I Just Noticed...

[John Reece]

The English Standard Version rendered απ αρτι accurately in Matthew 26:64 (unlike the KJV, the RSV, the NASB, and the NIV, et alia) .

Matthew 26
64 Jesus said to him, "You have said so. But I tell you, from now on (απ αρτι) you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven." (ESV)

In that reply to the high priest, Jesus indicated the time of fulfillment of Psalm 110:1 and Daniel 7:13, which is the reason for the other-than-accurate renderings of απ αρτι in most modern versions of Matthew 26:64.

Another :thumb: for the ESV.

[Jaltus]

Ha, I gave that verse on a quiz in my Greek class, but I took the Markan parallel since it drops the tricky phrase.

[dizzle]

That verse is devasting...

[Ishmael]

what is "devasting"?

[Jaltus]

It takes its vastness off when relatives are visiting.

[GrayPilgrim]

:huh:

[dizzle]

Well for starters, it was something the then-living Hight Priest was to see from then on.... Christ's rule and "coming." Now I ask anyone who believes this is referring to the Final Advent. How can Christ be seated at the right hand of the Father and coming at the same time?

[Ric]

ESV :thumb:

[Jaltus]

I think the word she was looking for was devastating.

Devasting is not a word.

Poor DDW, she does not even know when she is being picked on.

:no:

[dizzle]

Be a good pet Jaltus and go and run on a wheel or something.

[Sher]

03-24-2003 @ 10:28 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=44192#post44192)
Jaltus:

It takes its vastness off when relatives are visiting. :rofl:

[quetzalphoenix]

03-25-2003 @ 04:43 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=44217#post44217)
Dee Dee Warren:

Well for starters, it was something the then-living Hight Priest was to see from then on.... Christ's rule and "coming." Now I ask anyone who believes this is referring to the Final Advent. How can Christ be seated at the right hand of the Father and coming at the same time?

How do you interpret the tenses in this verse, then...how does one see Christ coming in a continual manner? (If I am interpreting your interpretation right...) I'd be interested to look at the difference (if any) between the MT and LXX. My Greek NT has "erkomenon" and the LXX "erketo" Is there a reason for the shift?

Maybe I'm just confused...:huh:

[John Reece]

Today @ 06:54 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=72826#post72826)
quetzalphoenix:

How do you interpret the tenses in this verse, then...how does one see Christ coming in a continual manner? (If I am interpreting your interpretation right...) I'd be interested to look at the difference (if any) between the MT and LXX. My Greek NT has erkomenon; and the LXX erketo; Is there a reason for the shift?

Maybe I'm just confused...:huh:

quetzalphoenix,

I’m not answering for Dee Dee. Hopefully we will hear from her re what she wrote and your question as directed to her.

I’d like to hear from you more about the point you are trying to make re verb “tenses”.

I’m using Brenton’s LXX, which does not have erketo in Daniel 7:13, but rather erchomenos, which perfectly matches Matthew 26:64 re any time-related considerations.

Furthermore, the editors of the Nestle-Aland text indicate that Matthew 26:64 quotes Daniel 7:13.

I don’t know if those facts relate to the point of your question, which I do not understand. But they do come to my mind in response to your question.

Blessings,

John