I came to fulfill them.” Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil....Now remember this! This is what Jesus said. Now read (Galatians 3:5-6,9) to tell you what Paul said. Paul is saying here that he gave you the word and worked miracles not because he followed the law but because he had faith, he was successful....He also compares himself to Abraham and that everyone who believed Abraham will still be blessed as Abraham was blessed, even if they don’t follow the law. However, in James 2:21-23, Abraham worked as well as had faith, then he was blessed. Paul then goes on to say in Galatians 3:10-11 that by following the law all men are cursed because the law is what causes them to sin (Romans 4:15). Paul is saying that this curse, due to man trying to keep the laws that Eli (God) gave to man by way of the Prophets, is what keeps man from being justified (righteous) in the eyes of Eli (God). Also, if man live by faith, that alone will make him righteous in the eyes of Eli.Paul laid more and more emphasis on the vision of the Christ, he said appeared to him, which we already know is hard to believe. Paul used the “direct revelation” theory to justify what he taught. Meaning, Paul said that his teachings were directly from Jesus by revelation…no one saw, heard, felt, etc.—any of this which could verify Paul’s stories. Only Paul based his “divine authority” (meaning his words were inspired law) on these so-called revelations. It was by virtue of this “authority” that Paul claimed the blessing of the gospel (which were his own teachings) were not limited, but for all who believed....This was the beginning of the Pauline Church or better known as the “Roman Catholic Church.”
In the beginning Paul started with a few new ideas. Later, the Gentiles kept tampering with the books and with their continual introductions of new ideas, into Christianity. The new ideas introduced by Paul were simply to attract the Gentiles. He started with the cancelling of the law of circumcision, but one wrong step led to another. Ultimately it ended into a new faith. This new faith which is now called Christianity resembled pagan beliefs rather than the revealed teachings of Moses, and the later Prophets, including Jesus Christ, the Real Messiah.Of course the completion of this new and improved (reformed) religion was a book to contain all the teachings of this profound (great) religion that would be available to all the “true” and “sincere” followers of “Christ.” This book was to be called “The New Testament.'''
The New Testament was compiled in 325 A.D. by the Council of Nicea, consisting of twenty-six books. Although the New Testament is thought to be the book of the Messiah Jesus, Jesus did not receive any books.
St. Matthew 41 A.D.
St. Mark 65 A.D.
St. Luke 58 A.D.
St. John 98 A.D.
The Acts 61 A.D.
Epistle To Romans 56 A.D.
1 Corinthians 55 A.D.
2 Corinthians 55 A.D.
Galatians 52 A.D.
Ephesians 61 A.D.
Phillippians 61 A.D.
Colossians 61 A
Jin-Roh
March 24th 2004, 07:17 PM
Ezraarah, Paul was a passionate Pharisee who formally persecuted the church. He had been studying scriptue from a very young age and would've had plenty of the Old Testement memorized.
If you believe that he didn't get his OT scripture verses from memory and just brought in Greek Mythology as he was writign much of the NT, then you need to prove that claim.
You also need to prove your claim that Paul's letters where tampered with, espiecally since much of his teaching grated with some of the cultural norms.
Ezraarah
March 26th 2004, 06:04 PM
Ezraarah, Paul was a passionate Pharisee who formally persecuted the church. He had been studying scriptue from a very young age and would've had plenty of the Old Testement memorized.
If you believe that he didn't get his OT scripture verses from memory and just brought in Greek Mythology as he was writign much of the NT, then you need to prove that claim.
You also need to prove your claim that Paul's letters where tampered with, espiecally since much of his teaching grated with some of the cultural norms.
Jesus Said: Keep the Sabbath (Mark 2:27), circumcise male children (Luke 2:21),
...Paul Said: Circumcision is not necessary (Romans 2:26) that is going against what the Christ said in Luke 2:21...The word anti means against. So antichrist means to go against anything that Christ taught.
In II Chronicles 7:12-16 it says that the God dwells in chosen temples; a law through Moses. However, Paul says in Acts 7:48 the Most High does not dwell in temples.
God dwells in light in 1 Timothy 6:16 says Paul. But the book of 1 Kings 8:12 the Lord says he dwells in thick darkness.
In Romans 1:20 Gods attributes are revealed in his works says Paul. But, Isaiah 40:28 says the opposite.
Anger is approved by Paul in Ephesians 4:26. But anger is disapproved in Ecclesiates 7:9. As well as Proverbs 22:24.
1 Corinthians 11:14, Paul was trying to condemn Jesus for having long hair, something approved in Numbers 6:5 and Judges 13:5. ...The law of circumcision was instituted in Genesis 17:10 and Paul condemned it in Galatians 5:2.
The Sabbath was instituted in Exodus 20:8 but Paul condemned it in Romans 14:5 and Colossians 2:16.
Paul even went against the baptism which Jesus the Christ himself was given by John the Baptist (1 Corinthians 1:14, 17). Here Paul is going against the Christ. The list goes on and on. Seek the book entitled Contradictions Of Jesus’ Disciples and Jesus’ Disciples For Or Against Him....
Ques: What laws did Jesus follow?
Ans: Christ said in John 1:17 that he clearly followed the laws of Moses and again that not one period called in Greek keria “tittle” or a dot called in Greek iota “jot” the smallest letter in the Hebrew alphabet called yod “in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled” in Matthew 5:18 so if I read this right, the Christ was telling his followers to follow all the laws of Moses not to change one dot or one letter from the law...The word used there in Greek is nomas and implies the law of the Torah which would be the five books of Moses....
Ques: Who are the anti-Christs mentioned in 1 John 2:18?
Ans: Anyone who tries to teach in the name of Jesus Christ but does not include all the laws of the Torah which Jesus followed according to his own words would be an antichrist. You are so busy looking for and antichrist amongst the Mohammedans, or the Jews, or the Politicians, that you missed that he would be a Christian as the Book of Matthew 24:4-5 clearly states. He and his followers would be coming using Christ’s name. They will be called Christians or some form of Christians. These followers of Paul are your antichrists.
Ques: What is an anti-Christ?
Ans: If you go against Jesus, you are anti-Jesus. If you go against Christ, you are anti-Christ. ...People who follow after Paul are not only anti-Jesus; they are anti-Christs. I am here for you to answer questions you have on any subject that your teachers, leaders, preachers, reverends, shaikhs, and imaams cannot. Even if you don’t follow me, at least seek after the true ways of Jesus! Do some research! Stop following those who teach the ways of Paul! Seek the truth! It will make you free and lead you to the right way!
Here within this pamphlet, I have given you the truth about this man, Paul. Was he a disciple or deceiver? Once you finish reading this pamphlet you will be able to answer this question yourself.
Jin-Roh
March 27th 2004, 12:43 AM
Sorry Ez, all's you did with those bible quotes is show that Paul had diffrent Theology than the Jews, which is no surprise since he was a Christian. You have not proven your initial claim, which was:
He didn’t get it from the scriptures of Old (the Torah) and there was no New Testament. Paul simply fabricated it from his Greek and Roman studies.
Try again.
Ezraarah
March 27th 2004, 02:53 AM
Ezraarah, Paul was a passionate Pharisee who formally persecuted the church. He had been studying scriptue from a very young age and would've had plenty of the Old Testement memorized.
If you believe that he didn't get his OT scripture verses from memory and just brought in Greek Mythology as he was writign much of the NT, then you need to prove that claim.
You also need to prove your claim that Paul's letters where tampered with, espiecally since much of his teaching grated with some of the cultural norms.
Any And EveryThing I Have Post If One Isn't Lazy .They Can Re -Search Same And Find It To Been Nothing But Fact's No Belief =Belief Is Ignorance . Belief Is To Ignore The Facts Intentionally Or Ignorantly , If One Has To Believe , It Means He Or She Does Not Know . And If One Does Not Know , That Is Ignorance . Hence Belief Is Ignorance And Religious Belief WithOut The Facts Is Ignorance , ( Got The Point ) .
Paul Wrote 14 Letter To Differnt Churches , And Letter's Are Not Scripture's . If You Didn't Pick And Chose What Part Of The Bible You Want To Accept And Acts Like The Rest Doesn't Exist Then You Would Be Able To See These Things . But You Rather Just Believe AnyThing Your Told To Believe And When Shown SomeThing Else Other Then What Your Were Told To BELIEVE . You Want To Find Mistakes In Other's . When The Mistake Is That You Don't Want To Seek Out The Real Story ForYourSelf . You Rather Point The Finger . Pointing The Finger Isn't Going To Get You Into Heaven KNOWING WILL
Jin-Roh
March 27th 2004, 01:22 PM
Ez, why should I bother going to research any infomation that isn't relevent to what you are trying to prove?
It also may suprise you to know that most Christians do read the Bible.
Fideist345
March 27th 2004, 01:35 PM
Ans: He didn’t get it from the scriptures of Old (the Torah)
There are nearly 50 OT quotes in Romans alone.
GhostontheNet
March 27th 2004, 02:03 PM
Ezaarah, I think that you need to buy a Bible and read your cites carefully. Luke 2:21 merely mentions that Jesus was circumcised, and in all probability Paul most likely was too. The fact is, everybody can't research every subject, and the lack of critical anylasis of your scripture citations makes any in depth studies of your exact ideas look to be in all probability unfruitful.
seer
March 27th 2004, 02:59 PM
Jesus Said: Keep the Sabbath (Mark 2:27), circumcise male children (Luke 2:21)
Jesus never taught to keep the sabbath. As a matter of fact your reference (Mark 2:23-28) shows Christ's followers breaking the sabbath. This is why it is impossible to debate with you - you are not honest.
BTW - Do you agree with Mark 2:28 - that Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath?
Ezraarah
March 27th 2004, 08:31 PM
Ezaarah, I think that you need to buy a Bible and read your cites carefully. Luke 2:21 merely mentions that Jesus was circumcised, and in all probability Paul most likely was too. The fact is, everybody can't research every subject, and the lack of critical anylasis of your scripture citations makes any in depth studies of your exact ideas look to be in all probability unfruitful.
I Can OverStand You Can't Deal With The Type Of Knowldge I Have Been Ladying On Your People . Because Your To Busy Trying To Tag Me Or Think Your Saying SomeThing Smart . But The Real Deal Is You Have Never Been Question Like This Before . For You See You Were Told That You Should Never Question Your Minister / Pastor Etc. Or God . You Rather Wait Until You Die To Find Out What You Were Told To BELIEVE Was The Truth Or Not What Foolishness . Your Talking About Your Soul Here True . But Hey BeSize Being Lazy You Even Think ReSearching The Information You Being Feed To You Meaning Nothing . Your Own Bible Tell You To Test That Spirit To See If Its Real Or Not . Well Your Spirit Has Been Tested And You Fail The Test By Runing From The Question Put To You . Only Two People On Here Had Enough Back Bone Try To Answer The Question That Has Been Put To To You .. And Not One Time Did They Try To Tag Me Insult Me . Not That Your Silly Childlish Insult Bother Me Its To Be Expected . When You Dealing With People Who Have No Knowledge WhatSoEver Of There Own Bible . You Think By Now You Would BackOff With Your Sillyness But Like They Say Truth Hurt Doesn't It .. Truth is liken unto fire , its outcome depends upon the holder , either it can burn , destroy , consume , kill or it can lighten the atmospherefor the reader to obtain , it can warm , or it can prepare the soup for the hungry ..
By The Way EveryThing I Have Written I Have Back It Up With Scripture . You Would Think One Of You Out Of Your Click Could ComeUp Some Answers . And Stop The School Yard Name Calling . I Though I Was Talking To Men & Woman . But Guess Not :lol:
Ezraarah
March 27th 2004, 08:39 PM
Ezaarah, I think that you need to buy a Bible and read your cites carefully. Luke 2:21 merely mentions that Jesus was circumcised, and in all probability Paul most likely was too. The fact is, everybody can't research every subject, and the lack of critical anylasis of your scripture citations makes any in depth studies of your exact ideas look to be in all probability unfruitful.
What is meant by ANOTHER GOSPEL ?
Now This Should Be A Eazyyyyyyy Question Even You Sould Be Able To Answer It .. :lol:
seer
March 27th 2004, 10:28 PM
What is meant by ANOTHER GOSPEL ?
Now This Should Be A Eazyyyyyyy Question Even You Sould Be Able To Answer It .. :lol:
Ezraarah, you claimed that Jesus taught to keep the sabbath. He did not - you are a false witness.
Ezraarah
March 28th 2004, 04:52 AM
Jesus Said: Keep the Sabbath (Mark 2:27), circumcise male children (Luke 2:21)
Jesus never taught to keep the sabbath. As a matter of fact your reference (Mark 2:23-28) shows Christ's followers breaking the sabbath. This is why it is impossible to debate with you - you are not honest.
BTW - Do you agree with Mark 2:28 - that Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath?
Did Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ Observe The Sabbath As Commanded ?
Ans; Accoding To Exodus 31 ; 15 , The Seventh Day Is The Sabbath Day And Keep It Holy , And In Luke 4 ; 16 , Yashua , Isa , Christ , Kept The Sabbath
Exodus 31 ; 15 ;.....For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD . Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
Luke 4; 16 ....He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.
Ques ; Did Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ Have His Head Covered ?
Ans ; According To 2Samuel 15 ; 30 ;...David Covered His Head , As Did All Male Descendants Of The Israelites , Which Can Also Be Found In John 7 ; 42 .... And
2Timothy 2 ; 8 ,,, So , If Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ , Was Of The Seed Of David , Then He Follower The Laws And Customs Of King David's Tribe , Of Which Covering Of The Head Was One , As Found In 2Samuel 15 ; 30 ...
2Samuel 15 ; 30 ;...But David continued up the Mount of Olives, weeping as he went; his head was covered and he was barefoot. All the people with him covered their heads too and were weeping as they went up ..
John 7 ; 42 ....Still others asked, "How can the Christ come from Galilee? Does not the Scripture say that the Christ will come from David's family and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?"
2Timothy 2; 8 ;....Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel
Ques; Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ , Wear Tassels ?
Ans ; HowEver , The Fact Is Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Was A Descendant Of The Tribe Of Judah And According To The Law As , Found In Number 15 ; 38 - 39 And Deuteronomy 22 ; 12 ;....The Israelites Were Commanded To Wear Fringers And Tassels , Which Hang Off Of The Clothing Like The Tallith .
Number 15 ; 38 - 39 ;..."Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'Throughout the generations to come you are to make tassels on the corners of your garments, with a blue cord on each tassel. 39 You will have these tassels to look at and so you will remember all the commands of the LORD , that you may obey them and not prostitute yourselves by going after the lusts of your own hearts and eyes.
Deuteronomy 22 ; 12 ;....Make tassels on the four corners of the cloak you wear.
Tassels And Fringers , The Prescribed Dress For Those True Followers Of The Word Of God , According To The Bible Why Aren't You So - Christian Dressing This Way
Ques ; If You Say You Are Follower Of Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Who Kept The Laws Of Moses , , Then Why Don't You Wear Fringers And Tassels As Commanded In Numbers 15 ' 38 - 39;...
Ans ; Fringers And Tassels , As Mentioned In Numbers 15 ; 38 - 39 , AreTo Be Worn On Your Clothes And To Be Worn To Be Seen As A Reminder Of God's Commandments . According To The Old Testament In Deuteronomy 22 ; 11 , The Garments Cannot Be Made Of Mixed Materials Such As '' Woolen '' And '' LLinens '' Together ( Exodus 34 ; 26 And Deuteronomy 14 ; 26 ) . The Reason For This Is That One Is From An Animal Source And The Other Is From A Vegetable Source . ThereFore Anything In Silk Would Have Silk Tassels , Cotton Would Have Cotton Tassels . Linen Would Have Linen Tassels Etc . Rayon Is Neutral Because It's A Synthetic Material And Blue Thread Through The Material Was Required As A Distinction .. The Golden Sash Or '' Girdle '' Is Word Around The Waist As Mentioned In Revelation 1 ; 13 ... 13and among the lampstands was someone "like a son of man," dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest..... When John Describes The '' Golden Grirdle '' Of The Clothing Of The AngelicBeing Michael , And In Revelation 15 ; 6 ;....Out of the temple came the seven angels with the seven plagues. They were dressed in clean, shining linen and wore golden sashes around their chests .... Where It Describes The Dress
Of The Seven AngelicBeing < 1 . Micha'El , 2 . Gabri'El , 3 . Uria'El , 4 . Izraaf'El , 5. Izraa'El , 6 , Uzzi'El , 7 , Zamar'El > With The Seven Plagues , It Is Referred To As The Holy Garment '' Of The Priesthood In Exodus 39 ; 29 ;... Leviticus 16 ; 4 And Revelation 16 ; 4 , This Is The Dress That Is Referred To In The Book Of
Isaiah 52 ; 1 ;...As The '' Beautiful Garments '' And The Strength Of Zion ;...
Ques ; Since It Was A Known Fact That Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ Was A Jew
John 4 ; 9 Did He Wear A Tallit ? ...Ans ; According To The Jewish Laws , In Which Your '' El's Holy Torah '' Says That Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ Was A Jew He Had To Have Followed The Judaic Laws Which Is To Wear A Tallit . The Tallit , Which Is A Prayer Shawl , Is Usually Worn By The Distinguished Rabbis And Scholars In Which You Say Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ Was A Rabbi Because Your '' Holy '' Bible In John 20 ; 16 ;.. Refers To Him As Rabboni Which Means The Same Thing As The Word Rabbi In Matthew 23; 7 - 8 ... And I Quote '' And Greeting In The Markets And To Be Called Of Men . Rabbi Rabbi . But Be Not Ye Called Rabbi ; For One Is Your Master , Even Christ , And All Ye Are Brethren ''
John 20 ; 16 ;... Jesus Saith Unto Her , Mary , She Turned Herself , And Saith Unto
Him Rabboni Which Is To Say Master '' < Originally The Word Tallit Meant '' Gown '' Or '' Cloak '' This Was A Rectangular Mantle That LQQked Like A Blanket And At The Four Corners Of The Tallit , Tassels Were Attached Fulfilling The Biblical Commandment Of Numbers 15 ; 38 - 41 ;...
Ques ; How Did Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ < Pray ? >
Ans ; Christian Will Not Know How To Answer This Question .
HowEver , According To Matthew 26 ; 39 Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ , Prayed The Way Moses Of 5,000 Years Ago Prayed In Numbers 20 ; 6 , He Fell On His Face
Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ Matthew 26; 39 ;....Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
Number 20 ; 6 ;....Moses and Aaron went from the assembly to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting and fell facedown, and the glory of the LORD appeared to them
This Was The Law That Was Given To Him From The Heavenly Father , This Is The Same Law That Abraham Followed ;... Like Abraham Did BeFore Moses
Abraham <> Genesis 17 ; 3 ;...Abram fell facedown, and God said to him,
Ezra Prayed With His Face To The Ground Nehemiah 8 ; 6 ;... Ezra praised the LORD , the great God; and all the people lifted their hands and responded, "Amen! Amen!" Then they bowed down and worshiped the LORD with their faces to the ground
The Way Elijah Did <> 1Kings 18 ; 42 ;....So Ahab went off to eat and drink, but Elijah climbed to the top of Carmel, bent down to the ground and put his face between his knees.
The Way Joshua Did <> Joshua 5 ; 14 ;.... And He Saith , Nay ; But As Captian Of The Host Of The Lord Am I Now Come And Joshua Fell On His Face To The Earth , And Did Worship And Said Unto Him What Saith My Lord Unto His Servant ''
< Is This How Your Ministers Teach You How To Ptay ? >
seer
March 28th 2004, 07:29 AM
Did Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ Observe The Sabbath As Commanded ?
First, going to the synagogue on the sabbath means nothing. But that was not your claim. You claimed that Christ taught to keep the sabbath. You have been exposed Ezraarah.
Ezraarah
March 28th 2004, 11:31 AM
Ezraarah, Paul was a passionate Pharisee who formally persecuted the church. He had been studying scriptue from a very young age and would've had plenty of the Old Testement memorized.
If you believe that he didn't get his OT scripture verses from memory and just brought in Greek Mythology as he was writign much of the NT, then you need to prove that claim.
You also need to prove your claim that Paul's letters where tampered with, espiecally since much of his teaching grated with some of the cultural norms.
Better Hurry And Read This little dee dee Like To Move What I Post Where It Can't Be Seen . The Truth Her Her Real Baby < Laughing >
Ques ; How Do Other Christian Scholars Feel About Saul , Shaool . Paul ?
Ans; The following are some of the Viewpointsby Famous Christian Scholars And Historians . Christian historian James Mackinon admits openly ; '' The train of thought is distinctively his own . Whether it is altogether in accord with the mind of Jesus is not so evident in spitie of his claim to direct revelation .. at the same time . Jesus conception of the law is hardly in Accordance with that of Paul In this respect Saul , Shaool , Paul . - claim that he received his gospel by Revelationfrom Christ is rather probematic . ''
Jame Mackinon states in his own words in the book titled Christ to Constantine as follows ; '' At his conversion he went away into Arabic ( Nabatae ) - apparently to think out the implication of his new faith , rather than to preach to Nabataeans . It Was only three years later that he went to Jerusalem to visit Peter and James , the Lord's brother , presumably to consult them on the tradition about Jesus .
The Encyclopedia Britannica , Inc by William Benton , Publisher , 1943 - 1973 A.D. Helen Hemingway Benton Publisher , 1973 - 1974 A.D. States ; Paul quickly saw the need to stay in a quiet and peaceful area where he could reflect over his new . position . Hence he went to the southern regions of Damascus ... the main problem facing him was to Interpret the law and teaching of Jesus in a New Form In The Light Of His Own Novel Experience ''.
The Encyclopedia Britannica describes the work of Paul ; '' One group among the writers , represented for example by W . Wrede . who were by no means opposed to Paul ,opine that Paul changed Christianity to such an extent that he has become it's second Founder , In reality he is the founder of that church Christianity which is totally different from the Christianity taught by Jesus . They say . follow Jesus or follow Paul , but both cannot be followed Simultaneously . So it is clear that Saul . Shaool , Paul , Teaching Were Not In Agreement With Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Or The Original Disciples Who Also questioned him about what hewas teaching . This is nothing I made up . Other Christian Scholars Who Took The Time To Study The Original Language That The Holy Bible Was Written In Also See Saul Shaool Paul's Discrepancies . I Worship On Elyon El , The Father Of Us All TheGod Of Jesus And I Follow The Messiah Yashua , Isa , Jesus And want to bring their teaching back to Its Pristine Purity As The TrueWords Of The Most High , The Highest On The Other Hand Those Who Are Followers Of Saul , Shaool , Paul Are Slowly Removing Yashua , Ha Mashiakh , Isa Al Masih , Jesus The Messiah '' Christ '' from the picture and replacing him him , his teaching , andhis way of life with Saul , Shaool , Paul ..For they know that they will not be included in the court as it states in Revelation 11 ; 1 - 2 ;...Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told: "Rise and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, 2 but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months. ... In the Book of James ( who was the oldest half - brother of Yashua , Isa , Jesus and his disciple Matthew 13 ; 55 ;... Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?
'' But wilt thou know , O vain man , that faith without works is dead ...
And Again In James 2 ; 26 ;...For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead. .... And Revelation 15 ; 3 Says ...And they sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, "Great and wonderful are thy deeds, O Lord God the Almighty! Just and true are thy ways, O King of the agesl ;.... This goes to show that the Angels of God ( Elohyeem ) recognize the works done by God ( Elohyeem ) , And if man is in the image of God ( Elohyeem ) as it states in Genesis 1 ; 27 , then should not hisworks be good also , Now if you read Romans 3 ; 27 - 30 it says ... ;... Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On the principle of works? No, but on the principle of faith. 28 For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since God is one; and he will justify the circumcised on the ground of their faith and the uncircumcised through their faith.
Now in order one breath Saul , Shaool , Paul . was saying all you need is faith yet in Roman 3 ; 31 ;.... Do we then make void the law through faith ? ( Theos Elohyeem ) forbid yea , we establish the law , ;... And to reinforce the words of Yashua , Isa , Jesus , In Matthew 19 ; 16 - 17 ( he made it all too clear what must bedone to receive Eternal Life ;... And behold, one came up to him, saying, "Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?" 17 And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments < Keep the commandments > Yet with all of these words that were written by men that walked with Yashua , Isa , Jesus ,
Saul Shaool , Paul is insistent on defying the Teaching of Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Saul , Shaool , Paul , Obviously Feels That Living By Faith Is Merely enough . HowEver , Thats Not What Yashua , Isa , Jesus Taught Who Is The Son Of God . Matthew 3 ; 17 ;.and lo, a voice from heaven, saying, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."
Word Of God John 1 ; 1 ;..... In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Then Who is Saul , Shaool , Paul , to go against what he taught and tell people that faith is Enough ? LQQk at what Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Said In Matthew 4;4
But he answer and said , it is written , Man shall not live by bread alone , but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God ( Theos , Elohyeem )
As states previously , it was Yashua , Isa , Jesus Who Said that he did not come to destroy thelaw or the prophet but to fulfill it in Matthew 5 ; 17 , As You Have Seen , Fulfill Means Perform The Law Do It Act Upon It , So According To Whose Teaching , Is Saul , Shaool , Paul Following ? So again , Saul ShaooL , Paul , Had No Intention Of Ever Following Or Teaching Or The ,Law Of Elyon El , The Most High God Of Israel , Who Gave The Laws To Mosheh , Musa , Moses NoWhere In The Scripture Does Yashua , Isa , Jesus Say That He Came To Abolish The Law , So Whose teaching is Saul Shaool , Paul .Propagating ?Exactly , Saul , Shaool , Paul , Was Propagting The Teaching Of The Anit - Christ , Saul , Shaool . Paul Deviated People Towards Lawlessness , Through His Strange Philosophy That The Observance Of The Law Promotes Sin . This Was Simply A Means For His Innovation Regarding The Abolishment Of The Law Of The Holy Torah . But You Must Remember The Christ Testament Wasn't Written Until The Year 40 A.D. With The Book Of Matthew Way After Yashu'a Isa , Jesus Had Gone , So Yashua , Isa , Jesus Could Only Have Been Living By And Practicing The Law In The Holy Torah ... < As Always Don't Believe Me ReSearch Same ForYourSelf If It's Indeed You Are Really LQQking For The Truth >
seer
March 28th 2004, 12:29 PM
As states previously , it was Yashua , Isa , Jesus Who Said that he did not come to destroy the law or the prophet but to fulfill it in Matthew 5: 17
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, UNTIL all be fulfilled."
Correct, Christ fulfilled the law.
Lk.16:
"And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. The law and the prophets were UNTIL JOHN: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."
Acts 15:
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Why did James and Peter say that the gentiles did not need to keep the Mosaic law to be saved?
Jin-Roh
March 28th 2004, 07:53 PM
Better Hurry And Read This little dee dee Like To Move What I Post Where It Can't Be Seen . The Truth Her Her Real Baby < Laughing >
Ques ; How Do Other Christian Scholars Feel About Saul , Shaool . Paul ?
For The Truth >
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Okay Ez, I removed much of that post since you're still writing with diffrent rules of grammar than everybody else. Simply put, I couldn't understand what you were trying to communicate.
So far I *think* you're saying this:
1. Paul spent some time reflecting on the Torah in light of recent revelation.
2. Paul changed some of the teachings of Jesus by asserting what we call "sola fide" today.
3. Paul wanted to abolish the Torah.
I can only say that none of these support you initial claim, which was once again:
He didn’t get it from the scriptures of Old (the Torah) and there was no New Testament. Paul simply fabricated it from his Greek and Roman studies.
How long do you want to play this game Ez? It's getting a little old.
bhukkadakota
June 25th 2004, 04:47 AM
it must be an inconvienience to write the first letter in every word as a capital
Catatle
August 5th 2004, 07:43 AM
Pointing The Finger Isn't Going To Get You Into Heaven KNOWING WILL
Is this the traditional Muslim viewpoint? The news says Jihad, which sounds suspicious to me. I thought that faith (or works) are the keys to heaven.
Jude3b
August 7th 2004, 05:08 PM
Paul received his revelations from God the Holy Ghost, as the apostle Peter affirms, they "spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost" (2 Peter 1:21).
Paul himself was specially inspired by the Spirit, for Jesus called him on the road to Damascus. Peter refers to the epistles of Paul and classes them with "the other Scriptures" (2 Peter 3:15, 16).
The Bible emerges from every legitimate test, external and internal, with its glories undimmed, and bearing every evidence that it is indeed the Word of God. And since it is clearly proved to be the divine Word, its absolute authority is forever settled.
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