Support the troops and inane thinking of the right

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't get it. I keep on hearing how we are supposed to support our troops. In time of war, wouldn't supporting our troops mean actually going to war and risking your own life besides them, not waving a flag in the safety of your front yard, 5000 miles from danger, chanting U.S.A.?

After war, you support the troops by not holding them accountable for the decisions of their idiotic generals.

That supporting soldiers!

[Hitch]

You know not of what you speak Jimmy.

[$cirisme]

Having had many family members in the military, and being a military brat, I know the moral support is good for the morale of the troops. :thumb:

[spl_cadet]

If I could, I would be there. I'd like nothing better than to grab a rifle and fight alongside our Marines.

[Jimmy Higgins]

Today @ 11:13 AM located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=42930#post42930)
cirisme:

Having had many family members in the military, and being a military brat, I know the moral support is good for the morale of the troops. :thumb: So that's why we lost Vietnam. It wasn't because we had no business being there, there wasn't moral support back home for the killing of tens of thousands of people, both American and Vietnamese. I get it. You continue waving your flag, unless of course, you've already served the US. But if not, perhaps you should put your life where your mouth is and fight beside those you say to support.

[Hitch]

Somebody get this kid a kleenex.

[spl_cadet]

Today @ 06:43 PM located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=43275#post43275)
Jimmy Higgins:

So that's why we lost Vietnam. It wasn't because we had no business being there, there wasn't moral support back home for the killing of tens of thousands of people, both American and Vietnamese. I get it. You continue waving your flag, unless of course, you've already served the US. But if not, perhaps you should put your life where your mouth is and fight beside those you say to support.

The reason we lost Viet Nam wasn't because of any lack of business there or lack of support at home, but rather because our troops weren't allowed to actually fight the war. Check out Johnson's micromanaging and the absurd restrictions placed on where we could bomb and such forth.

[Epoetker]

I'll lead the charge for all pro-war noncombatants to join the army if you lead all anti-warniks to refuse to pay the taxes to support them (contra Thoreau) and thus end up in prison. Taking it?

[Alden]

Today @ 08:10 PM located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=43360#post43360)
Hitch:

Somebody get this kid a kleenex.



:rofl:

[Mr Stick71]

Epoetker, rock on!

I'd like to hear an explanation on how we can oust Saddam withou the military, while you are at it Jimmy.

Aaron

[Woman]

Hey Jimmy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!















shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :nc:

[Rubia Warren]

Yesterday @ 11:14 PM located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=43366#post43366)
Epoetker:

I'll lead the charge for all pro-war noncombatants to join the army if you lead all anti-warniks to refuse to pay the taxes to support them (contra Thoreau) and thus end up in prison. Taking it?

Hey, that's a good idea.

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yesterday @ 11:14 PM located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=43366#post43366)
Epoetker:

I'll lead the charge for all pro-war noncombatants to join the army if you lead all anti-warniks to refuse to pay the taxes to support them (contra Thoreau) and thus end up in prison. Taking it? Actually, I'd rather have that $80 Billion go towards promoting hybrid technology and cutting American need of oil for cars by atleast 40%. I don't mind paying taxes, just as long as we get something out of it.

[Epoetker]

Bad Higgins! You ignore one of the finest voices in American history when it comes to this! Typical Skeptical provincialist...

From Henry David Thoreau's Civil Disobedience:

Under a government which imprisons unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. It is there that the fugitive slave, and the Mexican prisoner on parole, and the Indian come to plead the wrongs of his race should find them; on that separate, but more free and honorable, ground, where the State places those who are not with her, but against her,—the only house in a slave State in which a free man can abide with honor. If any think that their influence would be lost there, and their voices no longer afflict the ear of the State, that they would not be as an enemy within its walls, they do not know by how much truth is stronger than error, nor how much more eloquently and effectively he can combat injustice who has experienced a little in his own person. Cast your whole vote, not a strip of paper merely, but your whole influence. A minority is powerless while it conforms to the majority; it is not even a minority then; but it is irresistible when it clogs by its whole weight. If the alternative is to keep all just men in prison, or give up war and slavery, the State will not hesitate which to choose. If a thousand men were not to pay their tax-bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood. This is, in fact, the definition of a peaceable revolution, if any such is possible. If the tax-gatherer, or any other public officer, asks me, as one has done, "But what shall I do?" my answer is, "If you really wish to do anything, resign your office." When the subject has refused allegiance, and the officer has resigned his office, then the revolution is accomplished. But even suppose blood should flow. Is there not a sort of blood shed when the conscience is wounded? Through this wound a man’s real manhood and immortality flow out, and he bleeds to an everlasting death.

Sidenote: I'm doing most of the the heavy link-lifiting and heavy Vrok responding here, and my referrals are still zero? Come on, neo-and-other-cons, give me SOME credit here. Don't make me go back to my old practices:cir:

[Jimmy Higgins]

Today @ 09:40 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=44108#post44108)
Epoetker:

Bad Higgins! You ignore one of the finest voices in American history when it comes to this! Typical Skeptical provincialist...You're joking right? Thoreau was a pretty smart person, however, he lacked in the real world skills department.

Being against this intrusion does not need to make me be part of the Thoreau camp. I am aware of Thoreau and the Mexican War, which itself was an absolute travesty where we stole half of Mexico. I tell the government how to spend by how I vote. Besides, taxation is how I'm paid, so taxes can't be all bad.

[Epoetker]

You're joking right? Thoreau was a pretty smart person, however, he lacked in the real world skills department.

I'm not so sure he lacked any skill but wide-ranging persuasion. Just because it took a while for MLK and Gahndi to coin the term doesn't mean he wasn't on the correct track.


Being against this intrusion does not need to make me be part of the Thoreau camp. I am aware of Thoreau and the Mexican War, which itself was an absolute travesty where we stole half of Mexico. I tell the government how to spend by how I vote. Besides, taxation is how I'm paid, so taxes can't be all bad.

If the tax-gatherer, or any other public officer, asks me, as one has done, "But what shall I do?" my answer is, "If you really wish to do anything, resign your office."

If you could do so, and convince others to do otherwise, wouldn't that just be like a marvelous way to protest, far better than any whiny remarks about chicken hawks you make here? I'm telling YOU not to be a chicken-dove!:whip: Or are you just afraid that "I protected Saddam" might not look so good on your precious resume or pop-up ridden website? Put your future where your mouth is, like you're trying to get the rest of us to do!:rant: