JCA
March 30th 2004, 06:55 PM
It's sort of been bothering me for a while, and I wanted to get it off my chest, and see if I can get a good answer for it.
What "it" is, is that I am not sure how we get to say that we uunderstand the meanings of some of the words in the Bible, almost 2000 years after; and in some cases much older.
As an example of how quickly word meanings can change depending on societal issues, I would like to use the word "gay". I don't want a homosexual discussion.. this is purely about word transitions..
Here is what people see today when looking the word up in dictionaries:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gay
gay
adj. gay·er, gay·est
1) Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
2) Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.
3) Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.
4) Given to social pleasures.
5) Dissolute; licentious.
n.
1) A person whose sexual orientation is to persons of the same sex.
2) A man whose sexual orientation is to men: an alliance of gays and lesbians.
[Middle English gai, lighthearted, brightly colored, from Old French, possibly of Germanic origin.]
gayness n.
Usage Note: The word gay is now standard in its use to refer to homosexuals, in large part because it is the term that most gay people prefer in referring to themselves. Gay is distinguished from homosexual primarily by the emphasis it places on the cultural and social aspects of homosexuality as opposed to sexual practice. Many writers reserve gay for males, but the word is also used to refer to both sexes; when the intended meaning is not clear in the context, the phrase gay and lesbian may be used. Like the other names of social groups derived from adjectives (for example, Black), gay may be regarded as offensive when used as a noun to refer to particular individuals, as in There were two gays on the panel; here phrasing such as gay members should be used instead. But there is no objection to the use of the noun in the plural to refer collectively either to gay men or to gay men and lesbians, so long as it is clear whether men alone or both men and women are being discussed. See Usage Note at homosexual.
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition - Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Please notice how in just under 40 years, the major connotation of this word has changed.. drastically. I would suspect that in another 40 years, the memory that 'gay' also meant a cheerful disposition, will also be gone. How well documented do you think such changes are today? How many people will remember? Now put that into context of 3000 years ago, or 2000, or even 1500..
How do we know, NOW, that we are making better translations, when we have no 'real' way to verify what a word could possibly have meant to everyone, so long ago?? No matter how many copies of what original texts we have, we still can't be sure.. can we?
What do you think?
Love and Peace
:jca:
What "it" is, is that I am not sure how we get to say that we uunderstand the meanings of some of the words in the Bible, almost 2000 years after; and in some cases much older.
As an example of how quickly word meanings can change depending on societal issues, I would like to use the word "gay". I don't want a homosexual discussion.. this is purely about word transitions..
Here is what people see today when looking the word up in dictionaries:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gay
gay
adj. gay·er, gay·est
1) Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
2) Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.
3) Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.
4) Given to social pleasures.
5) Dissolute; licentious.
n.
1) A person whose sexual orientation is to persons of the same sex.
2) A man whose sexual orientation is to men: an alliance of gays and lesbians.
[Middle English gai, lighthearted, brightly colored, from Old French, possibly of Germanic origin.]
gayness n.
Usage Note: The word gay is now standard in its use to refer to homosexuals, in large part because it is the term that most gay people prefer in referring to themselves. Gay is distinguished from homosexual primarily by the emphasis it places on the cultural and social aspects of homosexuality as opposed to sexual practice. Many writers reserve gay for males, but the word is also used to refer to both sexes; when the intended meaning is not clear in the context, the phrase gay and lesbian may be used. Like the other names of social groups derived from adjectives (for example, Black), gay may be regarded as offensive when used as a noun to refer to particular individuals, as in There were two gays on the panel; here phrasing such as gay members should be used instead. But there is no objection to the use of the noun in the plural to refer collectively either to gay men or to gay men and lesbians, so long as it is clear whether men alone or both men and women are being discussed. See Usage Note at homosexual.
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition - Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Please notice how in just under 40 years, the major connotation of this word has changed.. drastically. I would suspect that in another 40 years, the memory that 'gay' also meant a cheerful disposition, will also be gone. How well documented do you think such changes are today? How many people will remember? Now put that into context of 3000 years ago, or 2000, or even 1500..
How do we know, NOW, that we are making better translations, when we have no 'real' way to verify what a word could possibly have meant to everyone, so long ago?? No matter how many copies of what original texts we have, we still can't be sure.. can we?
What do you think?
Love and Peace
:jca: